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This is pretty cool :p

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/02/21/national/main20034291.shtml

If some crazy guy decided to start shooting up my school I'd feel way safer with a handgun in my backpack

Texas is preparing to give college students and professors the right to carry guns on campus, adding momentum to a national campaign to open this part of society to firearms.

More than half the members of the Texas House have signed on as co-authors of a measure directing universities to allow concealed handguns. The Senate passed a similar bill in 2009 and is expected to do so again. Republican Gov. Rick Perry, who sometimes packs a pistol when he jogs, has said he's in favor of the idea.

Texas has become a prime battleground for the issue because of its gun culture and its size, with 38 public universities and more than 500,000 students. It would become the second state, following Utah, to pass such a broad-based law. Colorado gives colleges the option and several have allowed handguns.

Supporters of the legislation argue that gun violence on campuses, such as the mass shootings at Virginia Tech in 2007 and Northern Illinois in 2008, show that the best defense against a gunman is students who can shoot back.

"It's strictly a matter of self-defense," said Republican state Sen. Jeff Wentworth. "I don't ever want to see repeated on a Texas college campus what happened at Virginia Tech, where some deranged, suicidal madman goes into a building and is able to pick off totally defenseless kids like sitting ducks."

Until the Virginia Tech incident, the worst college shooting in U.S. history occurred at the University of Texas, when sniper Charles Whitman went to the top of the administration tower in 1966 and killed 16 people and wounded dozens. Last September, a University of Texas student fired several shots from an assault rifle before killing himself.

Similar firearms measures have been proposed in about a dozen other states, but all face strong opposition, especially from college leaders. In Oklahoma, all 25 public college and university presidents declared their opposition to a concealed carry proposal.

"There is no scenario where allowing concealed weapons on college campuses will do anything other than create a more dangerous environment for students, faculty, staff and visitors," Oklahoma Chancellor of Higher Education Glen Johnson said in January.

University of Texas President William Powers has opposed concealed handguns on campus, saying the mix of students, guns and campus parties is too volatile.

Guns occupy a special place in Texas culture. Politicians often tout owning a gun as essential to being Texan. Concealed handgun license holders are allowed to skip the metal detectors that scan Capitol visitors for guns, knives and other contraband.

Guns on campus bills have been rejected in 23 states since 2007, but gun control activists acknowledge it will be difficult to stop the Texas bill from passing this year. "Things do look bleak," said Colin Goddard, assistant director of federal legislation for the Brady Campaign Against Gun Violence, who was in Austin recently to lobby against the Texas bills.

Goddard was a student at Virginia Tech when he was shot four times in his French class. Student Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 people, including 10 in Goddard's classroom, before shooting himself. Goddard dismisses the idea that another student with a gun could have stopped the killer.

"People tell me that if they would have been there, they would have shot that guy. That offends me," Goddard said. "People want to be the hero, I understand that. They play video games and they think they understand the reality. It's nothing like that."

But Derek Titus, a senior at Texas A&M who has a state license to carry a concealed handgun, said someone with a gun that day could have improved the chances of survival.

"Gun-free zones are shooting galleries for the mass murderers," Titus said. "We do not feel that we must rely on the police or security forces to defend our lives."

Texas enacted its concealed handgun law in 1995, allowing people 21 or older to carry weapons if they pass a training course and a background check. The state had 461,724 license holders as of Dec. 31, according to the state Department of Public Safety.

Businesses, schools and churches can set rules banning guns on their premises. On college campuses, guns are prohibited in buildings, dorms and certain grounds around them.

Opponents of campus gun rights say students and faculty would live in fear of their classmates and colleagues, not knowing who might pull a gun over a poor grade, a broken romance or a drunken fraternity argument.

Frankie Shulkin, a first-year law student at the University of Texas, said he doesn't think he'd feel safer if other students in his classes had guns.

"If I was taking an exam and knew the person next to me had one, I don't know how comfortable I would feel," Shulkin said. "I am in favor of guns rights and your typical conservative guy, but the classroom thing bugs me."

Wentworth said he heard the "blood on the streets" warnings when Texas first passed the concealed handgun law. "They said we'd have shootouts at every intersection," he said. "None of that has happened."
 

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You tell em americanson.
The next time an ex-military trained sniper goes bonkers from 400 feet away, will he be in for a surprise when all them students pull out their popguns!....
 

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This is the important part:

Wentworth said he heard the "blood on the streets" warnings when Texas first passed the concealed handgun law. "They said we'd have shootouts at every intersection," he said. "None of that has happened."
I highly doubt if they allowed concealed handguns the universities would suddenly turn into shooting galleries
 

Phil C. McNasty

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You tell em americanson.
The next time an ex-military trained sniper goes bonkers from 400 feet away, will he be in for a surprise when all them students pull out their popguns!....
Nobody can know for sure.

But the odds sure as heck would be a lot worse if the entire campus was unarmed, dont you think??!
 

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This is the important part:



I highly doubt if they allowed concealed handguns the universities would suddenly turn into shooting galleries
Plus hard grading professors will fear for their lives.....
 

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Not what I meant Woodpecker (Should've specified that) I still think it's a good idea tho as it may deter the next Marc Lepine, (Gamal Gharbi) Or Virginia Tech.
So you just ignore the US trained ex-military sniper who goes bonkers???...

GI Rambo gets discharged due to untrearted PTSD, only to discover he lost his job because it was sent to RED China while he was overseas 'spreading freedom and democracy' for 4 deployments till he 'snapped' and he can't find another job, so he goes postal!
You know just like Timmy McVeigh did!

Glad to see you support our Vets!
 

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Texas set to allow guns on college campuses
Just another reason why America is for Americans…………….
Hopefully the US Senate will pass a law making it mandatory for every man, woman and child to carry a loaded, ready to shoot, gun. Wouldn’t that be fun, eventually they’ll shoot each other. Last man standing would be responsible for the trillion $$ debt.
 

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I wonder if it's a coincidence that military dictatorships don't allow citizens to have guns. (not really)
 

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Well, here's to higher learning.
 

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hahahah americans.... hahahahah bang bang....hahahahahhaha I LOVE CANADA.....
 

Phil C. McNasty

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I thought the most reputable statistics for whether citizens carrying guns reduces crime was that crime rates across the USA dropped, per capita, since the late 1970s. Within that overall drop, it dropped faster and more in states that either disallowed carrying guns or made getting one pretty tough
Bullshit AFA Washington DC is concerned, they banned guns outright and it never made a dent in the homicide-by-gun rate.
Nor did it make any dent in overall violent crime AFAIK
 

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Unbelievable! It's like putting a loaded gun in a room with kindergarden kids. Someone is going to get hurt (or killed)
 

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"Gun-free zones are shooting galleries for the mass murderers," Titus said. "We do not feel that we must rely on the police or security forces to defend our lives."
Yeah, that's why there are so many mass shootings in the US compared to other countries... America's overly restrictive gun laws. Damn those gun-free zones.:rolleyes:
 

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Yeah right!
Soon the new NRA slogan will be:

Sleep safe and sound with an Uzi under your pillow!....
 

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Oh, so guns stop crime, but guns don't kill people?

Actually I've never seen any compelling evidence that guns stop crime, nor do people with guns effectively stop crime either. The US has both more guns and more people in prison than most of the Western countries. Not a compelling story there!

Seems to me that there is a first mover advantage with guns--in most situations, whoever has the gun out first is going to win the gun fight, and generally the crooks are going to be the ones who have the element of surprise. Your average gun owner is no Clint Eastwood quick draw who can draw and fire accurately at a guy who already has the gun out and pointed.
 

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I think the combination of young people, alcohol and maybe even drugs has the potential for bad outcomes.

The other problem I have heard discussed in the campus shooting type cases occurs when LE arrives and many students who have heard the gunfire are running around with their handguns out and in the chaotic situation, both LE and all the armed students have trouble distinguishing between the threat and lawful gun carriers.

Don't see much practical upside in this one.
 

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I would have to agree with rld. If you come up against a cop and you have gun in your hand, you are a threat. Now I'm not anti gun. But there are certain un-written rules about guns in a public setting.
 

Phil C. McNasty

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Yeah right!
Soon the new NRA slogan will be:

Sleep safe and sound with an Uzi under your pillow!....
I would sleep safer that way, especially knowing criminals sleep safe with uzi's under their pillow
 

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Unbelievable! It's like putting a loaded gun in a room with kindergarden kids. Someone is going to get hurt (or killed)
don't worry. they still aren't allowed to run with scissors.
 
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