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flubadub

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I don't see any use for the ICC here. Hamas isn't going to submit to it to begin with, you'd have to send in an army to make them comply--IDF is already doing that.
Oh, now you are suggesting that the IDF is only there to make Hamas comply with the Geneva Conventions. Too bad they were helping enforcing what the ICRC (your favourite source) called a war crime in the blockade policy. Which puts it morally about as equivalent to the US attempting to control terrorism through the torturing of Khadr.

Still a moral cretin, I see.
 

flubadub

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If you have reasonable grounds to think your target is the enemy the rules of war allow you to kill at will.
No, that's a war crime you're suggesting.
If someone is classified by the ICRC as civilian, then they have to be actively fighting, according to the ICRC to lose that distinction. Police sitting in stations on the first day of hostilities do not fit that description, maybe settlers who are actively stealing land while armed do, who knows, it'll just have to the ICC to find out.

Of course, you'd have to recognize the rule of law governs both sides to agree to that, so I fully expect you to resort to the usual arguing that Israel is either a) above the law b) able to put on its own show trials all by itself or c) that the ICC does not have the repute of democratic courts like Gitmo.
 

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Oh, now you are suggesting that the IDF is only there to make Hamas comply with the Geneva Conventions.
No, just that Hamas isn't going to suddenly stop its war crimes just because ICC or ICRC or UNSC or anybody else tells them to. It's already well established that Hamas commit war crimes, and the only military that is doing anything about it, that will ever do anything about it, is IDF.

Too bad they were helping enforcing what the ICRC (your favourite source) called a war crime in the blockade policy.
I realize you are mentally challenged, and can't remember something for 5 minutes, but, once again, for about the millionth time, ICRC was explicit that it was the border closure that it was concerned about--a closure which was lifted pretty much immediately after ICRC raised its concern.

ICRC has never raised any concern with the naval blockade.
 

fuji

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No, that's a war crime you're suggesting.
Nope. And at this point I'm just going to say you're too stupid for this debate to continue: In a war you can shoot the enemy. Duh. Can't believe you are arguing with that--what a moron.

Police sitting in stations on the first day of hostilities do not fit that description
That's true. Armed militants sitting in a police station, however, is something completely different.

able to put on its own show trials all by itself
More unsubstantiated propaganda from you. Pretty much all humanitarian organizations recognize that Israel has strong, free, democratic, and vibrant courts. I've previously quoted you the founder of HRW on this topic, I can quote him again if you like.
 

flubadub

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No, just that Hamas isn't going to suddenly stop its war crimes just because ICC or ICRC or UNSC or anybody else tells them to. It's already well established that Hamas commit war crimes, and the only military that is doing anything about it, that will ever do anything about it, is IDF.
You suggest that Israel, who is apparently just as guilty in war crimes as Hamas, should police Gaza?
You, sir, are once again proving yourself a propaganda parrot.

ICRC was explicit that it was the border closure that it was concerned about--a closure which was lifted pretty much immediately after ICRC raised its concern.ICRC has never raised any concern with the naval blockade.
Oh this is boring.
And once again, it is only you who argues that they are separate. The naval blockade is a part of the policy of closure, which the ICRC called a war crime and which the EU has recently said has not been eased since the flottilla killings.
 

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flubadub

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First thing in your entire posting history you've gotten correct.
I don't know why I feel compelled to argue with Fuji, he just lies, repeats his lies even after being caught out on them and ignores anything that doesn't fit his twisted view.

I need a new hobby, wait, before I wasted too much free time arguing with an ass I used to hobby.....
 

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I don't know why I feel compelled to argue with Fuji, he just lies, repeats his lies even after being caught out on them and ignores anything that doesn't fit his twisted view.

I need a new hobby, wait, before I wasted too much free time arguing with an ass I used to hobby.....
Wow. Must of us would substitute your name for his before agreeing with this staement.
 

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You are doing a good job and a service to mankind flub, pointing out how wrong Fugi is as usual. He has clearly lost this debate hands down but the interesting part is, he doesn't think so. He has been reading too much Alan Dershowitz.
 

fuji

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You suggest that Israel, who is apparently just as guilty in war crimes as Hamas, should police Gaza?
You, sir, are once again proving yourself a propaganda parrot.
Huh? The things Israel's accused of are trivial and minor compared to the crimes Hamas brags about committing. Moving population into an occupied area is illegal, but as far as war crimes go, a fairly minor thing. The terrorist attacks on civilians that Hamas carry out are the gravest war crimes on the books.

You are pathetic.


And once again, it is only you who argues that they are separate.
Please quote anything anywhere in either Goldstone or in any ICRC statement that even mentions the naval aspects of the blockade, or anything anywhere that asserts that Israel does not have a right to inspect cargo into Gaza.

Everyone recognizes Israel's right to check the cargo.

Everyone knows that if unchecked shipments into Gaza were permitted Hamas would import all manner of arms. That would be horrendously bad for the population of Gaza as it would more or less immediately lead to a massive and bloody war.
 

flubadub

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Looks like a good example of the Israeli courts working to me.
Once again showing your lack of morals.
You really think that using a 9 year old as a human shield in battle should result in no punishment?
You are sick.

You're still guilty of three lies you haven't apologized for, as well as not apologizing for being wrong about this, as usual.
 

fuji

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Once again showing your lack of morals.
You really think that using a 9 year old as a human shield in battle should result in no punishment?
Looks like the courts investigated it, put a stop to it, and registered a conviction. Fortunately no-one was hurt, which would explain the suspended sentence.

What are you expecting here? If some Toronto police were charged with the same offense I think the result would be about the same. It's the sort of sentence I would expect to see handed down in Canada as well.

Maybe you think because they're Jews they should get harsher sentences than anyone else would???
 

fuji

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You know, Blackrock, maybe you're right.
Lets just go with Eric Blair's ruling and call the argument over and me the clear winner.
Done.
Spoken like a true propaganda clown. You appear to be neither smart enough, nor honest enough, to admit when you've lost a point.

Or maybe you can find me something in Goldstone that says Israel can't inspect cargo? Or from the ICRC? Nope. Not there.
 
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