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JohnLarue

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I am not sure if a genuine Marxist state - where there is no ruling class but a society genuinely run by the people for the people- is possible or what it would look like but neither do you so do not close your mind

Capitalism may well be the best because everything else is worse so it wins by default

But how can we know if the USA destroys any social attempt to develop alternatives ? They do this with boycotts, the special forces and if need be the armed forces even when there is no threat

They have destroyed several DEMOCRACIES they disagreed with and I am more informed than most when I state that several wonderful and advanced societies existed before the forces of capitalism and colonialism took over and crushed them

Read some Chomsky

And yes, any major social change will cause violence as those in power refuse to share that is why they used the guillotine during the French revolution - to stop the landowners from taking back control


And yes I applaud those honest hard working money changers as they induce the flow of capitol that is the lifeblood of capitalism
More whining and complaining.
What did you do today to contribute to your country's economy?

Do not embrace these commie thoughts too closely until you have lived the actual nightmare of a commie social system and wonder where your basic right to whine and complain went.
 

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What a crock of BS you peddle Frenchy!

So anyone who opposes your cockamamie why of thinking is a commie now?!?!?
You are a delusional piece of work....:rolleyes:
 

JohnLarue

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What a crock of BS you peddle Frenchy!

So anyone who opposes your cockamamie why of thinking is a commie now?!?!?
You are a delusional piece of work....:rolleyes:
Oh that hurts so much coming from you
The value of your opinion is not worth a bucket of piss
Read what he said
He wants to change the economic system to the betterment of the masses relative to the rich
Now where have we heard that before
Oh yes it was Russia in the 1920 s
How did that turn out?
 

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Oh that hurts so much coming from you
The value of your opinion is not worth a bucket of piss
Read what he said
He wants to change the economic system to the betterment of the masses relative to the rich
Now where have we heard that before
Oh yes it was Russia in the 1920 s
How did that turn out?
+1

BTW, John, all the best for your quest to be CFA. :cool:
 

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No, they are an important risk management tool... anyone who doesn't understand that doesn't know enough about it to listen to.

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Oh that hurts so much coming from you
The value of your opinion is not worth a bucket of piss
Read what he said
He wants to change the economic system to the betterment of the masses relative to the rich
Now where have we heard that before
Oh yes it was Russia in the 1920 s
How did that turn out?
While you shill/drone on for the 'Haves & the Have Mores'.....

If Jesus came back you would nail him to the cross AGAIN for preaching that commie/socialistic crap He did!....:rolleyes:

bottie would hold the nails while you hammer them in!
 

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Oh that hurts so much coming from you

He wants to change the economic system to the betterment of the masses relative to the rich
Now where have we heard that before
Oh yes it was Russia in the 1920 s
How did that turn out?
That is not what I said

I said the USA and capitalistic forces should not go into countries that are of no threat to us because they (our ruling classes) do not like them

I also said is what we believe is inculcated into us from above

As to whether there is a better social concept than capitalism I do not know but I am not afaid to keep an open mind even though I am well aware of Russia which was a non Marxist state as they had a ruling elite

BTW, Marx never said what a socialist state would look as he did not believe in dictatorship so I say let the other countries (like Cuba, Chile etc ) experiment and we can watch and learn
 

JohnLarue

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What a crock of BS you peddle Frenchy!

So anyone who opposes your cockamamie why of thinking is a commie now?!?!?
You are a delusional piece of work....:rolleyes:
Thats not always the case.
I would have to label you as a moron long before calling you a commie
However you can wear either label with distinction
 

JohnLarue

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BTW, Marx never said what a socialist state would look as he did not believe in dictatorship so I say let the other countries (like Cuba, Chile etc ) experiment and we can watch and learn
BTW, the experiment only works if the entire world goes commie.
For someone who is so concerned about social issues , you seem to feel it is OK for basic human rights to be trampled on so that you can watch and learn.

This little experiment has resulted in a Cuban economy that is a mess.
The average Cuban is not allowed to leave their country to travel.
If you lived there your natural predisposition to question the status quo would result in you being locked up
If you lived in North Korea, you would be probably have been executed
 

JohnLarue

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While you shill/drone on for the 'Haves & the Have Mores'.....

If Jesus came back you would nail him to the cross AGAIN for preaching that commie/socialistic crap He did!....:rolleyes:

bottie would hold the nails while you hammer them in!
Careful,
Injecting religion into a subject will only muddy the waters.

Just because you failed in life, does not give you the right to limit others who are willing to educate themselves, work hard and trying to achieve their goals.

Before you have an aneurysm, yes there are some who have accomplished this outside of the laws.
They will be dealt with

If you do not like the way things are , move to Havana or North Korea
(I will kick in some travel $ if it gets you off this board)
Although, I will warn you, they lock up (or shoot ) loud-mouth know-it-alls who do not fall into line
 

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Careful,
Injecting religion into a subject will only muddy the waters.

Just because you failed in life, does not give you the right to limit others who are willing to educate themselves, work hard and trying to achieve their goals.

Before you have an aneurysm, yes there are some who have accomplished this outside of the laws.
They will be dealt with

If you do not like the way things are , move to Havana or North Korea
(I will kick in some travel $ if it gets you off this board)
Although, I will warn you, they lock up (or shoot ) loud-mouth know-it-alls who do not fall into line
Just to give you a heads up that I made the identical relocation suggestion in another thread

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?288965-Latest-Foxconn-suicide-comes-after-visit-by-boss

Needless to say, Woody probably pissed off his fellow left wing so much that they probably figured out he`s "toxic", a liability to their moderate cause and shun him out of their circle before he found this forum as a new "home" for his verbal diarrhea 8 years ago. :rolleyes:
 

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BTW, the experiment only works if the entire world goes commie.
For someone who is so concerned about social issues , you seem to feel it is OK for basic human rights to be trampled on so that you can watch and learn.

This little experiment has resulted in a Cuban economy that is a mess.
The average Cuban is not allowed to leave their country to travel.
If you lived there your natural predisposition to question the status quo would result in you being locked up
If you lived in North Korea, you would be probably have been executed
The whole world does not have to go commie if they are left alone was Marxs' belief but he felt capitalistic forces would not leave them alone

North Korea is not Marxist in any way or shape and I have conflicting views on Cuba (because of severe economic boycotts) but you are right about their rights abuse particularly towards gays

I could state examples of "commie" states that were working until outside forces came in and took control but these are not discussed by our press or our history books or known by you

If you want to topple oppressive states Saudia Arabia is a fine place to start as they are worse than Sadam ever was but they are our economic ally so they are the good guys (only until they turn off the spigot)

Dictatorships ? I agree we should help those oppressed by dictatorships but when "commie" states are freely elected ??? Democracies have been crushed by capitalistic forces because our ruling class did not like them and it is democracies that I believe in
 

JohnLarue

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Dictatorships ? I agree we should help those oppressed by dictatorships but when "commie" states are freely elected ??? ]
Can you name one where the commies were elected & then held another truly free and fair election?

Commie party election turns into a dictatorship as sure as night follows day.
 

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Since you fear commies so, why do all those Corporatist goofs you pal around with all jump in bed with them commies in RED China so.... as sure as night follows day?....:p
 

JohnLarue

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Since you fear commies so, why do all those Corporatist goofs you pal around with all jump in bed with them commies in RED China so.... as sure as night follows day?....:p
???????

I really do not know the exact motivation that each and every CEO might prefer for wanting to do business with China, but perhaps the idea of 1.5 Billion new customers for their products might have something to do with it.

A question for you

Are you naturally that stupid or do you have to work hard to achieve your current level as a supreme imbecile?

I guess we can count on you to provide something foolish, as sure as night follows day
 

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I really do not know the exact motivation that each and every CEO might prefer for wanting to do business with China, but perhaps the idea of 1.5 Billion new customers for their products might have something to do with it.
Frenchy, you have to be one of the most stupid corporate bootlicking imbeciles on this board to even delude that!!!!

Just how many of those workers at Foxconn Technology Group factory in southern China, who are committing suicide, will be able to even purchase the products they make as neo-serfs as they are being exploited making 50-65 cents/hour??? Everything they build is shipped out of RED China because they will never be able to afford buying them.
 

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Can you name one where the commies were elected & then held another truly free and fair election?

Commie party election turns into a dictatorship as sure as night follows day.
Can a Marxist state avoid a ruling class takeover is the big question

One can argue it is the outside forces of rival ruling classes that force such a takeover but I have not studied this problem enough to know but neither have you as our school system does not teach unbiased history
 

JohnLarue

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Can a Marxist state avoid a ruling class takeover is the big question

One can argue it is the outside forces of rival ruling classes that force such a takeover but I have not studied this problem enough to know but neither have you as our school system does not teach unbiased history
I do not need to study this problem
And the big question is not if
Can a Marxist state avoid a ruling class takeover
Historically the commies have killed, imprisoned or exiled anyone with wealth or land.

The question you need to focus on is what happens to the rights and freedoms you take for granted when the commies gain power
If you allow a commie govt to gain control, you had better be real comfortable with living in that world, because it will be the last time you have any input on who governs you.
They do not give up power as per the will of the people, historically it has been the will of the armed forces and often its quite a bloody affair.

An alternative for you to consider is to stop focusing on trying to change the system of govt and devote you efforts to working within the system to make incremental changes which you feel would be for the better.

Talk of radical change to the financial systems mixed in with Marxest quotes and ideology makes people nervous and dilutes any well-intended message and ideas you may have
Translation: If you sound like a commie, no-one gives your ideas any credibility and you are viewed with suspicion.
The thought being that any wealth I have built up over years of hard work will be re-distributed as you see fit.
No Thank You
 

JohnLarue

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Frenchy, you have to be one of the most stupid corporate bootlicking imbeciles on this board to even delude that!!!!

Just how many of those workers at Foxconn Technology Group factory in southern China, who are committing suicide, will be able to even purchase the products they make as neo-serfs as they are being exploited making 50-65 cents/hour??? Everything they build is shipped out of RED China because they will never be able to afford buying them.
What is happening at Foxconn is tragic.
I hope all Chinese are able to improve their standard of living.

However if you think that that incident negates the demand potential of China and the desire for companies to get into that market, then words like imbecile, moron and supreme fool do not begin to describe your level of stupidity.

March Car sales were up 63% in China
http://247wallst.com/2010/04/11/car-sales-in-china-the-industrys-salvation-rise-63-in-march/

Luxury items sales were up 12%
http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...e-12-pc-in-2009-study/articleshow/5144394.cms

It appears again you have no clue what your talking about a many Chinese are able to buy products
Sure a slow down here and there,(that happens when you grow exponentially) but there is long term demand in China and any CEO who does not recognize and act on this is not earning his pay.

Another couple of questions for you

Do you ever get tired of being wrong?
Do you really enjoy playing the fool?
Why do you continue to look for a battle of witts when you are so obviously unarmed
Why do you continue to call me frenchy, after I have corrected you on this fact at least a dozen times?
I am not French
Can you not process simple facts and information?
 

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What is happening at Foxconn is tragic.
I hope all Chinese are able to improve their standard of living.

However if you think that that incident negates the demand potential of China and the desire for companies to get into that market, then words like imbecile, moron and supreme fool do not begin to describe your level of stupidity.
You ain't seen nothing yet when Woody starts his diatribe on the following, accusing the network known to be biased promoting mostly his favorite, left wing agendas for committing "Blasphemy", i.e. showing something positive on in his words Red China. :rolleyes:

http://money.cnn.com/2010/05/06/news/international/china_america_full.fortune/index.htm

It appears again you have no clue what your talking about a many Chinese are able to buy products Sure a slow down here and there,(that happens when you grow exponentially) but there is long term demand in China and any CEO who does not recognize and act on this is not earning his pay.
Hmm....it's pretty obvious that based on Woody's "logic", he considers Bob Kinnear or Buzz Hargrove of the world as role models, while any CEO is considered less than "human".
 
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