Markham Home Invasion Murder

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I hate to admit it, but your right! personally im not racist as I do have white friends but it's true majority of Domestic assults to women, Rape, Child molestation, and Kidnapping of children are committed by white people.
I keep telling my friends, girlfriend, female friends, friends with children, If you see white people around in any area for that matter they may do one of the above said terrible crimes. Oh its not about being racist, it's a fact....LMAO
Laugh all you want, but have you taken a look the Toronto Police Service Most Wanted List. Most are black faces. You can't dispute those facts!
http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/homicide/mostwanted.php
 

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To be fair, Paul Bernardo, Russell Williams, Conrad Black, Bernie Madroff, Goldman and Sachs are all a bunch of White guys.
 

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I have been observing this scene for more than 40 years in Toronto.

The fact is that this kind of cold, brash, ballsy violence and brutality has been steadily growing over the years: Jane and Finch, "Just Desserts"... the list is shockingly long.

Of course, blacks are not the only ethnic group prone to savage violence.

But I don't think these things happen because these animals are black, they happen because these animals are Jamaican. There is something about Jamaican culture that feeds into this male archetype. There are many things about Jamaican culture that I love, particularly its open hearted, honest people [I won't even mention its women, beaches, ganja, fruit, rum or Reggae!] ... but this cult of gangsta is something that Jamaican culture has failed to deal with.

Look at what is happening in Jamaica: what further proof is needed?

Over the years, of those blacks in Toronto who have been caught doing these kinds of things, the overwhelming majority have been Jamaican -- while Jamaicans are a small portion of Toronto's blacks.

I think it is time that we pay attention to the facts rather than play ostrich-with-head-in-the-sand for the sake of political correctness.

Perry
 

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Laugh all you want, but have you taken a look the Toronto Police Service Most Wanted List. Most are black faces. You can't dispute those facts!
http://www.torontopolice.on.ca/homicide/mostwanted.php
Agreed some are brown, and black all Violent offences NOT ONE Rape, Kidnapping, Child Molestation, Kidnapping of children...just saying, I dont think being Jamaican has anything to do with it...There are crimes and race has nothing to do with it, yes blacks do crime, brown people do crime, white people do crime, asian people do crime, Its funny, when there is a crime and its a black person its like here we go again, but when a white person molests a child it's like that bastard, not oh boy another whitey molesting kids again...see my point, Im not saying any crime is fine , what Im saying is crime sees no colour.
 

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They're now saying drugs may have been involved: http://www.torontosun.com/news/torontoandgta/2010/11/10/16069461.html

Three gunmen who killed Bich Ha Pan and badly wounded her husband may have targeted the couple’s home for possible drugs, sources told the Sun Wednesday.

Classmates who attended high school several years ago with their daughter and her boyfriend talked of them mixing with a “rough crowd” that used, shared and sold dope, “likely marijuana,” a source said. However, York Regional Police investigators said they have no evidence that the family was involved in illegal drugs.

Police probing the Monday murder of the 53-year-old housewife and the wounding of her husband, tool-and-die maker Huei Hann Pann, 57, haven’t ruled out the home invaders targeted the wrong house. Investigators are also checking several tips.

The couple’s 24-year-old daughter, whose name has not been released, was tied up and left in an upper room and did not see her parents shot.
After the three gunmen fled with an undisclosed amount of cash, she got free and called 911.

Her father staggered outside around 10:30 p.m. Monday and sought help at the house next door, at the corner of Dodds Crt.
His condition was upgraded at Sunnybrook hospital on Wednesday to serious but stable. The couple’s daughter and younger brother, who was away at university, are with their dad.

From Vietnam, the couple bought their house northeast of Kennedy Rd. and Hwy. 407 in 2004.
It will remain cordoned off while detectives and forensic officers search for clues as to why the two-storey house on Helen Ave. was targeted, Det.-Sgt. Larry Wilson said Wednesday. Wilson told the Sun “we have no evidence of the family being involved in any drug activities.”

Meanwhile, police have identified a mystery car outside the Pan house from 10 p.m. to 10:30 p.m. Monday.
After officers compared a grainy video from a neighbour’s security camera with information from neighbours, Wilson described the car that drove up and left 30 minutes after the home invasion as a four-door silver-coloured Acura CSX. It had tinted windows, lowered suspension and a rear spoiler.
Wilson said several people got inside, but were unrecognizable.

“We’re looking for this vehicle and we’d like to talk to the individuals,” to determine if they are suspects or not involved, he told reporters.
A mobile police station opened around 8 a.m. at the east end of Helen Ave., beside Unionville Meadows Public School, where residents are invited to visit until at least this weekend with tips, clues or seeking home safety advice.

There has been no update for descriptions of the wanted trio.
Police described two as black and ranging in age from 28 to 33. One had a medium build, long dreadlocks and dark clothing. The other was 5-foot-7, with his face covered by a bandanna and wearing a hooded sweatshirt.
Their companion was only described as a thin man speaking with “a Caribbean accent.”

Police ask anyone with information to call 1-866-287-5025, ext. 7865 or Crime Stoppers at 1-800-222-TIPS (8477)
 

james t kirk

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^^^ Here we go.

I have the feeling that there is more here than we're being told. Just watch.
 

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How do you suggest we solve this problem?
The solution lies within that particular community. They must say loudly that this type of behaviour is unacceptable. Encourage and help their children to excel in school (like the Asian community). The community must also stop justifying criminal activities by saying that a few White, Brown and Yellow people also commit crimes.
 

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The solution lies within that particular community. They must say loudly that this type of behaviour is unacceptable. Encourage and help their children to excel in school (like the Asian community). The community must also stop justifying criminal activities by saying that a few White, Brown and Yellow people also commit crimes.
You took the words out of my mouth. Denial is the biggest obstacle to solving the problem.
 

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Years ago Montreal was the bank robbery capital of Canada. The police came up with the simple strategy that if they caught you in the process of robbing a bank, you took a slug to the head. No warning shot, no warnings period. They just shot you dead. Eventually would-be bank robbers got the message and bank robberies dropped dramatically. Seems like a good strategy for dealing with home invasions.
That looks like wild west to me!
 

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Earnings tool and die makers:

Median hourly earnings were $20.55 in May 2004.
The middle 50 percent earned between $16.70 and $25.93.
The lowest 10 percent had earnings of less than $13.57.
The top 10 percent earned more than $31.19.
Median hourly earnings in the manufacturing industries employing the largest numbers of tool and die makers in May 2004 are:

-Motor vehicle parts manufacturing $ 26.93
-Plastics product manufacturing $ 20.17
-Forging and stamping $ 20.09
-Metalworking machinery manufacturing $ 19.82
-Machine shops; turned product; and screw, nut, and bolt -manufacturing $ 18.84

The mom didn't work, the son attending university and they live in at least $500,000 house. If the father was making the max possible salary, that will only be $65,000-$70,000 a year; it doesn't add up.
 

james t kirk

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The mom didn't work, the son attending university and they live in at least $500,000 house. If the father was making the max possible salary, that will only be $65,000-$70,000 a year; it doesn't add up.
Agreed.

There's more to this story.
 

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The fact is that there is a disporportionate number of crimes committed by blacks. Having said that, I know that certain ethnicities suffer economic, social, political concerns which obviously contribute to potentially a life of crime. Somebody has to step up and address this problem. It is very disturbing that when the Toronto Sun publishes the murdered victims in Toronto, the majority are black. The black community leaders must address the problem.
 

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i hate to admit it, but your right!
personally im not racist as i do have a great deal of friends who are black. But it's true majority of crimes are commited by black people.
i keep telling my wife too, if you happen to see a group of black guys in a place where you seldom see them like in markham, they are up to no good. It's not about being racist anymore, it's a fact!
OK this is really beginning to piss me off.

As soon as a black person does something wrong it becomes a convenient commentary on an entire group of people.

Well whynot888...Lets examine the reciprocal.

I have alot of asian friends and I can tell you that that group has more than its fair share of criminals...and the things I've witnessed in this group (for some reason they trust me) is appalling!! Grow ops, drug trafficking, arms dealing, swarmings, counterfiet money, counterfeit credit cards, boot legging, "collections", killings; yes whynot your precious asian people do this too....like the asian guy they found a few months ago, hacked into pieces floating in a barrel in lake ontario. But no, us blacks did that too right? Give me a fucking break. BUT I have to give asians credit though...from what I've seen they make outstanding criminals because they have the amazing ability to fly way under the radar consistently. I know for a fact that just because you see a well off asian doesnt mean those riches were all earned legitimately....theres a good chance theres some shadiness in there and your best off to just not ask any questions lest you get indirectly involved.

Yeah you forgot about that stuff right? :rolleyes:



So your wife must be one of those asians that give me and my friends a holier than though dirty look when we are out minding our own business....yeah that scarey group of finance professionals, lawyers and engineers.

fuck you man....
 

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It has been said many times on this Board that young males from these "disadvantaged" communities are good at sports and entertainment and they have BBC's but only a very few can make a living playing basketball or singing rap songs and no one pays you money for having a BBC. So, where does that leave the many who aren't good enough to play in the NBA?
What a jerk. Starts by describing them as 'disadvantaged' then ends by refering to BBCs. I'm sure you think that blacks are only able to entertain you; the only place you've seen them is on TV! Get a life.

Many are:
A) Incarcerated
B) Unemployed
C) Unemployed and living off the avails of their girlfriend
D) Pursuing others forms of criminal activity such as pimping or dealing drugs
E) Many are working for government agencies, or non-profits, but only because they have gotten in due to a "quota" or "equity" system, where the company has some asinine policy about reflecting the diversity of the city, while leaving more qualified candidates without jobs.
I, as well as my family members, don't fit into any of the above. The amount of racisit sentiment in your words is astounding; although you try to pass it as 'social commentary'.

OK this is really beginning to piss me off.

As soon as a black person does something wrong it becomes a convenient commentary on an entire group of people.

Well whynot888...Lets examine the reciprocal.

I have alot of asian friends and I can tell you that that group has more than its fair share of criminals...and the things I've witnessed in this group (for some reason they trust me) is appalling!! Grow ops, drug trafficking, arms dealing, swarmings, counterfiet money, counterfeit credit cards, boot legging, "collections", killings; yes whynot your precious asian people do this too....like the asian guy they found a few months ago, hacked into pieces floating in a barrel in lake ontario. But no, us blacks did that too right? Give me a fucking break. BUT I have to give asians credit though...from what I've seen they make outstanding criminals because they have the amazing ability to fly way under the radar consistently. I know for a fact that just because you see a well off asian doesnt mean those riches were all earned legitimately....theres a good chance theres some shadiness in there and your best off to just not ask any questions lest you get indirectly involved.

Yeah you forgot about that stuff right? :rolleyes:



So your wife must be one of those asians that give me and my friends a holier than though dirty look when we are out minding our own business....yeah that scarey group of finance professionals, lawyers and engineers.

fuck you man....
Yup. I often forget how racisit TERB is. Not in theory, but in practice. But why be surprised? The world at large is quite racist, and Canada is part of the world, Ontario is in Canada, Toronto is in Ontario, and TERB is mainly compossed of people from Toronto and Ontario.

For the most part, they hide their racist until something happens then they boil over. 4 black guys commit a crime and every black male goes on trial for it. Then they pull up links (like this one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...f_victims#Serial_killers_by_number_of_victims).

How come when a white guy commits a crime the same dosen't apply. And boy do they account for a ton of white collar crime, that although non-violent, ruins many lives. The reason they are exempt from this kind of 'treatment' is simple. They own/control the majority of the media and report what they like.

They are.

The problem is the de facto Community Leaders are the gangsters. They give the kids a feeling of belonging and purpose. And the way the "Community Leaders" address their problem is the only way they know how, through intimidation of their fellow blacks into the protection of silence at the end of a gun.
Come outside and experience the world coward.

i'm asian and i totally agree....people in this city are racist as hell...i work in a very white man oriented job and i can tell you,i have yet to meet a white guy who actually likes black people...its like they fear/loathe black men(especially)..you can also add indian/middle eastern people as well to this list...all whiteguys want blacks/browns and asians to kneel down to them and be their bitches.So they can re-live the times when being a whiteman meant you were important and special.
Oh ya. Like the crowd here who swear up and down that this is 'their city'.
 

james t kirk

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i'm asian and i totally agree....people in this city are racist as hell...i work in a very white man oriented job and i can tell you,i have yet to meet a white guy who actually likes black people...its like they fear/loathe black men(especially)..you can also add indian/middle eastern people as well to this list...all whiteguys want blacks/browns and asians to kneel down to them and be their bitches.So they can re-live the times when being a whiteman meant you were important and special.
Blacks will always tell you that the most racist people they encounter are asians.
 
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