Sarkozy sets stage for open season on the dollar

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Sarkozy sets stage for open season on the dollar
KEVIN CARMICHAEL
Seoul— From Monday's Globe and Mail
Published Monday, Nov. 15, 2010 7:25AM EST
Last updated Monday, Nov. 15, 2010 7:38AM EST
Those who grumbled that nothing of significance happened at the Group of 20 summit missed Nicolas Sarkozy's press conference. The French leader said he and Chinese President Hu Jintao have come up with a strategy that will ensure much of the next 12 months is spent questioning the U.S. dollar's role as the world's reserve currency.

Mr. Sarkozy, who took over the G20 presidency at the end of the Seoul meeting from Lee Myung-bak, didn't put it quite this way, of course. He started by repeating what he has been saying for a while: That his No. 1 agenda item will be an examination of the international monetary system. Then the new twist: Mr. Hu, who visited Mr. Sarkozy before the summit, had agreed to host a "seminar" on the subject under the G20 banner in the spring.

The symbolism of China hosting a major gathering to discuss currency policy is impossible to miss. In March, 2009, Zhou Xiaochuan, the governor of China's central bank, proposed replacing the dollar as the reserve currency with the Special Drawing Right, or SDR, a little-used unit of exchange run by the International Monetary Fund. (The IMF bases the SDR's value on a basket of the dollar, euro, pound and yen.) Mr. Zhou's suggestion created a stir as investors wondered if China was getting ready to abandon the dollar. Now, thanks to Mr. Sarkozy, Mr. Zhou will get to organize an entire conference on the subject with the world's currency traders watching in rapt attention. There will be fireworks.

In Seoul, G20 leaders agreed to "build a more stable and resilient international monetary system," which Mr. Sarkozy presented as evidence that he's not alone in looking for a better way to organize global currency policy.

"Two years ago, people looked at us like we were weird," Mr. Sarkozy said, referring to the French government's criticism since the financial crisis of excessive volatility in foreign exchange markets. "Now the G20 is agreed that we have to improve our world order."

Many will scoff and sneer at all of this. Back when the smaller group of seven advanced economies was running the show, former officials will snidely say they had to put up with talk of overhauling the monetary order once every seven years when France's turn came to set the agenda.

Mr. Sarkozy likely won't recreate the talks held in Bretton Woods, New Hampshire, in 1944 that established a system of fixed exchange rates to the dollar, which was in turn pegged to gold. But it would be wrong to assume talk of changing the international monetary system will go away when Mr. Sarkozy's presidency does.

The U.S. system of government is proving incapable of delivering the sound economic policy necessary to ensure that the dollar's value remains stable. The biggest reason the Federal Reserve is proceeding with its dollar-weakening strategy of creating money to buy financial assets is because Congress is incapable of doing anything to address the country's unacceptably high unemployment rate. A critical mass of fast-growing economies is rightly asking why policy makers and politicians in Washington should have such an outsized role in determining the well-being of sovereign countries.

What is unclear is where all this will lead. The U.S. isn't going to give up the advantages of controlling the world's most used currency without a fight.

There will be lots of talk of creating a new reserve currency. World Bank president Robert Zoellick already has launched the first salvo, proposing last a week a SDR-like unit that would include the yuan in the reference basket and have some link to the price of gold. This talk tends to forget that businesses and individuals will ultimately have to agree to accept the use of a new unit of exchange.

Ousmène Mandeng of London-based Ashmore Investment Management, who is a former IMF official, proposes a simpler solution: competition. The failure of "Bretton Woods II" is that too few countries are willing to play by the rules. Mr. Mandeng proposes changing the incentive to follow good economic policies by forcing governments to compete for the role of reserve currency. The G20 could encourage greater use of as many as a dozen currencies for global exchange, perhaps by instructing central banks to diversify their reserves. Mr. Mandeng reckons this would force U.S. politicians to take their deficit and debt more seriously because they could no longer rely on heavy demand for Treasuries to keep borrowing costs low.

Other ideas will emerge, including from the emerging-market governments that are so eager to change the system. The short-term winners will be currency traders, who thrive on volatility.

The price of gold jumped after Mr. Zoellick's proposal appeared in the Financial Times on Monday as some investors bet the metal is on track to return as a base for international exchange rates. Gold fell later in the week when Bank of Canada Governor Mark Carney dismissed that idea.

Millions made and lost as the result of a simple op-ed in a newspaper. And Mr. Sarkozy has barely got started. It's going to be a wild year.
 

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Interesting, Sarkozy actually makes some very good points, the problem is that a ot of currencies worldwide are back or valued against the dollar, if they removed the dollar as the basis of reserve currency it could just panic a lot of countries into selling of their dollar reserves for "whatever" . That would crash the US economy like nothing ever could, and that would be bad news for the planet.

The American problem is based in their belif in capitalism, they talk the talk but when the s*** hits the fan they don't walk the walk anymore. All those bailouts last year are a perfect example, the "to big to fail" companies should never have been allowed to get that big , the anit trust laws were put into place specifically for that reason.

Right now you ahve a bastardized capitalistic system where there is no downside for the people who run the companies ,beyond the,bad press. The govt spends money it has to borrow to bail out companies that fail becase , they are to big to fail, there are to many jobs at risk, etc , etc, etc, .

Perhaps this discussion at the next G20 meeting will slap the American political folks hard enough that they might actually do something useful as opposed to doing the politically correct thing
 

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Be careful what you wish for, as you just may get it.
What is happening is against everybody's wishes. That does not mean it will not happen. There is a very good chance that the economic order based upon the $US we have known since the 30's will if not come to an end, then be drastically remodeled.
 

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Interesting, Sarkozy actually makes some very good points, the problem is that a ot of currencies worldwide are back or valued against the dollar, if they removed the dollar as the basis of reserve currency it could just panic a lot of countries into selling of their dollar reserves for "whatever" . That would crash the US economy like nothing ever could, and that would be bad news for the planet.

The American problem is based in their belif in capitalism, they talk the talk but when the s*** hits the fan they don't walk the walk anymore. All those bailouts last year are a perfect example, the "to big to fail" companies should never have been allowed to get that big , the anit trust laws were put into place specifically for that reason.

Right now you ahve a bastardized capitalistic system where there is no downside for the people who run the companies ,beyond the,bad press. The govt spends money it has to borrow to bail out companies that fail becase , they are to big to fail, there are to many jobs at risk, etc , etc, etc, .

Perhaps this discussion at the next G20 meeting will slap the American political folks hard enough that they might actually do something useful as opposed to doing the politically correct thing
I think it's called Corporate Welfare. It's a type of Socialism but only for the rich.

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I am not sure people are thinking clearly when they talk about destabilizing the US dollar, removing it as the reserve currency or who would want to do such a thing and how.

There are three things to keep in mind:

1) the markets determine reserve currencies and even in the most recent crisis the US dollar has overwhelmingly been the safe haven of choice of currency and institutional investors.

2) France does not have the pull or interest in doing this. It has to do with the size of their economy and their agricultural subsidy issues, but they can't and don't want to.

3) China really doesn't want to do this. China is an export driven economy and by miles their number one market is the US. If the Us economy and currency go in the tank, so do they as they have no one to sell to. It is kind of a MAD economic relationship.
 

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The Chinese are pissed at the Americans for starting to devalue the dollar .. and all those trillions of dollars in US bonds the Chinese have bought up over the last 20 years. This is probably a not so subtle hint about that. The French have been pissed at the Americans since about 20 minutes after the Statue of liberty went up. They and a lot of European countries believe that they will be able to arrange a European centered financial reserve system. It is only their just deserts or at least that is what they believe.

Removing the USD as the resever currency will probably happen if the States does not get its act together, but it will be more the result of the atrophing of the American economic muscle of time as opposed to being done by fiat.
 

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I think it's called Corporate Welfare. It's a type of Socialism but only for the rich.

BS
An irony missed by our conservative myopic pseudo-capitalists on the right who view that as their god given 'entitlement'.
 

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Still it is SPOT ON!

Watch for proof as GOPers CARP 'Let NO Millionaire Be Left Behind' as they work to extend their welfare AKA Tax-Cuts they hardly need but feel 'entitled' to....

While for the peasants....let them eat cake!
 

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The Chinese are pissed at the Americans for starting to devalue the dollar .. and all those trillions of dollars in US bonds the Chinese have bought up over the last 20 years. This is probably a not so subtle hint about that. The French have been pissed at the Americans since about 20 minutes after the Statue of liberty went up. They and a lot of European countries believe that they will be able to arrange a European centered financial reserve system. It is only their just deserts or at least that is what they believe.

Removing the USD as the resever currency will probably happen if the States does not get its act together, but it will be more the result of the atrophing of the American economic muscle of time as opposed to being done by fiat.
I agree that the Chinese are pissed, but there isn't much they can do about it. The French are pissed that they are now no longer the center of world politics (nor is their language use for diplomacy to the extent it once was)....

What currency would replace the US Dollar - the Euro has it's own issue, no other currency would have the liquidity (if the Euro has the liquidity).

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Still it is SPOT ON!

Watch for proof as GOPers CARP 'Let NO Millionaire Be Left Behind' as they work to extend their welfare AKA Tax-Cuts they hardly need but feel 'entitled' to....

While for the peasants....let them eat cake!
If you could actually get past you idiotic its all the republicans fault, and actually realize that the current problem started with BushI, was helped allong by Clinton , improved upon by Bush II and quite possibly irredeamnably lost by Obama, and all the bureaucrats that worked for the lot of them you might be able to contribute something usefull to the conversation.
 

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China will not accept anyhting that China does not approve of, and a European financial base is one of those "not" things.. The Europeans, the French in particular are dreaming if they think the Chinese will allow a European based or dominated currency reserve. I think at present the Chinese are useing the French idea to stick a finger in the Americans eye.

Bringing troops home and increasing some taxes would solve a lot of the economic problems , but there are no politicians in the States that have the nerve to do that, specifically looking back at the elections last week. There needs to be some sanity on all fronts down there and they need to get rid of a bunch of the experts surrounding the President.
 

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Republicans: Must cut taxes and increase military spending because we like wars, our Lockheed stock goes up. Must cut Social Security, Medicare, head start food stamps and tax the rubber tips on sick people's crutches. Are there no poor houses?

Democrats: Must raise taxes on rich people and cut military spending because it is the world'd worst fucking waste of money. Can't touch Soc Sec or Medicare.

Conclusion? Many years of gridlock. BTW I think Republicans are Satan's spawn and the Dems could not organize a line up to the washroom.
 

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If you could actually get past you idiotic its all the republicans fault, and actually realize that the current problem started with BushI, was helped allong by Clinton , improved upon by Bush II and quite possibly irredeamnably lost by Obama.
Actually brainless Reagan started it all. Just giving credit where credit was due, to the GOP!
Prior to mindless Ronnie the USA was a creditor nation. Ronnie turned the USA into a Debtor nation with his Reagan Revulsion....Spend & Borrow! Reagan spawned the Race to the Bottom.
 

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The US is playing chicken with China and the rest of the world. The states keep printing money knowing that China doesn't want to drop the dollar because they are holding so many and need the american market to buy the cheap shiny crap. But if China calls the states debts in we're all in big trouble.
 

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The US is playing chicken with China and the rest of the world. The states keep printing money knowing that China doesn't want to drop the dollar because they are holding so many and need the american market to buy the cheap shiny crap. But if China calls the states debts in we're all in big trouble.
How would they call that debt?

If you owe the bank a little the bank owns you, if you owe the bank a lot then you own the bank....

I'm sure the Chinese are pissed but there is little they can do, their currency is tied to the USD and that (and massive liquidity) keeps it artificially low allowing them to finance their growth with exports. They cannot turn to the Euro as the economies that underpin that are weaker than the US (Greece, Spain, Ireland....). At this point the US has unilateral ability to devalue the USD, other countries can whine and bitch all they like but I think the era of other countries growing on the back of US trade deficits may be coming to an end.

An interesting point, from 1995-2000 the US economy accounted for 60% of world economic growth - not going to happen again anytime soon. Another interesting point, at no point in the last 100 years has the US economy accounted for less than 20% of global GDP... that I think will change, but not quickly.

Not so ragged a performance from a paltry 3% of world population.

OTB
 

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How would they call that debt?

If you owe the bank a little the bank owns you, if you owe the bank a lot then you own the bank....

I'm sure the Chinese are pissed but there is little they can do, their currency is tied to the USD and that (and massive liquidity) keeps it artificially low allowing them to finance their growth with exports. They cannot turn to the Euro as the economies that underpin that are weaker than the US (Greece, Spain, Ireland....). At this point the US has unilateral ability to devalue the USD, other countries can whine and bitch all they like but I think the era of other countries growing on the back of US trade deficits may be coming to an end.

An interesting point, from 1995-2000 the US economy accounted for 60% of world economic growth - not going to happen again anytime soon. Another interesting point, at no point in the last 100 years has the US economy accounted for less than 20% of global GDP... that I think will change, but not quickly.

Not so ragged a performance from a paltry 3% of world population.

OTB
I knew I could count on you to find the good news in the devaluation of the $US. The concept is as old as the Ponzi scheme: "We will loan a lot of money, then we will devaluate the money and we only have to pay back much less Ha Ha.". It has been tried so many times before, always with poor results, i.e. eventually high inflation, high interest rates (or stagflation) and always a drastic reduction in living standards for the middle class.
 
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