Buddy got charged in a spot check.

Bif_Butkiss

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We have another expert in the house, because a 'relative' of his went through this...
I would rather ask a person who had a family member go through this for their advice on what their family member did rather than ask some of the Sunday afternoon legal eagles here.
 

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I would rather ask a person who had a family member go through this for their advice on what their family member did rather than ask some of the Sunday afternoon legal eagles here.
Yeah, but I can think of at least one other "legal eagle" who has posted on this thread, who Monday through Friday probably goes for about $250 to $550 an hour... And while he is a service provider, it's not in the same fashion as can be found in another section of this forum.
So in those circumstances, BB, might as well take our advice when it is free.

And yes, refusing a breathalyzer test will nab you a solid criminal charge. Same with "Failing", hence, Fail/Refuse the charge reads. So don't get the bright idea of "Oh, I tried to blow into it, my lungs must not be strong enough."
 

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Much thanks to those who are contibuting to the thread...Some great info...


to the others..who post irrelevant stuff...fill your boots...but the name calling and jealousy is just that...IRRELEVANT to the thread!!
 

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and now.,..to bring the topic back on line..What would my Buddy have to pay a lawyer to represent him, while he remains 'innocent' until proven guilty!!!
Just grab your buddy a lawyer that wants to trade services for a condo rental. Cant go wrong.

And not for nothing but in this day and age if someone still gets behind the wheel of a car with even one drink in the last 2 hours he or she is a doucebag befitting the raping he or she will get in jail.
 

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There are very technical arguments that may be made depending on the circumstances of your case. If he was drinking with friends who can testify to how many drinks he had, that helps. If he has the bill from the bar, he should keep it. If not, he should go and try and get it before the bar wipes it from their records.
I certainly am not a lawyer, but even if he had a copy of the bar bill wouldn't the dialogue in court go something along these lines:

Defendant: I have a bar bill showing what I had to drink.

Crown: Okay, so you admit to having x amount of drinks, now can you prove that you didn't buy any drinks for cash, accept any drinks from someone else nor drank anywhere else during the time in question?

Defendent: Ummmm.... no.

Crown: Moving on.....
 

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Again, if your friend was convicted of drunk driving by a Canadian judge I have every confidence that he got a fair trail, and that he got what he deserved.
BUT YOU DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND what you read.... So I'll say it ONE MORE TIME.....Under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms a person accused of whatever "criminal offence" has the right to presumption of innocence UNTIL guilt is proven in a court of law.

What I have been posting about is PRIOR to any conviction being rendered by the court.

DID YOU GET IT THAT TIME?????.... The lights are on but no one's home!!!!! :p
 

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I certainly am not a lawyer, but even if he had a copy of the bar bill wouldn't the dialogue in court go something along these lines:

Defendant: I have a bar bill showing what I had to drink.

Crown: Okay, so you admit to having x amount of drinks, now can you prove that you didn't buy any drinks for cash, accept any drinks from someone else nor drank anywhere else during the time in question?

Defendent: Ummmm.... no.

Crown: Moving on.....
The bill itself is nothing but it could be a relevant component to a possible Carter defence along with witnesses and an expert toxicology report.

And this could be just part of the defence strategy along with potential improper procedures like a breath test within 15 minutes of the last drink.
Even if you fail the subsequent test, you wouldn't have even been there but for this improper procedure.

For a first offence with a marginally over reading and no accident and with a very good local lawyer who specializes is these cases and who knows the players and is known in the court, the chances are not as slim as some people claim.
It is certainly not routine to beat such a charge but it is hardly a rare event either.

You don't have to prove innocence and/or incompetence.
You just have to establish a plausible reasonable doubt or get the Crown to rather deal with easier fish to fry.
 

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Do we have a right to refuse a breathalyzer test ?
You do have the right to refuse. However are you willing to deal with the automatic consequences of refusing?
 

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The bill itself is nothing but it could be a relevant component to a possible Carter defence along with witnesses and an expert toxicology report.

And this could be just part of the defence strategy along with potential improper procedures like a breath test within 15 minutes of the last drink.
Even if you fail the subsequent test, you wouldn't have even been there but for this improper procedure.

For a first offence with a marginally over reading and no accident and with a very good local lawyer who specializes is these cases and who knows the players and is known in the court, the chances are not as slim as some people claim.
It is certainly not routine to beat such a charge but it is hardly a rare event either.

You don't have to prove innocence and/or incompetence.
You just have to establish a plausible reasonable doubt or get the Crown to rather deal with easier fish to fry.
I was waiting for a Carter defence post. Good luck with that.
 

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BUT YOU DON'T SEEM TO UNDERSTAND what you read.... So I'll say it ONE MORE TIME.....Under the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms a person accused of whatever "criminal offence" has the right to presumption of innocence UNTIL guilt is proven in a court of law.

What I have been posting about is PRIOR to any conviction being rendered by the court.

DID YOU GET IT THAT TIME?????.... The lights are on but no one's home!!!!! :p
Would you be citing the Charter if a drunk driver struck your vehicle, injured or killed someone close to you?
 

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He's probably looking at atleast $600 to cover a lawyer and it's unlikely he'll get the charged reduced significantly. Although, a slight reduction in the charge could pay dividends in insurance savings...
 

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So, if I'm understanding you correctly, if they only post what you want to hear, all is good. But if it's not, then they're ill-mannered, condescending, petulant and worthless.

Sure sounds like you're trying to control what's posted and where.

Must be my low self-esteem, eh?:rolleyes:
Bravo!
 
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