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At age 40, how much should the average person have in their retirement account?

out4fun

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The idea of running up a LOC and then kicking the bucket is laughable.

1. Any LOC with a high limit needs to be a SECURED LOC. Like secured against an asset (like a house or company). If you default, they take your house. If you die, your house gets sold and secured creditors get paid first.

So good luck with the "screw the bank plan"


2. An unsecured LOC will have a very small limit (in comparison to to secured LOC). Good luck living off of that. And when you die, they still want the money and will go after your estate for it (and get it).

So again, good luck with the "screw the bank plan"
Six figure unsecured LOC's are not hard to come by - I have one, never used it. It's also very easy to rack up six figure unsecured credit card debt. If your whole plan revolves around screwing lenders, it is very possible to do. Wouldn't be my choice, but its a possibility.
 

afterhours

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I don't think the latter years for most of us is going to be very pleasant if we stay in North America. The best thing for you to do is to move to a 3rd world country where living is cheap and the weather is good. On that $200k that you've saved up so far, you can live well.
Where on earth can you live well on $200k? It amounts to what, 10k yearly income?
 

blackrock13

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Six figure unsecured LOC's are not hard to come by - I have one, never used it. It's also very easy to rack up six figure unsecured credit card debt. If your whole plan revolves around screwing lenders, it is very possible to do. Wouldn't be my choice, but its a possibility.
Six figures is a big playing field and according to some big spenders on this BB, maybe a years salary for many, but as pointed out the banks will inevitable get their legal pound of flesh without breaking a sweat. Having had to be an executor for too many estates, it's plain and simple. You can keep it most of itaway from the government hands, but the banks will get theirs.
 

afterhours

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Philippines. Probably a few other developing countries. Not Canada though!
Assuming that living well means at a minimum access to SPs, Internet connection and having a maid and a cook, how much does that cost?
Plus traveling once a year which is another three grand or so
( a guarded condo is a pretty much given I guess, unless you want to risk SPs and their boyfriends stabbing you for a couple of bucks)
 

afterhours

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Six figures is a big playing field and according to some big spenders on this BB, maybe a years salary for many, but as pointed out the banks will inevitable get their legal pound of flesh without breaking a sweat. Having had to be an executor for too many estates, it's plain and simple. You can keep it most of itaway from the government hands, but the banks will get theirs.
i can see how the banks gonna get fuck all, the problem is that six figures is hardly enough to retire
 

blackrock13

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i can('t) see how the banks gonna get fuck all, the problem is that six figures is hardly enough to retire
I don't know for sure, but if you were 'really' lazy, laddering a few bonds and setting up some Grade A Dividends holding with $900,000 could give you pretty good return, unless you hobby like a fiend until you're 90. A $100,000, not so much. I haven't looked at the magic clawback figures for Canada's OAS and GIS in a long time, but don't depend on them as the country may not be able to afford them for you by the time you retire.
 

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2. An unsecured LOC will have a very small limit (in comparison to to secured LOC). Good luck living off of that. And when you die, they still want the money and will go after your estate for it (and get it).

So again, good luck with the "screw the bank plan"
But - as I understand it - the original premise is to die w/no assets and have large debt, so if that were true there wouldn't be any estate assets for the bank to go after no?
 

afterhours

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I don't know for sure, but if you were 'really' lazy, laddering a few bonds and setting up some Grade A Dividends holding with $900,000 could give you pretty good return, unless you hobby like a fiend until you're 90. A $100,000, not so much.
And that is why you can get 100k unsecured but not 900k
 

hinz

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But - as I understand it - the original premise is to die w/no assets and have large debt, so if that were true there wouldn't be any estate assets for the bank to go after no?
Maybe this could be a deterrent for anybody who dare to "screw" the banks by committing fraud. No? :eek:
 

hinz

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Six figure unsecured LOC's are not hard to come by - I have one, never used it. It's also very easy to rack up six figure unsecured credit card debt. If your whole plan revolves around screwing lenders, it is very possible to do. Wouldn't be my choice, but its a possibility.
Was offered one (almost six figures) but declined this "perk" right the way.

Didn't see the urge to help somebody to meet sales targets and hmm...bonus. :rolleyes:
 

poorboy

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Back to the original question, what can I do to increase my retirement savings as I apparently need at least a million? What else should I be doing?
 

hinz

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Back to the original question, what can I do to increase my retirement savings as I apparently need at least a million? What else should I be doing?
As mentioned before, keep up your good habits and more importantly pay off your mortgage as your first priority.

Nothing matters when you have big outstanding debts like the mortgages. Debt is a four letter word, just like the four letter F-word. LOL
 

afterhours

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Maybe this could be a deterrent for anybody who dare to "screw" the banks by committing fraud. No? :eek:
That was a good read. Speaks volumes about Anglo Saxon civilization.
 

theycallmebruce

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Back to the original question, what can I do to increase my retirement savings as I apparently need at least a million? What else should I be doing?
Poorboy, you should seek out a financial planner. If you are interested in seeing mine, send me a PM. No obligation, but he will give you some sound advice.

bruce
 

poorboy

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Thanks for the offer, but I live in B.C. Might be a bit difficult to deal with him.
 

rld

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Has anyone here ever read a full LOC agreement.

Does NB really think that banks have the same lending policies for people of all ages?

I am not surprised at this, he probably thinks the banks are run by the jews he despises.

And as to the original question, a number of bank websites have calculators where you give them a bunch of info and they give you some targets for retirement savings. My accountant does it for me.
 

blackrock13

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Has anyone here ever read a full LOC agreement.

Does NB really think that banks have the same lending policies for people of all ages?

I am not surprised at this, he probably thinks the banks are run by the jews he despises.

And as to the original question, a number of bank websites have calculators where you give them a bunch of info and they give you some targets for retirement savings. My accountant does it for me.
They aren't? The next thing you'll tell me they are the best tailors

Hehe!
 
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