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In family court, an Ontario judge turns to ridicule to defuse the rage

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JUSTICE REPORTER— From Friday's Globe and Mail
Published Thursday, Dec. 16, 2010 8:51PM EST

Faced with warring ex-spouses besieging one another with threats and verbal abuse and dragging their children into it too, Ontario Superior Judge Joseph Quinn resorted to the only tool he had left – a highly unusual verbal roasting.

“Paging Dr. Freud, paging Dr. Freud,” Judge Quinn began a recent judgment that has gone viral in the family-law community. “Here, a husband and wife have been marinating in a mutual hatred so intense as to surely amount to a personality disorder requiring treatment. The source of difficulties is hatred: a hardened, harmful, high-octane hatred.”

Selected quotes from Judge Quinn's decision Judge Quinn’s 31-page decision boils over with the frustrations of a family-law judge who is called upon time and again to referee bouts between couples who were once in love. He even takes a shot at family law itself, saying that spousal support is “the roulette of family law – blindfolds, darts and Ouija boards being optional.

And he anticipates criticism of his tone: “The parties repeatedly have shown they are immune to reason. Consequently, in my decision, I have tried ridicule as a last resort.”

In a novel twist, Judge Quinn granted the wife, Catherine, sole custody of the feuding couple’s 13-year-old daughter. However, he ordered Larry to pay Catherine just a dollar a month in spousal support.

Judge Quinn expressed disgust with the way Catherine has induced her daughter to detest her father. “The harm is irreparable,” he said. “Generally, it is unwise to place an immature 13-year-old in charge of her life. Here, however, Catherine and [her current partner] have engineered an alienation that is so complete as to leave the court with no feasible option.”

Toronto lawyer Phil Epstein, an expert in family law, describes Judge Quinn as a respected jurist who was justified in ridiculing the couple. “I’m sure there will be some who criticize Justice Quinn for this,” he said. “But others will say that sometimes you have to step back and laugh at the foibles of mankind.”

Family law judges spent their time dealing with inflamed litigants whose stories are “highly conflicting and replete with inappropriate behaviour and misconduct,” Mr. Epstein said. “They use the courtroom as a forum for all the wrongs that have been done to them in their marriage. It is not surprising that some judges try to find a better way to help resolve their problems.”

Alternating caustic gibes with amusing observations, Judge Quinn portrayed Catherine – a 36-year-old school caretaker – and Larry, a labourer, as vile, foul-mouthed creatures who had burned through an enormous amount of police and court time waging their futile blitzkrieg.

He said that they cannot attend their son’s ball hockey games without erupting into loud conflict, and that Catherine once tried to run over Larry with a van. “This is always a telltale sign that a husband and wife are drifting apart,” Judge Quinn remarked dryly. :eek:

On three occasions, a niece of Catherine’s who is engaged to a Hells Angels biker called Larry to warn him that he would be shot dead, Judge Quinn said. “On Oct. 18, 2007, a nautical theme was added,” he remarked. “According to Larry, ‘Catherine’s sister-in-law yelled out her window that I was going to be floating in the canal dead.’”

Judge Quinn said that Larry, 38, possesses “a near-empty parenting tool box,” and was fond of venting his anger by sending Catherine insulting text messages and giving her ‘the finger’ as he drove by her home. “A finger is worth a thousand words and therefore, is particularly useful should one have a vocabulary of less than a thousand words,” Judge Quinn added.

Catherine gave her children “advanced animosity-tutoring,” and repeatedly denied Larry access to them, Judge Quinn said. He said that on one occasion, Larry and his daughter were thrown out of a McDonald’s restaurant because she was yelling that he was ‘a deadbeat.’

“This is language she would have learned from Catherine,” Judge Quinn noted. “They are the result of persistent, behind-the-scenes brainwashing by Catherine.”

He said that Catherine also warned the children several times that if they attempted to telephone their father, they would go to jail. She also once text messaged her daughter while she was on an access visit with Larry to ask: “Is dickhead there?”

Judge Quinn said that he foolishly called a four-month hiatus during the trial in the hope that Larry and Catherine could benefit from mediation. “It is touching how a trial judge can retain his naivety even after 15 years on the bench,” he said.
 

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I feel for Justice Quinn, but I think he is due for a long, uncomfortable, private chat with the Chief Judge.
 

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I feel for Justice Quinn, but I think he is due for a long, uncomfortable, private chat with the Chief Judge.
Well, he said he anticipated that.

I've never been in court, so I'm curious: We see wildly eccentric and unpredictable judges on US legal dramas on TV as entertaining plot devices. How much leeway does a judge actually have in how they write their rulings and actually run their courts?
 

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Well, he said he anticipated that.

I've never been in court, so I'm curious: We see wildly eccentric and unpredictable judges on US legal dramas on TV as entertaining plot devices. How much leeway does a judge actually have in how they write their rulings and actually run their courts?
Well, they're expected to show some gravitas and not make the newspapers for seeding their judgments with jokes and mockery. As far as how they run their courts, well most are sane, smart and sober and frankly....... boring. The more "colourful" ones get away with it for a while until the newspapers realize that they're a source of funny quotes and then I suspect they are made to toe the line.

In criminal court, there are punishments which are inflicted on renegade judges. The chief judge drafts the assignments lists. It has been known that "difficult" and "colourful" judges somehow find themselves sitting day after day and week after week and indeed month after month on by-law infringement appeals while their honourable brethren do high profile trials. And eventually, those difficult, colourful judges begin to understand that there is no "I" in "team" and turn over a new leaf. The family court bench is far smaller and the work is always pretty much invariable. So the chief judge may have to think of something else.
 

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i feel very badly for kids who are chronically exposed to custody and access conflicts. There comes a point where their trauma and the emotional abuse they witness damages them for life. The CAS needs to step in early, remove kids from these nightmare situations and find them appropriate homes with extended family, foster parents or adoptive homes. I have very little respect for low life's who mistreat each other in front of their kids, or involve the kids in the warfare. These are not typically socio-economic low lifes by any means ,rather quite often professional folks with a lot of cash who are well lawyered up with equally vile and abusive legal counsel. i fully appreciate why judges are becomingever shorter on tolerance, understanding, and patience. i would be ordering the kids out of both parents care.
 

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Most family court counsel are socialized to be aware of the damage inflicted on children in acrimonious divorce disputes and will try and minimize the infighting. After all, it gets them brownie points with the judges.

But there's only so much you can do as a lawyer if your clients are telling you to fight like hell on every single, minute and insignificant issue.
 

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Well, they're expected to show some gravitas and not make the newspapers for seeding their judgments with jokes and mockery. As far as how they run their courts, well most are sane, smart and sober and frankly....... boring.
However then there are Judges such as Alex Kozinski the Chief Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, who is famous/infamous for his humorous writing style although I add he is never bittingly sarcastic.
 

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“The parties repeatedly have shown they are immune to reason."

Classic! :)
 

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However then there are Judges such as Alex Kozinski the Chief Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, who is famous/infamous for his humorous writing style although I add he is never bittingly sarcastic.
Sometimes biting sarcasm is funny though:

Catherine once tried to run over Larry with a van. "This is always a telltale sign that a husband and wife are drifting apart," Judge Quinn remarked dryly.
 

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I feel for Justice Quinn, but I think he is due for a long, uncomfortable, private chat with the Chief Judge.
Absolutely. How dare he not order the mother full custody and $10,000 per month support? He is a disgrace to the bench.
 

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Absolutely. How dare he not order the mother full custody and $10,000 per month support? He is a disgrace to the bench.
Not what I said. And BTW, he DID order the mother sole full custody. You may not have been intelligent enough to notice that little fact. Maybe you would fit in a little better on one of the many woman-hating threads which seem to have sprung up lately.
 

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However then there are Judges such as Alex Kozinski the Chief Judge of the United States Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit, who is famous/infamous for his humorous writing style although I add he is never bittingly sarcastic.
I think Quinn J could get away with some humour, but he also insults the education level of the litigants and mocks them on a personal level. I think that changes the nature of his judgment and crosses the line. Wonder how the other judges feel.
 

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In criminal court, there are punishments which are inflicted on renegade judges. The chief judge drafts the assignments lists. It has been known that "difficult" and "colourful" judges somehow find themselves sitting day after day and week after week and indeed month after month on by-law infringement appeals while their honourable brethren do high profile trials.
can you elaborate on that please? any names maybe?
 

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I think Quinn J could get away with some humour, but he also insults the education level of the litigants and mocks them on a personal level. I think that changes the nature of his judgment and crosses the line. Wonder how the other judges feel.
I already told you how the other judges feel. Can't you read? Are you not intelligent enough? They will tack on $10,000 per month in support.
 

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Obviously I am an idiot freedom. I didn't read the 10,000 dollar figure anywhere. Nor any other justice's opinion. Only your own.
"Judge Quinn granted the wife, Catherine, sole custody of the feuding couple’s 13-year-old daughter. However, he ordered Larry to pay Catherine just a dollar a month in spousal support."
 

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Generally people in the legal profession, and most of the judges I know have a sense of humour and many of them wish they could speak out in the same way. I always enjoy appearing before a judge with some personality rather than some bland guy.

And the proof is in the pudding. Ask any of the old time judges and lawyers what they think of Master Funduk from Alberta...they all love the guy and the stuff he said:

http://www.legalhumour.com/Articles/The_Courthouse/Quotes/Master_Funduk.html
 

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And the proof is in the pudding. Ask any of the old time judges and lawyers what they think of Master Funduk from Alberta...they all love the guy and the stuff he said:

http://www.legalhumour.com/Articles/The_Courthouse/Quotes/Master_Funduk.html
For example, a newspaper publishes the true fact that a well known public figure was born illegitimate. The bastard may be mentally aggrieved by the dissemination of that information. However, he has no cause of action.

---Turton v. Butler and Toronto Sun (1987) 85 A.R. 193 at 195


LOL :)
 

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I think shitheads like this should also be charged for court time. There should be a $$ clock in court so they know how much $$ they are wasting with their idiocy and at the end the bill gets split up.
 

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I think shitheads like this should also be charged for court time. There should be a $$ clock in court so they know how much $$ they are wasting with their idiocy and at the end the bill gets split up.
Sort of done already. A litigant is often ordered to compensate the other party for its lawyer's costs if the litigant takes an unreasonable position or wastes time in any other way. Problem here is that BOTH parties were idiots.
 
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