WTF? Goldman bans email profanity

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Goldman Sachs workers are likely wondering WTF is appropriate anymore after the New York investment bank informed employees that profanity is no longer acceptable in electronic messages.

The bank has been verbally telling employees that a whole host of words are no longer allowed to be used in correspondence, the Wall Street Journal reported Thursday. The move comes in the wake of the bank being raked over the coals for one employee's well-publicized use of the word "shitty" to describe investment deals it was selling to clients.

At a U.S. Senate hearing into the causes of the subprime mortgage crisis in April, regulators took issue with Goldman executive Tom Montag's email describing a transaction the firm was working on: "Boy, that Timberwolf was one shitty deal," the email read.

Michigan Democratic Sen. Carl Levin lambasted the firm for its cavalier attitude. While the focus was on the bank's selling of assets it knew were toxic, not its use of profanity, the bank is now cracking down on the language that helped add to the negative publicity about it.

It is not clear what the punishment for breaking the rule might be, but software will be installed to monitor the email accounts of all 34,000 Goldman employees from now on.

"Of course, we have policies about the use of appropriate language, and we are always looking for ways to ensure that they are enforced," a Goldman spokesperson was quoted as saying.

Under the new regime, Montag would have been unable to send the email that attracted so much attention, as the message would have been undeliverable. Even phrases with asterisks in place of key letters are verboten in the new system.

Stock exchanges also restrict profanity

While blanket disclosure policies are commonplace at businesses in the digital age, the move toward more propriety is particularly significant in the financial industry, which has long been known for flaring tempers in the trading pit.

Most major stock exchanges moved to rein in profane language after cable news networks began broadcasting from the trading floor several years ago. CME Group, which owns the world's largest futures and options exchange, specifically bans the "use of profane, obscene or unbusinesslike language on the trading floor."

Violators face fines of up to $20,000 US per infraction. Rules 476(a)(7) and 401 of the New York Stock Exchange's code of conduct allows for fines of tens of thousands of dollars for "indecorous" language on the trading floor in New York.

TMX Corp., owners of the Toronto Stock Exchange, did not reply to a request for comment on the exchange's profanity policy.

Several Bay Street firms already employ software to weed out controversial phrases, making it impossible to send out an email with a profanity. It's believed money manger Canaccord Genuity goes as far as making it impossible to forward any email that contains the words "for internal use only," but a spokesman at the firm was unavailable for comment on the issue.

Royal Bank of Canada likewise did not reply to a request for comment on the profanity policy at Canada's largest bank, but the practice is already in place at major U.S. financial firms.

Citigroup Inc. and J.P. Morgan Chase & Co. have policies against using certain profane language in company emails while Morgan Stanley has a language policy but it is not restricted to profanity, the Journal reported.

In 2003, Merrill Lynch & Co. analyst Henry Blodget famously described a company as a "p.o.s." in an email communication. He later accepted a lifetime ban from the securities industry for disparaging companies in private that he was publicly recommending.


Read more: http://www.cbc.ca/money/story/2010/07/29/goldman-sachs-swearing.html#ixzz0v6HTdpff
 

fun-guy

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Sounds like you have a problem with their decision. I find it most appropriate, other companies should follow their lead.
 

jdarks

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Yes, we should all follow their lead and steal, lie and cheat others out of their money, that is the North American way!
 

Kilgore Trout

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The problem is Goldman Sachs is constantly monitored and surveiled by regulatory bodies like the SEC and the SEC can demand copies of all email communications of any one person or of a whole department at any time.

Plus GS is always the target of litigation by miscellaneous entities and they too can get a court order for all email generated by certain GS employee(s). And if the employee has profane emails these can be read out in open court and generate headlines in Wall Street Journal or New York Times that the company would rather avoid.

So, policy makes sense. If employees are writing emails they should assume that they are talking to 1,000 people at street level.
If they want to talk to a fellow GS employee about some stripper they saw at the strip joint the night before they should use a private google (gmail) account and send it the private gmail account of their buddy. Avoid official Goldman Sachs email accounts like the plague for stuff like that.

If I were a Goldman Sachs employee I would assume that every single company email I generate is going to be read out in open court someday.
 

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The problem is Goldman Sachs is constantly monitored and surveiled by regulatory bodies like the SEC and the SEC can demand copies of all email communications of any one person or of a whole department at any time.

Plus GS is always the target of litigation by miscellaneous entities and they too can get a court order for all email generated by certain GS employee(s). And if the employee has profane emails these can be read out in open court and generate headlines in Wall Street Journal or New York Times that the company would rather avoid.

So, policy makes sense. If employees are writing emails they should assume that they are talking to 1,000 people at street level.
If they want to talk to a fellow GS employee about some stripper they saw at the strip joint the night before they should use a private google (gmail) account and send it the private gmail account of their buddy. Avoid official Goldman Sachs email accounts like the plague for stuff like that.

If I were a Goldman Sachs employee I would assume that every single company email I generate is going to be read out in open court someday.
Not to steal your thunder Kilgore, but it goes deeper than that - the problem here is that people have forgotten that you should treat company email the sameway we treat ANY formal business communication. You wouldn't send someone a formal letter describing a business decision as "shitty" and you shouldn't do it in an email. People seem to forget that business email is forever and that under Sarbanes-Oxley it can be demanded and examined. A business email should not be like a conversation between water-cooler buddies.

I am surprised that Goldman Sachs did not already have a firm written policy and training in place on just this issue. My company, which is a multi-national US-based company that trades on the NY Stock market had training programs instituted even before Enron. Employees are required to review the training programs on a semi-annual basis. There is no such thing as "I didn't know..."
 

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So, now when GS executives are fucking people over, they can't describe it as such in their internal communications? Ah, progress.
 

Rockslinger

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Our company's email system has a filter to screen out "undesirable" words. I used the word "homologue" once and got a computer generated warning.

BTW: Our company also has a "no hugging" policy.
 

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I am amazed at what people send in emails. FW: stupid fucking jokes and worthless BS. Wouldn't even want that crap on my personal computer let alone a business computer. It's just a waste of time and effort.
 

fun-guy

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Yes, we should all follow their lead and steal, lie and cheat others out of their money, that is the North American way!
We're all aware of that, nothing new. The company has to turn things around, including public view of them so they are making thousands of policy changes within their company, this is only one minor one. There are many cost reductions they have put in place, to you and me it might sound ridiculous that they had certain benefits in the first place but all companies in this industry do the same, ie. pay for dry cleaning, meals, transportation, etc... when travelling, but no more!

They have a long way to go to turn around their image of being fat cats, but they have to start somewhere and keep adding, not vouching for them, it's just reality. I know several business associates in that company.
 
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