Vanier Cup 2010
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I think the real final was last week in Quebec when Laval squeaked out a victory against Western, and if the Western coach did'nt give the starting quarterback job to his no talent son they would have won.
BTW, I've always wondered about this but, never seen it raised anywhere.
When you get down to the final 4 situation with the Uteck Bowl and the Mitchell Bowl, I've never seen the Ontario team have home field advantage. It's always a road game. I've followed Western Mustangs for about 30 years and I think they've made it to the final 4 about 6 times in that time span, maybe more; but, I've never once seen them have home field advantage.
They always have to travel to Saskatchewan, or Halifax, or Edmonton or Quebec and never do they have a home game in a final 4 situation. Is universitly athletics rigged against Ontario based teams in football. I mean last week in the final 4 the home team won both times and in the Laval / Western game it was maybe the difference maker. I mean what are the odds that in 6 trips to the final 4 you get home field advantage 0 times and a road game 6 times. Something does'nt add up here.
With 29 -2 win today, Laval is 6 - 0 in the Vanier Cup since they first won it in 1999.
BTW, I've always wondered about this but, never seen it raised anywhere.
When you get down to the final 4 situation with the Uteck Bowl and the Mitchell Bowl, I've never seen the Ontario team have home field advantage. It's always a road game. I've followed Western Mustangs for about 30 years and I think they've made it to the final 4 about 6 times in that time span, maybe more; but, I've never once seen them have home field advantage.
They always have to travel to Saskatchewan, or Halifax, or Edmonton or Quebec and never do they have a home game in a final 4 situation. Is universitly athletics rigged against Ontario based teams in football. I mean last week in the final 4 the home team won both times and in the Laval / Western game it was maybe the difference maker. I mean what are the odds that in 6 trips to the final 4 you get home field advantage 0 times and a road game 6 times. Something does'nt add up here.
With 29 -2 win today, Laval is 6 - 0 in the Vanier Cup since they first won it in 1999.
LMAO, Kilgore, you're a real Western Mustang fan!I think the real final was last week in Quebec when Laval squeaked out a victory against Western, and if the Western coach did'nt give the starting quarterback job to his no talent son they would have won.
BTW, I've always wondered about this but, never seen it raised anywhere.
When you get down to the final 4 situation with the Uteck Bowl and the Mitchell Bowl, I've never seen the Ontario team have home field advantage. It's always a road game. I've followed Western Mustangs for about 30 years and I think they've made it to the final 4 about 6 times in that time span, maybe more; but, I've never once seen them have home field advantage.
They always have to travel to Saskatchewan, or Halifax, or Edmonton or Quebec and never do they have a home game in a final 4 situation. Is universitly athletics rigged against Ontario based teams in football. I mean last week in the final 4 the home team won both times and in the Laval / Western game it was maybe the difference maker. I mean what are the odds that in 6 trips to the final 4 you get home field advantage 0 times and a road game 6 times. Something does'nt add up here.
With 29 -2 win today, Laval is 6 - 0 in the Vanier Cup since they first won it in 1999.
There is nothing rigged in the CIS, Queen's Golden Gaels won the Vanier Cup last year defeating Calgary at Laval!
The Vanier Cup is a bidding process. This was Laval's last year to host.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanier_Cup Hamilton hosted the Vanier Cup in 2004,2005 and 2008
You really follow the Mustangs. The 2008 Mitchell Bowl was won by the 'Stangs' at TD Waterhouse Stadium. That's in London, Ontario!
Western Mustangs have appeared in the Vanier Cup 12 times, winning 6 and are tied with Laval most wins.
The National semi-finals Uteck and Mitchell Bowls rotate read the articles for location. The teams and host sites of the Uteck Bowl and the Mitchell Bowl rotate on a six-year cycle, so that in each cycle each of the four conferences hosts and visits every other conference once.
Uteck Bowl http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uteck_Bowl Western has played in one Uteck Bowl and lost to Laval.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mitchell_Bowl Since 2002, the Mitchell Bowl has been hosted in Hamilton, Ottawa, London and Kingston Western is 1-1 in Mitchell Bowl games.
Laval's athletic programs are privately sponsored. There is no money from the school involved. The football team has existed since 1995 and they run Spring training in Florida. Their athletes are also 2/3 years older than most of the CIS athletes.
I follow Mustangs in a distant sort of way since I don't live in London.
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Quote from Wiki:
"The Atlantic Bowl traditionally saw the Atlantic University Sport champions face a champion from another conference at Huskies Stadium in Halifax. However, in the interests of competitive fairness, the Atlantic Bowl was replaced by the Mitchell Bowl, its venue, like the Churchill Bowl that had paralleled it for so long, rotating among two of the conference champions."
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This rotation thing has clearly just started since about 2002 or so then. All though the 80's and 90's I was perplexed about why Ontario teams never hosted final 4 football events. For 20 years or so at least it was always Maritime Provinces and Western Canada provinces that hosted the final 4 and Quebec and Ontario were locked out of possibility of hosting final 4. Talk about getting royally screwed.
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Laval seems to function outside the normal loop if their players are 2 or 3 years older than players everywhere else. St. Mary's is like that in hockey.
All the players on St. Mary's team seem to be between 24 and 30 and they've been recruited from East Coast Hockey League and the American Hockey League. St. Mary's goes after high schoolers who have pursued getting into the NHL all their lives and when they give up finally; well, St. Mary's steps in and offers them a scholarship if they play on the hockey team.
So there are first year university students at the age of 24 with 4 or 5 years of eligibility they can sit on.
Mike Danton, formerly of St. Louis Blues and New Jersey Devils was a rookie at age 29 last year with St. Mary's hockey team.
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Quote from Wiki:
"The Atlantic Bowl traditionally saw the Atlantic University Sport champions face a champion from another conference at Huskies Stadium in Halifax. However, in the interests of competitive fairness, the Atlantic Bowl was replaced by the Mitchell Bowl, its venue, like the Churchill Bowl that had paralleled it for so long, rotating among two of the conference champions."
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This rotation thing has clearly just started since about 2002 or so then. All though the 80's and 90's I was perplexed about why Ontario teams never hosted final 4 football events. For 20 years or so at least it was always Maritime Provinces and Western Canada provinces that hosted the final 4 and Quebec and Ontario were locked out of possibility of hosting final 4. Talk about getting royally screwed.
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Laval seems to function outside the normal loop if their players are 2 or 3 years older than players everywhere else. St. Mary's is like that in hockey.
All the players on St. Mary's team seem to be between 24 and 30 and they've been recruited from East Coast Hockey League and the American Hockey League. St. Mary's goes after high schoolers who have pursued getting into the NHL all their lives and when they give up finally; well, St. Mary's steps in and offers them a scholarship if they play on the hockey team.
So there are first year university students at the age of 24 with 4 or 5 years of eligibility they can sit on.
Mike Danton, formerly of St. Louis Blues and New Jersey Devils was a rookie at age 29 last year with St. Mary's hockey team.
Oh, I get it, you've just missed the past decade of CIS athletics! You stepped in it, just say oops!I follow Mustangs in a distant sort of way since I don't live in London.
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Quote from Wiki:
"The Atlantic Bowl traditionally saw the Atlantic University Sport champions face a champion from another conference at Huskies Stadium in Halifax. However, in the interests of competitive fairness, the Atlantic Bowl was replaced by the Mitchell Bowl, its venue, like the Churchill Bowl that had paralleled it for so long, rotating among two of the conference champions."
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This rotation thing has clearly just started since about 2002 or so then. All though the 80's and 90's I was perplexed about why Ontario teams never hosted final 4 football events. For 20 years or so at least it was always Maritime Provinces and Western Canada provinces that hosted the final 4 and Quebec and Ontario were locked out of possibility of hosting final 4.
Yea, I stepped in it since a new playoff final 4 set up was devised starting in the 2003 season.
But, as mentioned, I only distantly follow Canadian university football, and you evaded dealing with the fixed, rigged situation in 1980's and 90's in your response.
But, as mentioned, I only distantly follow Canadian university football, and you evaded dealing with the fixed, rigged situation in 1980's and 90's in your response.
That is not what you wrote or infered, you made it sound like You're Western Mustangs Superfan for the past 30 years.Yea, I stepped in it since a new playoff final 4 set up was devised starting in the 2003 season.
But, as mentioned, I only distantly follow Canadian university football, and you evaded dealing with the fixed, rigged situation in 1980's and 90's in your response.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanier_Cup Now will you read this, and you'll see that it doesn't matter where the semi-final bowls are played.
In order for the team to be mentioned here, they would have had to play in the national semi-final, wherever it was. You ask about the 1980s and 1990s, it appears that Ontario won it's fair share of semi-finals in those decades.
Vanier Cup Winners and Finalists from Ontario:
Wow 4 of the first 5 finals were represented by Ontario
1965 Toronto V.B. WINNER
1966 Waterloo Lutheran (Wilfrid Laurier)
1967 McMaster
1968 Queens WINNER beat Waterloo Lutheran Both from Ontario
9 times in the 70s Ontario was in the Vanier Cup, so it didn't matter where the semi-final was played.
1970 Ottawa
1971 Western WINNER
1972 Waterloo Lutheran (Wilfrid Laurier)
1974 Western WINNER beat Toronto V.B Both from Ontario
1975 Ottawa WINNER
1976 Western WINNER
1977 Western WINNER
1978 Queens WINNER
1979 Western
I don't know the 80's look pretty good for Ontario representation in the Vanier Cup, which means it didn't matter where the semi final was played. Ontario appearances in the 80's 7 out of 10. Where is the fix or rigging as you claim?
1980 Ottawa
1982 Western
1983 Queens
1984 Guelph WINNER
1985 Western
1986 Western
1989 Western WINNER
In the 90s, 6 of 10 finals had an Ontario team represented. 4 different Ontario teams won the Vanier Cup, so it didn't matter where the semi-final was played. Where is the fix or rigging as you claim?
1991 Wilfrid Laurier WINNER
1992 Queens WINNER
1993 Toronto V.B. WINNER
1994 Western WINNER
1995 Western
1997 Ottawa
This decade has 4 Ontario representatives. 4 different teams, 3 different teams winning, so it doesn't matter where the semi-final was played.
2000 Ottawa WINNER
2005 Wilfrid Laurier WINNER
2008 Western
2009 Queens WINNER
Laval is just a strong program with private money. Montreal Carabins would probably play in the Vanier Cup if they didn't have to play Laval. Montreal Carabins are also privately funded.
Mitchell Bowl
http://english.cis-sic.ca/championships/fball/2010-11/files/mitchell_bowl
Uteck Bowl
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uteck_Bowl#Uteck_Bowl_champions
Churchill Bowl
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Churchill_Bowl
Atlantic Bowl
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atlantic_Bowl Played in Atlantic Canada and the winner would play the winner of the Churchill Bowl for the Vanier Cup.
Your just wrong about the 80s and 90s and pretty much everything that you mentioned. Read the information, I haven't evaded your question. In fact, I've gone further in proving you wrong. How about you just let it go now?
They follow a 6 year rotation with each province hosting 3 times and playing each conference twice. Last year Queen's hosted Laval in the Mitchell Bowl. Before 2001 both Ottawa and Queen's were in the old O-QIFC. So in 1997 and 2000 Ottawa was actually the Quebec Rep playing the Ontario rep. In 1997 Ottawa hosted Waterloo, and in 2000 travelled to McMaster.
Despite the rotation the game played furthest east is always the Uteck Bowl.
Despite the rotation the game played furthest east is always the Uteck Bowl.
Yes, you are correct about Ottawa and Queens.They follow a 6 year rotation with each province hosting 3 times and playing each conference twice. Last year Queen's hosted Laval in the Mitchell Bowl. Before 2001 both Ottawa and Queen's were in the old O-QIFC. So in 1997 and 2000 Ottawa was actually the Quebec Rep playing the Ontario rep. In 1997 Ottawa hosted Waterloo, and in 2000 travelled to McMaster.
Despite the rotation the game played furthest east is always the Uteck Bowl.
