Craigslist 'Adult' censored in us

[SSLED]

it's blatant censorship and frankly the unintended consequence of trying to sweep prositution under the carpet as those self righteous Americans would like to do is to create unsafe operating enviroments for the girls....but hey at least the fat white bible toting people will feel better.

The AGS are just wasting their time. There are several of these CL type sites on the web such as www.backpage.com or one of our own advertisers http://www.freepostsite.com/
I don`t have the links handy but there are several others that run off servers based in Eastern Europe where US laws don`t apply.
I am sure there are going to be more coming soon to service the US market. CL is just one of the more visible ones.

 

[oldjones]

So what's the justification for making up the "…Canada likely to follow" part of the title"?

 

[Ceiling Cat]

CL is quietly protesting the shut down of this category by placing the word CENSORED instead of removing the category altogether. There will be more on this matter, they have not given up.

 

[oldjones]

And in Canada no Attorneys-General have any business pressuring CL to drop those ads, because prostitution is legal.

 

[escortsxxx]

Some blow back

Well I doubt Canada will soon to follow, but as Craig makes no money from these ad's I am sure the free part will eventually end, with justification from the American shut down. I mean, clever new yorkers for example may decide that St. Johns Newfoundland is now "New York" and they could move the entire craig list bussiness to St . Johns - its the simplist solution. In the old days before Terb there was a similar system for those in the Know on newsgroups and FTP servers. And with the internet it wont be long before all hobbiest learn the trick - mind you losts of hobbiest never heard of terb so . . . who knows.

In Canada if they remove them, the cops won't know where to look

 

[Ceiling Cat]

In Canada if they remove them, the cops won't know where to look

If the LE was serious, all they have to do is announce that they will be visiting places that they find in the CL Erotic section. That would close things down over night from lack of ads.

 

[mac]

it's blatant censorship and frankly the unintended consequence of trying to sweep prositution under the carpet as those self righteous Americans would like to do is to create unsafe operating enviroments for the girls....but hey at least the fat white bible toting people will feel better.

 

[Fred Zed]

it's blatant censorship and frankly the unintended consequence of trying to sweep prositution under the carpet as those self righteous Americans would like to do is to create unsafe operating enviroments for the girls....but hey at least the fat white bible toting people will feel better.

The AGS are just wasting their time:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/174261/judge_throws_out_craigslist_lawsuit.html

There are several of these CL type sites on the web such as www.backpage.com or one of our own advertisers http://www.freepostsite.com/
I don`t have the links handy but there are several others that run off servers based in Eastern Europe where US laws don`t apply.
I am sure there are going to be more coming soon to service the US market. CL is just one of the more visible ones.

 

[WoodPeckr]

Elections are coming up and this is no more than pandering to the American Taliban, AKA the GOP Religious Right!....

GOPers pander to them for votes. DEMS have to go along because if they don't the bible thumping RR will accuse them of being 'soft' on prostitution and supporting child trafficking.

 

[Cobster]

Elections are coming up and this is no more than pandering to the American Taliban, AKA the GOP Religious Right!....

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lmao!

 

[Aardvark154]

The AGS are just wasting their time:
http://www.pcworld.com/article/174261/judge_throws_out_craigslist_lawsuit.html

Since Craig's List shut off the U.S. Ads, I'm not sure I'd entirely agree with that Fred.

Further FYI, Craig's list had been monitoring the ads more since the Chicago suit, this potentially put them into a more precarious legal position. Also the decision you cite had no mandatory precedence other than in Northern Illinois - entirely possible the ruling could have gone the other way elsewhere.

And as I keep saying, anyone who thinks this is all or even mostly "evil Republicans" or "people running scared of the Tea Party" really isn't paying much attention to "who the enemy is".

 

[Fred Zed]

Since Craig's List shut off the U.S. Ads, I'm not sure I'd entirely agree with that Fred.

Further FYI, Craig's list had been monitoring the ads more since the Chicago suit, this potentially put them into a more precarious legal position. Also the decision you cite had no mandatory precedence other than in Northern Illinois - entirely possible the ruling could have gone the other way elsewhere.

And as I keep saying, anyone who thinks this is all or even mostly "evil Republicans" or "people running scared of the Tea Party" really isn't paying much attention to "who the enemy is".

what are CL doing that that the other adult sites such as Eros, Cityvibe, backpage.com, www.freepostsite.com etc are not doing ?

 

[Aardvark154]

what are CL doing that that the other adult sites such as Eros, Cityvibe, backpage.com, www.freepostsite.com etc are not doing ?

Not being my area of practice I don't know off my own bat. I can only repeat what the professonal blogs are saying. Perhaps Fros, Cityvibe etc. . . are in entirely the same position as Craig's List I do know that the position of Craig's List has changed.

 

[Aardvark154]

That's why Obama and company are pushing like mad for the internet "off" switch. It'll be a very, very different world if they eventually prevail, under the guise of Homeland Security.

This is the old question of how far can I go in teasing the bear before it decides to eat me.

In fact as you doubtless already know, Australia has already done this.

 

[Fred Zed]

Not being my area of practice I don't know off my own bat. I can only repeat what the professonal blogs are saying. Perhaps Fros, Cityvibe etc. . . are in entirely the same position as Craig's List I do know that the position of Craig's List has changed.

CL have not been sued by the AGS, CNN legal correspondent was just on the air, he also thinks AGS would mostly likely lose if they sued CL. Internet laws in the US are such that website
owner is not legally liable for postings at his site.
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http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/06/technology/06craigslist.html
The law has been on Craigslist’s side. The federal Communications Decency Act protects Web sites against liability for what their users post on the sites. And last year, the efforts of attorneys general were stymied when a federal judge blocked South Carolina’s attorney general from prosecuting Craigslist executives for listings that resulted in prostitution arrests.

 

[Fred Zed]

However the problem here is that CL seperated it's so called adult ads from it's personal ads and some wonder if that action indicates that they have knowledge of the illegal activity or should have known their actions (CL) would lead to illegal activities. A lot of people here tend to forget that laws and rights are not in place to further criminal endeavors.

That is not a crime, newspapers and other internet sites do the same ?

 

[Aardvark154]

That is not a crime, newspapers and other internet sites do the same ?

What distinguishes it from Dart v. Craigslist, Inc (the Chicago case you mentioned yesterday) is that after that case was brought, Craigslist seperated it's "Erotic" from its personal ads. This legally changed the playing field and makes it more likely that a jury would find that Craigslist should have known their actions would lead to illegal activities instead of being an unknowing "soap box" where illegal activity was discussed.

Hence, to what extent are the other newspapers and internet sites like Craigslist before Dart, or are they more like Craigslist after Dart.

 

[dCaveman]

Americans are a creative and resourceful bunch. The CL fiasco is a minor inconvenience and more interesting opportunities will emerge very soon (there are many interesting other alternatives already).

 

[Sniper Jr.]

Better put the "... Canada likely to follow" back in the title:

http://www.ctv.ca/CTVNews/Canada/20100907/rcmp-pushes-craigslist-100907/

 

[Fred Zed]

I think you are missing my point .... it really doesn't matter how many org. have seperated adult ads from personal ads the question before the US Congress does that act indicate a knowledge of criminal activity or should they know that activity would lead to further criminal behaviour. CL may simply be the whipping boy because it is the largest and has had some really bad press that will make passing legislation on regulations for the Industry easier.

I recall earlier this decade how the Bush Administration got around Larry Flynt's first admendment victory on porn ... they simply enacted very tough regulations around record keeping that everyone has to have in place or face draconian fines and/or jail terms.

Clearly CL has no self regulation or they wouldn't have taken the ads down ... ads that I might add are very profitable to them. While CL maynot be prosecuted for these ads at this time, it's becoming clear to them at least that they will be forced to do due diligence that might make the business unprofitable. Look clearly there is a problem ... CL cannot ignore the fact that there has been a number of cases of their clients doing terrible things ... the US Congress has every right to see what can be done so that criminals can't use a large media outlet to further their crimes.

I know about the NOW case in Canada and it would be difficult to overturn that decission, however the internet and laws concerning it are in the infancy stage and it would be foolish to think that this could not be looked at again based on what is illegal in Canada. Again this could be done by regulation ... for instance if the word "young" is used in an ad, the publisher maybe forced to get satisfactory ID from their client of the individual advertised (just a guess not fact so lets not get jumpy here)

My only point is that what happens in the US on this will have an effect ... it always does. Sites that penetrate the US market and raise funds there will also be effected.

Bottom line ... it really doesn't matter how many others are doing something. What might be legal now might not be legal tomorrow.


kf1

kf1: CL started charging for ads quite recently as a monitoring tool! The revenue the ads were generating were just a by-product of this process. However, at this point CL have the legal upper hand. Please keep in mind they have not yet stated what they intend to do. For all we know, they could restore the ads.
And I don't think Congress is about to rewrite US Internet Law. This is all political. In any event the US adult entertainment market can be serviced very well from other parts of the world.
Any changes in US internet Law would probably not have much effect in practical terms.

http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2010/09/07...dult-services-ads-and-steer-clear-of-trouble/
Since the passage of Section 230, said Ardia, courts have carved out little exception to the general rule that website owners will stay avoid liability when third-parties use the sites to post otherwise possibly actionable material. Even when plaintiffs alleged that people running a site knew that illegal behavior was going on, the law still provided a shield.

Therefore, he said, “it’s very unlikely that Craigslist would face liability” in the current situation. “If Craigslist were putting up the stuff itself, it’d be a different story. But that’s not the way Craigslist works.”
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They can absolutely keep it up. The law is pretty crystal clear on this,” said M. Ryan Calo, a senior research fellow at the Stanford Law School’s Center for Internet & Society, to the NYT. “What’s happened here is the states’ attorneys general, having failed to win in court and in litigation, have decided to revisit this in the court of public opinion, and in the court of public opinion, they have been much more successful.”
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http://www.theatlantic.com/science/archive/2010/09/in-defense-of-craigslist/62624/