Another Bright Light in the US
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Good Speech... but a bunch of it was that he has ignorant pride, witch probably will hurt his argument.
imo
-Who cares if the congress forces people to use them. Its a good thing, and people love to save money.
-Who cares if China made them, regulate what your bringing in, and what is allowed to be sold in stores legally. Ignorant buyers and sloppy American customs import regulations and inspections are what killed your children, family and friends, not China.
-Who cares if its he thinks its against his constitutional rights.
-And who cares that Thomas Edison invented it, inventions are meant to be made better and improved, or we would still be in the stone-age.
imo
-Who cares if the congress forces people to use them. Its a good thing, and people love to save money.
-Who cares if China made them, regulate what your bringing in, and what is allowed to be sold in stores legally. Ignorant buyers and sloppy American customs import regulations and inspections are what killed your children, family and friends, not China.
-Who cares if its he thinks its against his constitutional rights.
-And who cares that Thomas Edison invented it, inventions are meant to be made better and improved, or we would still be in the stone-age.
Ya, but I think a ban is a little heavy handed. There are spots in my house I don't want to use CFLs. I might use LED, if they become available, and the spectrum gets a little better. It would be better to introduce an 'energy splurger' fee, and maybe start cranking up the price of electricity. I like a lot of CFLs because you can get MORE LIGHT for the same power, or even less power, but ultimately I think a ban is kind of strange.
All my lights are CFL or LEDs. The power outputs of the LEDs are getting better and the price is dropping. The bone headed opposition exhibited here is idiot NIH and not much more, but there's a lot of that going on. There another that i can't put my hands on of some talking head saying she bought a whole box of incandescent bulbs and gave to her son saying that the government had no right to tell them what to do.
As long as the money/good times last nutt bars like this won't change.
I hate CFLs. I'll start burning candles and using oil lamps before I convert to using CFLs.
LED's aren't as bad, though the light they produce looks odd in colour. I converted my exterior and interior Christmas bulbs to LED last year, and converted my exterior flood lighting front and back to LEDs this year, but for the interior of the house I like good old light bulbs and will buy the on the black market if need be.
LED's aren't as bad, though the light they produce looks odd in colour. I converted my exterior and interior Christmas bulbs to LED last year, and converted my exterior flood lighting front and back to LEDs this year, but for the interior of the house I like good old light bulbs and will buy the on the black market if need be.
Ok, you hate CFLs, but why you do would be something worth knowing. They are an in between step until LEDs take hold technically and price.
Very few people visiting my home know that many of the bulbs, floods and spots are LEDs. The only places for now that I have the CFLs are in the basement and main bathroom where instant on is not an important factor. As a matter of fact, the slow soft start of the CFLs is welcomed first thing in the morning.
I'm an american so my perspective may be different.
I don't like the government to come in and ban much of anything. The idea that CFL's are so much better/safer is also a bit of BS. When you break a CFL you are releasing mercury into the environment. In some locations in the states its enough to "officially" be considered a toxic spill. Its the same with hybrids and electric cars. Everyone forgets how much pollution is being caused by the production of the batteries and the hazardous materials used in building them. Commercials have people talking about how they don't burn fossil fuels in their electric cars. Most of the electricity in the states comes from coal burning plants! The plastic in electric cars comes from petroleum as well.
The government should just stay out of it. If CFL's are better, people will buy them and stop buying incandescents! If electric cars become a better deal than internal combustion engine cars then people will buy them! Every time the government steps in things usually go the wrong way or some other issue arises that wasn't expected. The "market" is like natural selection for products. When a new and better product comes along, then the old "bad" products will become obsolete! Government regulation is like someone trying to control natural selection in nature...it doesn't work!
I don't like the government to come in and ban much of anything. The idea that CFL's are so much better/safer is also a bit of BS. When you break a CFL you are releasing mercury into the environment. In some locations in the states its enough to "officially" be considered a toxic spill. Its the same with hybrids and electric cars. Everyone forgets how much pollution is being caused by the production of the batteries and the hazardous materials used in building them. Commercials have people talking about how they don't burn fossil fuels in their electric cars. Most of the electricity in the states comes from coal burning plants! The plastic in electric cars comes from petroleum as well.
The government should just stay out of it. If CFL's are better, people will buy them and stop buying incandescents! If electric cars become a better deal than internal combustion engine cars then people will buy them! Every time the government steps in things usually go the wrong way or some other issue arises that wasn't expected. The "market" is like natural selection for products. When a new and better product comes along, then the old "bad" products will become obsolete! Government regulation is like someone trying to control natural selection in nature...it doesn't work!
In my opinion, I think that the people who advocate CFL's overstate the energy benefits. In most of Canada, home heating is required for seven months (Sep 15 to Apr 15). For this time of the year, whatever excess energy is used by a light bulb, causes the heating system to stay off longer. So if you heat with electricity, there is no saving. If you heat with natural gas or propane, then the saving is only the incremental cost of electricity over gas.
From April 16 to Sep 14, the number of daylight hours is so great that light bulbs of any kind are hardly required.
From April 16 to Sep 14, the number of daylight hours is so great that light bulbs of any kind are hardly required.
Brilliant! Let's see how much power savings we get if we turned off all the lights! but still use all the other household appliances.
Light bulbs: 30 - 100 Watts
Toaster: 800 - 1500 Watts
Coffee Maker: 800 Watts
Microwave: 600 - 1500 Watts
Refrigerator (turned on 24/7): 500 Watts
Air Condition (for one room): 1000 Watts
Central Air Condition (for avg house): 2000 - 5000 Watts
Light bulbs: 30 - 100 Watts
Toaster: 800 - 1500 Watts
Coffee Maker: 800 Watts
Microwave: 600 - 1500 Watts
Refrigerator (turned on 24/7): 500 Watts
Air Condition (for one room): 1000 Watts
Central Air Condition (for avg house): 2000 - 5000 Watts
I don't of anyone who has broken a CFL, so try not to make it sound like daily occurrence. If you drop a pot of hot water you might get burn; same thinng.
Sometimes a government does have to tell you these things. Remember seat belts/headrests? No body with a brain is bitching about them today. CFLs are more efficient, but some people won't believe it even with the facts in front of them.
So again, Government laws telling you shouldn't drink and drive is a bad thing. It's got nothing to do with natural selection, especially if the drunk kills someone along the way. People still drive drunk.
You wouldn't mind offering references for your claims for your facts. We've had a rash of unsubstantiated claims appearing on these pages recently.
al I know is my electrical bill dropped about 10% and when the switchover occurred and as far as the price I'm guessing you need a brushing up on how the source and shop. The quality thing is something you'd better bone up on as well.
Hey, bringing fast food and formula restaurants menus in order is a good. I hope that day comes really soon, but one thing at a time.
If your invoice dropped 10 percent, you must be living in the dark http://www.peterboroughutilities.ca/Electric/Energy_Conservation/Electricity_Usage_in_the_Home.htm
A quick look at your recent posting history shows that your anti-cop, anti law& order, anti-vaccine, so it's not surprise your anti CFL. Do you know Markvee? If as you claim you're in the medical field, take a look at the lighting in hospitals and labs you spend time in. Do you think they would be so prevalent in them if they were that dangerous or inefficient.You are going to need a membership at IEEE and you will also need a good lantern. Shut off that crap CFL, you have a long night of reading ahead of you, good quality light will make it more pleasant.
http://www.concerninglight.com/2010-03_Final-Report_comprehensive.pdf
http://ieeexplore.ieee.org/Xplore/l...542677/4548013/04548067.pdf&authDecision=-203
http://www.horace.org/blog/2011/03/13/are-compact-fluorescent-lightbulbs-really-cheaper-over-time/
When you get into the IEEE site, you will find some really good information showing you how CFLS cost a lot to manufacture, dispose of and transport (they are heavy and they are bigger). They will save you and I nothing, and they may cost us our eyesight and worse our health and our childrens health. All in the name of lets save some money (and quietly ruin the environment some more).
Do you have a microwave? You shouldn'tWhen you measure what leaks out of that its amazing more people are not cooked - or maybe they are, they just don't know it.
Of the three references you offer, one needs registration so i'll pass, the second is full of information that any informed buyer, professional or consumer should already know so take into consideration and therefore big deal, and the third is 50+ pages which would require a long careful read, but my tertiary look brings out the message that little/not enough is known for sure and more research is needed. Definitely not the idea of certainty that you present.
When they start bringing forth that CFLs weigh more, so cost more to transport, they're really reaching for material to support their position. I'll let the shipping and receiving pros on this BB fill you in on that one. In every point they raise it all has to be taken in with a sense of scale in mind.
Of course you know I meant 10% of the variable costs. There's not much I can do about the fixed cost. Even if I could cut usage in half, I'd only reduce the total cost by ~20%.
You must be making a lot of porn to use that amount of electricity for lighting.
If you are typical, according to the link I provided, and do not heat your home with electricity, then approximately eleven percent of your consumption is for lighting.
To reduce the total consumption by ten percent through lighting only, you would have to cut the lighting portion to one percent of the total. CFL's are advertised to consume about 25 percent of the energy of an incandescent bulb.
If by good speech you mean the typical political bullshit, then yeah. Too bad he didn't implicate Congress another two dozen times. "They should have called it the anti-American (nice drop) non-energy bill!" I was dying for him to smash that lightbulb so they could all die of mercury poisoning. Would really have driven his point home and it's probably the most important thing he'll ever do in office.
Did you actually think that through? The majority of us don't have just one or two lights in our house.
Actually, regular bulbs haven't been banned. There are more efficient versions that still meet the requirements.
Well without going into a total usage profile, it worked. My usage/consumer profile has not been typical for a long time, so those studies seldom apply to me. Porn no, but claymation maybe. Replace a Parcan or similar bulb with an LED array and see how much that changes your bill 75 watts as compared to 2/4 watts.You must be making a lot of porn to use that amount of electricity for lighting.
If you are typical, according to the link I provided, and do not heat your home with electricity, then approximately eleven percent of your consumption is for lighting.
To reduce the total consumption by ten percent through lighting only, you would have to cut the lighting portion to one percent of the total. CFL's are advertised to consume about 25 percent of the energy of an incandescent bulb.
I look at CFLs now as a stop gap system and the LED's are progressing in leaps and bounds in consumption and lighting choices. the are plug and play systems that require no skill to get up and go. The price difference for bulbs can be as little as just twice as much for LED that traditional bulbs, but their life expectancy is way better than that, perhaps 5x. The math for the switch over has been done and it a good thing and getting better. Buy on sale, buy in bulk, and DIY. Neighbours talk, compare notes and they ask me how I do it. It's not rocket science. One other neighbour has done much the same and gets the similar results.
Maybe TVA does to help him keep a low profile while looking through his binoculars.
I will never use CFL bulbs.
Sorry.
I'd sooner they ban Air Conditioning than ban incandescent bulbs. I hate CFLs. They make me look green and I already look green enough on my own. They throw a cold light, they look like shit, and they give me a head ache just looking at them. I will hoard enough incandescent bulbs to last the rest of my life. Unless the bulb police start coming round (and then I won't be answering the door) I won't be switching. Ever.
Hell, I even have 3 carbon filiment bulbs in my house cause I like the light they throw and Carbon Filiments are basically toaster elements.
Ditto Xmas lights. I have enough C9 incandescent bulbs and strings to last the rest of my life.
I'm big on aesthetics and CFLs simply do not have the aesthetics.
Besides, bulbs use fuck all in terms of power.
Sorry.
I'd sooner they ban Air Conditioning than ban incandescent bulbs. I hate CFLs. They make me look green and I already look green enough on my own. They throw a cold light, they look like shit, and they give me a head ache just looking at them. I will hoard enough incandescent bulbs to last the rest of my life. Unless the bulb police start coming round (and then I won't be answering the door) I won't be switching. Ever.
Hell, I even have 3 carbon filiment bulbs in my house cause I like the light they throw and Carbon Filiments are basically toaster elements.
Ditto Xmas lights. I have enough C9 incandescent bulbs and strings to last the rest of my life.
I'm big on aesthetics and CFLs simply do not have the aesthetics.
Besides, bulbs use fuck all in terms of power.
