'Black Bloc' are undercover police operatives...At Tax Payer's Expense

[randygirl]

I'm not sure I believe it. I do have to ask this though .Why does everything that may mean that people who have economic and political power in this world would go to some level to maintain it automatically become a "conspiracy therory"?

We all manipulate situations on some level. Is it really that much of a stretch to assume that people with alot of power who want to keep it would not try and manipulate certain events to their own advantage.?

I know, I know....tinfoil hat..gotcha

It can only turn out to the advantage of the authorities to have a peaceful protest turn into a riot. The tide of public opinion then swings in favor of LE and government rule, their spending on all this security is validated, the protesters are portrayed as villains, AND it gives LE an excuse to use forceful tactics when they would not have been able to due to an otherwise peaceful protest.

How many threads have we seen over the past couple of days, "These protesters make me sick", blah blah blah...If that is the ONLY objective these tactics attain, it would STILL be well worth it to employ this strateguy. Based on how much dissent towards protesters I see on this board alone, I would have to think that this strategy is an invaluable tool, for this reason as well as for others.

This theory is not far fetched.

Putting on my tinfoil hat now.

 

[Aardvark154]

Putting on my tinfoil hat now.

Regretably I'm sorry to say that you probably should since the rays seemingly have affected you.

 

[randygirl]

Regretably I'm sorry to say that you probably should since the rays seemingly have affected you.

I am not saying all authorities were using Black Bloc tactics, but it is not difficult for a few well positioned persons of the LE persuasion to fuel those fires.

Seeing as those participating in Black Bloc are pretty freakin' conspicuous, why are they allowed into protests? I would think it would be quite easy to detain those dressed in all black until after rallies are over, yet that isn't happening. I wonder why?

Those who participate in Black Bloc tactics are a minority of protesters that take away the legitimacy of others who are peacefully demonstrating for their causes. Something should be done about them, but isn't.

 

[Never Compromised]

In this country we should never forget that Our Finest were quite happy to commit arson against private property to enhance their credibilty as saboteurs in the organizations they were infiltrating. And quite ready to deny it repeatedly to 'us', even under oath. No reason to believe cops, or their strategies and tactics have changed that much.

I believe you are referring to the RCMP's Security Service, which was disbanded after the incident involving the barn was brought to light. A perfect example of why the police would not repeat the same mistake.

There is a huge difference between a fixed domestic organization, and the BB which is nothing more than a motley group of anarchists that have a very fluid membership and raison d'être.

The BB are nothing more than a weekend headline and have not accomplished SFA in the years since the "Battle in Seattle". The police and intelligence agencies do not consider them a long term credible threat and as such no one would waste resources in the manner the conspiracy theorists are suggesting.

 

[Brill]

Riiight. This proves what? The wannabe rebels that walk around downtown with their Che shirts on probably couldn't even tell you who he was or where he was from.

That's exactly what a cop amongst us would say.

 

[randygirl]

I believe you are referring to the RCMP's Security Service, which was disbanded after the incident involving the barn was brought to light. A perfect example of why the police would not repeat the same mistake.

Or a perfect example of why not to get caught.

Except they have been caught, doing this exact thing, at other protests in the past.

 

[Never Compromised]

It can only turn out to the advantage of the authorities to have a peaceful protest turn into a riot. The tide of public opinion then swings in favor of LE and government rule, their spending on all this security is validated, the protesters are portrayed as villains, AND it gives LE an excuse to use forceful tactics when they would not have been able to due to an otherwise peaceful protest.

How many threads have we seen over the past couple of days, "These protesters make me sick", blah blah blah...If that is the ONLY objective these tactics attain, it would STILL be well worth it to employ this strateguy. Based on how much dissent towards protesters I see on this board alone, I would have to think that this strategy is an invaluable tool, for this reason as well as for others.

This theory is not far fetched.

Putting on my tinfoil hat now.

I think your hat went on too late, and is too tight and cutting off circulation.

Let me assure you that the powers that be have much more important things to worry about, and much larger fish to fry than the BB and what anyone thinks about a police response to the riots.

The people that think that the protestors are a waste of skin held that opinion long ago. Those that think the protestors are bringing an important issue forward held that opinion long before this summit. In short, the positions are already fixed and there is very little movement in public opinion between 2 months ago, a week ago, yesterday and today.

The "strategy" that you have suggested is not one that is in place. Trust me, the "political operatives" like Guy Giorno understand public opinion much better than you seem to and understand that a successful strategy is not made by creating a riot and then running to the rescue.

 

[randygirl]

Let me assure you that the powers that be have much more important things to worry about, and much larger fish to fry than the BB and what anyone thinks about a police response to the riots.

I do not think there could be any bigger fish to fry then the public's opinion, and the people who make up their constituencies in general. To me, there is nothing more important to a politician than what the public thinks, and how to rally public opinion to their cause (s). Or, conversely, to take the favor of public opinion away from the causes of others.

In one fell swoop, every protester is painted with the same brush...that is quite the coup.

 

[Never Compromised]

Seeing as those participating in Black Bloc are pretty freakin' conspicuous, why are they allowed into protests? I would think it would be quite easy to detain those dressed in all black until after rallies are over, yet that isn't happening. I wonder why?

Well, you got your wish. Today the police detained and/or arrested anyone wearing black, having a bandana or looking at all "suspicious".

Julian Fantino was asked the same question you have floated, about why not being more proactive and wading into the crowd to arrest those in black. His answer was surprisingly restrained for someone that has little tolerance for disorder and distain for civil liberties.

 

[Never Compromised]

Seeing as those participating in Black Bloc are pretty freakin' conspicuous, why are they allowed into protests? I would think it would be quite easy to detain those dressed in all black until after rallies are over, yet that isn't happening. I wonder why?

Well, you got your wish. Today the police detained and/or arrested anyone wearing black, having a bandana or looking at all "suspicious".

Julian Fantino was asked the same question you have floated, about why not being more proactive and wading into the crowd to arrest those in black. His answer was surprisingly restrained for someone that has little tolerance for disorder and distain for civil liberties.

 

[Moraff]

I do not think there could be any bigger fish to fry then the public's opinion, and the people who make up their constituencies in general. To me, there is nothing more important to a politician than what the public thinks, and how to rally public opinion to their cause (s).

Oh really? Then why, given all the public resistance to the GST we still got it, and now again there's all the hoopla regarding the HST and does the gov still appear to be working completely opposite to your theory?......

I'll grant you that the OSTTB and the OSTC pmts are not much more than an attempt to garner votes tho'.

 

[dcbogey]

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Julian Fantino was asked the same question you have floated, about why not being more proactive and wading into the crowd to arrest those in black. His answer was surprisingly restrained for someone that has little tolerance for disorder and distain for civil liberties.

Unless of course you happen to be from a First Nation, then all bets are off.

 

[fuji]

Seeing as those participating in Black Bloc are pretty freakin' conspicuous, why are they allowed into protests? I would think it would be quite easy to detain those dressed in all black until after rallies are over, yet that isn't happening. I wonder why?

Fortunately or unfortunately we live in a democracy an the reality is that people have a right to walk down the street in black clothing, masks, burkas, or what have you.

Those who participate in Black Bloc tactics are a minority of protesters that take away the legitimacy of others who are peacefully demonstrating for their causes. Something should be done about them, but isn't.

The question is, why do they other protesters go along with it? The black bloc guys rely on the other protesters not detaining them and turning them over to the police, or at the very least pointing them out to the police.

They commit a crime and then run and hide in the crowd. Why does the crowd allow them to hide? Why doesn't someone in the crowd grab them as they try and run back, and hand them over to the cops?

 

[Rockslinger]

Of course, firefighters start fires.

 

[dcbogey]

It can only turn out to the advantage of the authorities to have a peaceful protest turn into a riot. The tide of public opinion then swings in favor of LE and government rule, their spending on all this security is validated, the protesters are portrayed as villains, AND it gives LE an excuse to use forceful tactics when they would not have been able to due to an otherwise peaceful protest.

How many threads have we seen over the past couple of days, "These protesters make me sick", blah blah blah...If that is the ONLY objective these tactics attain, it would STILL be well worth it to employ this strateguy. Based on how much dissent towards protesters I see on this board alone, I would have to think that this strategy is an invaluable tool, for this reason as well as for others.

This theory is not far fetched.

Putting on my tinfoil hat now.

Public opinion turned against the black bloq, regardless of the police response. That fact alone pretty much shoots that theory out of the water.

Please tell me you think some of the strikers on the lines at Inco are police plants as well. Although it wouldn't surprise me if you thought that.....

 

[dcbogey]

I am not saying all authorities were using Black Bloc tactics, but it is not difficult for a few well positioned persons of the LE persuasion to fuel those fires.

Seeing as those participating in Black Bloc are pretty freakin' conspicuous, why are they allowed into protests? I would think it would be quite easy to detain those dressed in all black until after rallies are over, yet that isn't happening. I wonder why?

Those who participate in Black Bloc tactics are a minority of protesters that take away the legitimacy of others who are peacefully demonstrating for their causes. Something should be done about them, but isn't.

You obviously don't understand the black bloc technique - dress in black, run out, destroy property, run back, strip off the black and blend in. Effective and difficult to guard against, since we can't arrest someone before they break the law.

 

[basketcase]

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Seeing as those participating in Black Bloc are pretty freakin' conspicuous, why are they allowed into protests? I would think it would be quite easy to detain those dressed in all black until after rallies are over, yet that isn't happening. I wonder why?
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1) Canada allows peaceful protest and as long as the protesters have been peaceful, the police have let them do their thing. Our police seem to be doing their best not to act unless laws are broken.

2) How exactly are the regular normal protesters supposed to prevent these armed thugs from taking part?

I do agree that the thug blog are most damaging to the legitimate protesters. Maybe next time there will be a large group of people protesting the fake anarchist punks.

 

[randygirl]

The question is, why do they other protesters go along with it? The black bloc guys rely on the other protesters not detaining them and turning them over to the police, or at the very least pointing them out to the police.

They commit a crime and then run and hide in the crowd. Why does the crowd allow them to hide? Why doesn't someone in the crowd grab them as they try and run back, and hand them over to the cops?

They don't need to be pointed out by other protesters. Why would we have thousands of police officers there if not for this purpose? You are going to say that they shed their clothes and hide in the crowd, but as these tactics have been seen before, that should come as no surprise to the police, either.

They are definitely showing a lot more restraint than most people would, but it makes me wonder if that restraint being shown is advantageous to their agenda.

 

[Rockslinger]

Blame it on the defense lawyers. They must see a goldmine in these BB vandals and maybe greased the wheels a bit. Maybe?

 

[randygirl]

You obviously don't understand the black bloc technique - dress in black, run out, destroy property, run back, strip off the black and blend in. Effective and difficult to guard against, since we can't arrest someone before they break the law.

Yes, I understand it completely. It's not brain surgery.