Their last five games produced three shut out losses to Buffalo, Boston, and Washington. They then beat Atlanda but last night suffered another lopsided defeat in the hands of Carolina. This is bad time to slump just a few weeks before playoffs start while Buffalo and NY Rangers are seeking to surpass Montreal. May be our Tiffany darling can save her favorite team eh??? LOL.
What Is Up With These Montreal Canadiens???
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How long did you think Price was going to carry them for?
You are aware that their top 3 defenders are hurt right?
You are aware that their top 3 defenders are hurt right?
It has been said many times before that hockey is a team sport. The best way to win is via a team effort, not via a few individuals. Injuries??? The team should suck it up, step up, and play to win. Lack of passion, heart, the will and effort to win = they will not do well.
LOL!!! You can pray to the hockey gods and hope they agree with you.It would be great if the sabres and canies had the same slump.
Leafs for ever!
You are delusional. You can't make chicken salad out of chicken sh@t.
Last night's D-men: Gill...20:53
Hamrlik..21:09
Subban..23:48
Wisnieski..24:01
Mara
Sopel
That defense is not going to win many games in the NHL, period.
Delusional??? LMAO!!! Only God knows. If you can get the secret formula from the hockey gods, bet you can make chicken salad out of chicken sh@t.
Of course, no defense alone will win you many games in any hockey sport. Look at how the Sabres beat the well rested Rangers last night, you have an example of how playing as a team wins games for you. Are the Sabres defense corp any better than the Canadiens on paper??? They had an AHL goalie in net too. LOL!!!
sabres1 rangers 0 / caines 6 le canadians2
There is no hockey gods lol
Maybe I should pray to George Carlin lol
If George Carlin can make the Leafs go to playoffs this season, by all means pray to him. LOL!!!
I am not disputing your claims but can you give me a reference to the draft rules back in the 70's? I can only recall Guy Lafleur as the only #1 pick Montreal got in the 70's. Which other elite Quebec born players did montreal drafted in the top 5 in the 70's?
Exactly, and the Lafleur pick was obtained in a trade with the California golden Seals.
The amateur draft came into effect in 1963 and there were no exceptions. Every team drafted according to their position in the standings the year before.
And St.Louis Hammered Detroit, is that a good example too. I think not.Delusional??? LMAO!!! Only God knows. If you can get the secret formula from the hockey gods, bet you can make chicken salad out of chicken sh@t.
. Look at how the Sabres beat the well rested Rangers last night, you have an example of how playing as a team wins games for you. Are the Sabres defense corp any better than the Canadiens on paper??? They had an AHL goalie in net too. LOL!!!
It's only one f..ing game.
Les Habs have been getting out played for most of the season but Price has been the difference.
Now the trolls are out now that they are losing?
Montreal Canadiens draft picks through the years. http://www.hockeydb.com/ihdb/draft/teams/dr00006929.html
Actually, I don't remember all the details, but I seem to recall that for a while they got to snap up any two players out of Quebec before anybody else got a shot at them.
I'm pretty sure the last two they got this way were Rejean Houle and Marc Tardif. Don't know the time frame of this arrangement or who else they got this way but Lafleur was not one of them.
Addendum: I looked up Marc Tardif and found that Houle and Tardif were selected #'s 1 and 2 overall in the '69 draft by Montreal which helps to confirm my recollection. It would seem that arrangement in the late 60's would help stock a team for an extended run in the 70's. Since the playing field has been levelled Montreal has had some winning teams but no more extended runs/dynasties.
Shack, you are right but in the 60's and not 70's
"When the NHL instituted the NHL Amateur Draft in 1963, the Canadiens were given the option to replace their regular first selection with two "Cultural Picks" that could be used to draft up to two French-Canadian players before any other team made any selections. The team used one cultural pick in 1968, and both in 1969, when it drafted Rejean Houle and Marc Tardif, two top prospects. This option was eliminated after the 1969 draft."
The third player being Michel Plasse.
However, when Mtl won their four Stanley Cups in the late 70's, only Houle was part of the team(for 3 of the 4 cups) and he did not have team changing stats. Hence, I believe your theory fails. It's not those 3 players that made Montreal Dynasties.
"When the NHL instituted the NHL Amateur Draft in 1963, the Canadiens were given the option to replace their regular first selection with two "Cultural Picks" that could be used to draft up to two French-Canadian players before any other team made any selections. The team used one cultural pick in 1968, and both in 1969, when it drafted Rejean Houle and Marc Tardif, two top prospects. This option was eliminated after the 1969 draft."
The third player being Michel Plasse.
However, when Mtl won their four Stanley Cups in the late 70's, only Houle was part of the team(for 3 of the 4 cups) and he did not have team changing stats. Hence, I believe your theory fails. It's not those 3 players that made Montreal Dynasties.
Not true. It was not the draft "privileges" that existed for a handful of years that built the Canadiens 1970's dynasty or the success in the original six. It had nothing to do with their dynasties to be quite frank. The importance of these privileges in the success of Montreal is an urban myth perpetuated by jealous Leafs fans.
Yes Montreal had rights to all players in the 50 mile range, but these same rights existed for the Leafs through the Original Six Era. This certainly helped Montreal, and is a factor no longer available to them - if you want to point to something that has hurt them that is it. But that is nothing that was not available to Toronto either,
For players outside the 50 mile range, they were free to sign with anybody. Montreal was able to get talent from the province with them, but any team in the league could have signed them at a young age, and assigned them to a junior team they sponsored. That was the way it worked.
The draft loophole you referred to was a short period, for which there was little talent available in the draft anyway, because teams had already claimed young talent and placed them on their junior teams. Look at the 63-69 drafts... little talent, little benefit to Montreal or any team. This is because it overlapped with the sponsorship era. Do you ever wonder why Bobby Orr was never drafted, despite the fact that he was only 15 years old when the NHL draft started? Its because he had already had his NHL rights acquired.
The only player of any merit Montreal acquired this way for their 70's Dynasty was Rejean Houle. Are you going to say Rejean Houle was the reason the Habs had dynasties? And since the draft only started in 1963 (when teams were actually choosing not to make picks) I think its hard to connect it to the original six era, don't you think?
The draft loophole is a convenient excuse created by Leafs fan years ago. Fact is it was born out of jealousy, because the city of Montreal was producing far better players then city of Toronto throughout that time, when both teams had the exact same advantage to build its teams.
Let's look at the players on who some consider the greatest team ever (the 77 Canadiens who were 60-8-12) and see how they acquired their players.
Guy Lafleur 136 points - 1971 #1 pick (LEGITIMATELY)
From Wiki: The Habs' astute General Manager, Sam Pollock, was keen to find a way to trade with the California Golden Seals to obtain their first round draft pick. He persuaded Seals owner Charlie Finley to trade the Seals' pick and François Lacombe in return for Montreal's first round pick and a veteran Ernie Hicke. It turned out to be one of the most lopsided deals in NHL history. However, during the 1970-71 season, the Los Angeles Kings were playing even more poorly than the hapless California Seals. The Kings were in danger of "beating" the Seals out for last place, and if this happened Pollock would lose his first overall pick. Pollock cleverly traded the aging but still valuable Ralph Backstrom to the Kings for two insignificant players. Backstrom's presence lifted the Kings out of last place, the Seals finished at the bottom, granting the Habs the first pick. Pollock hesitated between Lafleur and Marcel Dionne, but chose Lafleur with his overall no.1 pick
Steve Shutt, 60 goals, 1972, 4th overall pick
Larry Robinson, 85 points, 1971,2nd round pick
Guy Lapointe - Within 50 miles
Jacques Lemaire - Within 50 miles
Pete Mahovlich - Acquired as a stuggling 23 year old minor leaguer.
Doug Risebrough - 1974 1st Round
Yvan Cournoyer - Free Agent. (Sponsored - Any Team Could have Signed Him)
Yvon Lambert - Acquired from Detroit via Trade
Rejean Houle - Acquired 1st Overall in 1969 Draft (Via Loophole)
Mario Tremblay - 1974 1st Round
Serge Savard - From Montreal
Doug Jarvis - Drafted by Toronto in 1975 (Traded for Him)
Bob Gainey - 1973 1st Round
Murray Wilson - 1971 1st Round
Bill Nyrop - 1972 5th Round
Jim Roberts - Acqured from Minor Leagues in Mid 60's
Pierre Bouchard -1965 5th Overall
Ken Dryden - Acquired from Boston in Trade
The Core of the Team was built through great drafts in 1971-1975 and shrewd trades. This had nothing to do with draft loopholes. The next biggest factor was veteran players acquired with regional rights (Cournoyer, Lemaire, Savard) but the Leafs had the same opportunity at such an advantage. The 1970's dynasty had nothing to do with this draft loophole nor with the Habs superiority over the Leafs in the original six era While it did exist, it is a myth and incorrect to link it to the success, unless you consider Rejean Houle one of the all time greats.
At least it was a good try. It was also an interesting fact that most are not aware of.
I still think Houle and Tardif were with the '71 and '73 teams that won, which I consider part of the 70's dynasty.
