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National Bishop Friedrich Coch giving a Hitler greeting in Dresden, 10 December 1933

Dresden pastor Friedrich Coch is one of the leading men of the "German Christians" in Saxony. The NSDAP's Gau consultant for church matters since 1932, he is elected to the office of state bishop by the "Brown Synod" in August 1933.
Do you have any idea whereof you speak? The National Church was an attempt by the Nazi state to take over the German Reformed Church. Restrictions were placed on Reformed clergy. They had to be "politically reliable" and accept the superiority of the Aryan race. Jewish Christians were forced from the ministry. The Nazi "Führer Principle" a claim that Hitler was "lord" over the German church was forced on the "National Church."

To Claim that this attempt to co-opt the church in Germany makes Nazi Germany a Christian state is ludicrous
 

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Nope, they were just athiest who killed in the name of a political philosophy of which athiesm is an integral part.
You write as if Atheism is a philosophical belief. It is not. Trying to describe Atheism as a philosophy is nonesense. Believing there are no unicorns is not a basis for anything. The people that believe in a god are the ones that place significance on the non-belief in a god. Non-belief in something is not a philosophy.
The believers in unicorns place the same stigma on aunicornists. It really is silly.
 

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It by athiest state you mean a state made up by a majority of athiests, there is no such thing. Anywhere, ever.
A)Belief in a god
B)Belief in a spirit or life force
C)Belief in neither a spirit, god or life force↓


Lithuania 49% 36% 12%
Switzerland 48% 39% 9%
Germany 47% 25% 25%
Luxembourg 44% 28% 22%
Hungary 44% 31% 19%
Belgium 43% 29% 27%
Finland 41% 41% 16%
Bulgaria 40% 40% 13%
Iceland 38% 48% 11%
United Kingdom 38% 40% 20%
Latvia 37% 49% 10%
Slovenia 37% 46% 16%
France 34% 27% 33%
Netherlands 34% 37% 27%
Norway 32% 47% 17%
Denmark 31% 49% 19%
Sweden 23% 53% 23%
Czech Republic 19% 50% 30%
Estonia 16% 54% 26%


How about a retraction of the lie that most scientists are athiests?
"Our chosen group of "greater" scientists were members of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS). Our survey found near universal rejection of the transcendent by NAS natural scientists. Disbelief in God and immortality among NAS biological scientists was 65.2% and 69.0%, respectively, and among NAS physical scientists it was 79.0% and 76.3%. Most of the rest were agnostics on both issues, with few believers. We found the highest percentage of belief among NAS mathematicians (14.3% in God, 15.0% in immortality). Biological scientists had the lowest rate of belief (5.5% in God, 7.1% in immortality), with physicists and astronomers slightly higher (7.5% in God, 7.5% in immortality)."
How about an explanation for China and the USSR which were based on communism which holds athiesm as a central philosophy?
Atheism cannot be a 'philosophy'. It is like saying my philosophy is that I don't believe in wil-o-wisps. It is moot.
Shall I start posting articles about how the religious give more to charity and volunteer more in their community than the secular?
Yes please.

How about that data that the largest group of secularists tend to be male and much less married than their peers?
Cite source but who cares? "The analyses of the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Study 1) and the General Social Surveys (Study 2) show that adolescent and adult intelligence significantly increases adult liberalism, atheism..."
 

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A)Belief in a god
B)Belief in a spirit or life force
C)Belief in neither a spirit, god or life force↓


Lithuania 49% 36% 12%
Switzerland 48% 39% 9%
Germany 47% 25% 25%
Luxembourg 44% 28% 22%
Hungary 44% 31% 19%
Belgium 43% 29% 27%
Finland 41% 41% 16%
Bulgaria 40% 40% 13%
Iceland 38% 48% 11%
United Kingdom 38% 40% 20%
Latvia 37% 49% 10%
Slovenia 37% 46% 16%
France 34% 27% 33%
Netherlands 34% 37% 27%
Norway 32% 47% 17%
Denmark 31% 49% 19%
Sweden 23% 53% 23%
Czech Republic 19% 50% 30%
Estonia 16% 54% 26%


"Our chosen group of "greater" scientists were members of the National Academy of Sciences (NAS). Our survey found near universal rejection of the transcendent by NAS natural scientists. Disbelief in God and immortality among NAS biological scientists was 65.2% and 69.0%, respectively, and among NAS physical scientists it was 79.0% and 76.3%. Most of the rest were agnostics on both issues, with few believers. We found the highest percentage of belief among NAS mathematicians (14.3% in God, 15.0% in immortality). Biological scientists had the lowest rate of belief (5.5% in God, 7.1% in immortality), with physicists and astronomers slightly higher (7.5% in God, 7.5% in immortality)."

Atheism cannot be a 'philosophy'. It is like saying my philosophy is that I don't believe in wil-o-wisps. It is moot.
Yes please.

Cite source but who cares? "The analyses of the National Longitudinal Study of Adolescent Health (Study 1) and the General Social Surveys (Study 2) show that adolescent and adult intelligence significantly increases adult liberalism, atheism..."
Your data supports me. Which country do you suggest has an athiest majority? None of the ones you cite do.

Of course athiesm is a philosophy and I can tell you that your attempts to "define it down" are rejected by almost the entire athiest community, including the Four Horsemen, who argue that atheism and its extension secular humanism is able to give us guidance on how to live a good life or else it has no meaning.

Athiesm, is an essential element of communism. And, not surprisingly, you are missing the whole point of that part of the discussion. Canada-man wants to complain religion is bad, and causes bad events. The only comparitor group is athiests correct? Otherwise there is no one to compare to and you can't even have the discussion. I am pointing out that athiest based philosophies are just as capable of carrying out bad acts as religious groups.

Feel free to do your own research on charitable giving, but you will find, with perhaps a few minutes work, that not only do religious people give more to charity and do more volunteer work, that religious people give more to secular charities than secular people do!
 

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Americans United Applauds Decision Striking Down Ohio Judge’s Ten Commandments Display

A federal appeals court made the right call in requiring a state judge in Ohio to remove a Ten Commandments display from his courtroom, says Americans United for Separation of Church and State.

The 6th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled today that James DeWeese, a judge of the Richland County Court of Common Pleas, ran afoul of the Constitution when he put up a display entitled “Philosophies of Law in Conflict” that contrasted the “Moral Absolutes” of the Ten Commandments with the “Moral Relatives” of humanism.

“Judge DeWeese was improperly promoting his personal religious beliefs in his courtroom, and I’m glad the appeals court put a stop to it,” said the Rev. Barry W. Lynn, executive director of Americans United, which filed a friend-of-the-court brief in the case.

Added Lynn, “Our courts are supposed to provide equal justice for all, not promote religious law. Judges should never send the message that some religious traditions have a preferred place in the courtroom.”

The case goes back to 2000, when DeWeese hung a poster of the Ten Commandments opposite a poster of the Bill of Rights, presenting each as “the rule of law.” The American Civil Liberties Union of Ohio sued and won. In response, DeWeese created the new display. The ACLU sued over that as well.

Ruling in American Civil Liberties Union v. James DeWeese, the appeals court determined that DeWeese sought to endorse religion through his actions.

“[T]he poster in this case is not merely a display of the Ten Commandments in Defendant’s courtroom,” wrote Judge Eric L. Clay for the unanimous three-judge panel. “It sets forth overt religious messages and religious endorsements. It is a display of the Ten Commandments editorialized by Defendant, a judge in an Ohio state court, exhorting a return to ‘moral absolutes’ which Defendant himself defines as the principles of the ‘God of the Bible.’ The poster is an explicit endorsement of religion by Defendant….”

DeWeese was represented in court by TV preacher Pat Robertson’s American Center for Law and Justice.

Last year, Americans United filed a friend-of-the-court brief urging the appeals court to stop DeWeese from promoting religion in his courtroom. (The brief was joined by The Interfaith Alliance, the Anti-Defamation League, the Hindu American Foundation and the Union for Reform Judaism.)

In addition, Americans United pointed out on its website that DeWeese has been affiliated with Christian Reconstructionism, the most extreme manifestation of the Religious Right. Reconstructionists believe in imposing “biblical law” on America based on the legal code of the Old Testament.

Americans United is a religious liberty watchdog group based in Washington, D.C. Founded in 1947, the organization educates Americans about the importance of church-state separation in safeguarding religious freedom.


http://www.au.org/media/press-releases/archives/2011/02/au-applauds-decision-striking.html
 

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I just received "God is not Great" by Christopher Hitchens, and read it during the snowstorm. It is a good read.
 

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Very disturbing how Hitchens is so obsessed with an entity he believes doesnt even exist.

Very, very disturbing
 

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and all you do is whining and complaining
Actually if you look at this thread you would know it is not true.

I actually have a philosophy and world view of my own that I am capable of articulating, understanding and defending.

You, just cut and paste. You are a follower of the highest order.
 

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Theocratic encroachment of Society

http://www.humanism.org.uk/news/view/741

Teaching of evolution in school science under new threat

Despite past assurances to the contrary, the Education Secretary Rt Hon Michael Gove MP has said that applications to set up state-funded ‘free schools’ from creationist goups ‘would be considered’. The BHA’s chief executive Andrew Copson has condemned any teaching of creationism and intelligent design in science lessons, and has said that changes such as these to the school system creates a new threat to the teaching of evolution in schools.

The British Humanist Association has been at the forefront of challenging and bringing to public attention the growing threat to education from creationism, and promoting the teaching of evolution in schools.

After five years of campaigning by the BHA and others, in September 2007, the Labour Government published its ‘Guidance on the place of creationism and intelligent design in science lessons’, in which it is made clear that creationism and intelligent design are not scientific theories, and so cannot be taught in science lessons, as they have ‘no underlying scientific principles, or explanations, and are not accepted by the scientific community as a whole’. However attempts to discredit a wide variety of established scientific facts, and promote creationist and creationist inspired ideas in their place, continues.

In June 2010, the BHA coordinated a letter from top scientists and educators to the Conservative Education Secretary, urging him to protect and promote science in the school curriculum, with the specific inclusion of the teaching of evolution in the primary curriculum. The Department for Education's reply stated that creationism and intelligent design do not form part of the national curriculum for science and therefore should not be taught. However, the response lacks assurances that schools would be required to teach about evolution in science. Moreover, new 'free schools' and academies do not have to teach the national curriculum, so the scant assurances from the government that religious myths have no place in the science curriculum will not even apply to potentially thousands of schools.

Mr Copson commented, ‘Successive governments have failed to enshrine and protect the teaching of evolution in primary school science, and moves to lift potentially thousands of existing and new schools out of the national curriculum altogether means that pupils of all ages may not be taught what is probably the most important idea underlying biological science. This, combined with the threat of groups running schools who willingly purport anti-scientific theories which are not supported by evidence as fact, creates a new threat to the teaching of evolution and school science more generally.’
 

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Americans United Applauds Decision Striking Down Ohio Judge’s Ten Commandments Display
Yes, they are very upset that the U.S. Supreme Court Building has no less than six representations of the Decalogue and Moses with the tablets of the law.
 

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Yes, they are very upset that the U.S. Supreme Court Building has no less than six representations of the Decalogue and Moses with the tablets of the law.
a court buiulding should not be used to promote religion
 
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