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Rockslinger

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Egypt protests. I think I seen this movie before. Does Iran 1978 sound familiar? Does a Democratic U.S. President in 1978 sound familiar? Are the Iranians better off now than in 1977?

I think Egypt 2011 will be a replay of Iran 1978 (not 2010). History repeats itself.
 

Aardvark154

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Egypt protests. I think I seen this movie before. Does Iran 1978 sound familiar? Does a Democratic U.S. President in 1978 sound familiar? Are the Iranians better off now than in 1977?

I think Egypt 2011 will be a replay of Iran 1978 (not 2010). History repeats itself.
Indeed I've been thinking along the same lines as I heard Secretary Clinton speak. The problem is that those nice young women being interviewed by the Western press as "democracy advocates" speaking of how they are using twitter etc. . . to help organize the protests are not the ones who are going to be in power if they manage to overthrow the Egyptian Government. Rather it would be the Moslem Brotherhood in power, and that is not at all going to be a positive development for the West.
 

Rockslinger

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Rather it would be the Moslem Brotherhood in power, and that is not at all going to be a positive development for the West.
It won't be positive for the locals either. Do these nice young women "democracy advocates" not study history? Do they not know what happened in Iran? Do they not know that women in Iran in 2011 have less rights than women in Iran in 1977?

President Carter lost Iran and it appears that President Obama will lose Egypt.
 

nottyboi

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I think there is a chance Egypt will not slide into a theocracy. But if the Muslim Brotherhood flares up.. then here we go again.
 

scouser1

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These protests are not being lead by the Muslim Brotherhood but a pissed off educated middle class. Iran and Egypt are nowhere near similar so the analogy is nonsense, the 2 questions are will this spill beyond the middle class to the poor joes who are too busy scrapping out a daily existence, and also the reaction of the military, will they back down as in Tunisia or go Syrian 1982 Hama style, where murdering a few thousand isn't a problem. And if you read anything about the Brotherhood, they are a tame bunch and should be brought into the political fold, so Egypt doesn't turn into Algeria in 1992, what's good for Hilary and us in the West isn't necessarily good for the Egyptians, but let them decide openly and freely.
 
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This thing (which started in Tunisia) I think is going to be much bigger than many people expect. It is cascading throughout the Arab countries. Reminds me of the first breach of the Berlin wall.
 

Aardvark154

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These protests are not being lead by the Muslim Brotherhood but a pissed off educated middle class.
The only problem is that when the Muslim Brotherhood has been permitted to run, they consistently get the most votes. This is a very dangerous balancing act, backing an unpopular regime, and on the other hand having everything slide into chaos.
 

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The only problem is that when the Muslim Brotherhood has been permitted to run, they consistently get the most votes. This is a very dangerous balancing act, backing an unpopular regime, and on the other hand having everything slide into chaos.
They have never been allowed to run as an official party but as individual members, they got the most votes because they were the only alternative to protest against Mubarak and his regime. Given time and real democracy other alternatives will rise spanning the political spectrum. Also if the poor guy who votes for the Brotherhood gets a chance at social mobility, he will switch to a liberal party. We really have to stop with this condascending and meddling attitude in the West towards the Middle East. It is outdated colonialism and serves neither us or them.
 

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Egypt has cut off all text messaging and shut down the internet, as its primarily a youth movement.
 

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Is there a cult of personality in Egypt like there was in Iran with Ayatollah Khomeini?

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Aardvark154

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they got the most votes because they were the only alternative to protest against Mubarak and his regime.

Given time and real democracy other alternatives will rise
So the really bad guys get the most votes. But, if there are free elections the really bad guys will not then get the most votes, seize power and do way with free elections. Talk about cockeyed optimism.
 

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If Egypt implodes into a theocracy it will save the US a few billion a year in financial aid and shift the focus away from Israel needing to cut a deal with the Palestinians.

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scouser1

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So the really bad guys get the most votes. But, if there are free elections the really bad guys will not then get the most votes, seize power and do way with free elections. Talk about cockeyed optimism.
How about we let Likud and your girlfriend Condaleeza rule, happy now?
 

nottyboi

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. And if you read anything about the Brotherhood, they are a tame bunch and should be brought into the political fold, so Egypt doesn't turn into Algeria in 1992, what's good for Hilary and us in the West isn't necessarily good for the Egyptians, but let them decide openly and freely.
They may be a tame bunch, but it was a splinter cell of the brotherhood that assassinated Sadat
 

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Indeed I've been thinking along the same lines as I heard Secretary Clinton speak. The problem is that those nice young women being interviewed by the Western press as "democracy advocates" speaking of how they are using twitter etc. . . to help organize the protests are not the ones who are going to be in power if they manage to overthrow the Egyptian Government. Rather it would be the Moslem Brotherhood in power, and that is not at all going to be a positive development for the West.
There we go again, indeed. You want the US to continue propping up a corrupt and repressive regime.

No thought to the people.

PS: I was in Egypt last year.
 

scouser1

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There we go again, indeed. You want the US to continue propping up a corrupt and repressive regime.

No thought to the people.

PS: I was in Egypt last year.
of course not why should those darky Muhammedans have democracy, a say in their lives, who their leaders are and have open and transparent government? they are not capable of dealing with it, and it is only us in the West and Israel who know what is good for them, after all Hilary told us the Egyptian government is "stable", and we all know American politicians never lie :D.
 

flubadub

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of course not why should those darky Muhammedans have democracy, a say in their lives, who their leaders are and have open and transparent government? they are not capable of dealing with it, and it is only us in the West and Israel who know what is good for them, after all Hilary told us the Egyptian government is "stable", and we all know American politicians never lie :D.
But what happens when they don't elect someone you like?
As in Lebanon now or Gaza?
 
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