Belgium bans the burqa, chador, and hijab.
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Western men have royally fucked themselves in the ass with all these ideas of gender equality etc. We live in a country of Overvalued Vaginas.
So whatever helps to stop the pussy-whipping of western men seems to be the good news to me.
Yeah, but I look at feminism as a transition period, I'm sure it'll pass the more dudes figure out what the fucks going on. Gender equality however shouldn't be gender sameness, and I think that's what feminism is trying to do too much. But the middle east just sucks as a whole, so anything's better then the shit they pull. Like killing a girl because she showed too much skin.
In some cultures they use to sacrifice virgins, until the "White Man" put a stop to it.
That must me the White Man who once got so frustrated with the ugly women that populate British Islands that he jumped on his boat and conquered half the world
LOL! My memory is not perfect but I think it was the Spanish when they landed in the "New World". Spain wasn't always one of the PIGS, they use to be the wealthest country on the planet.
if this country had been conquered by the Spanish, chances are our women now would make fucking eye contact on the streets
A hypothetical story, just for you for Old Jones.
Law passed in Belguim and Canada ( " France to follow at later date" ) today no person is to allow to wear a Muslim nijab in public. Teenager Muslim girl wants to goes outside in public. Muslim Dad says to daughter “you have to wear a nijab it's a Muslim religion requirement. If you don't wear a nijab I will disown you. All rest of our Muslim relative in Saudi Arabia will will speak ill of US? You will bring shame to the family. I will kick you out into the street. Then you will have no family support. You will be uneducated and become a beggar or a drug user. ” Daughter replied, “Dad it against the law in Canada today ("see today Belguim law") to wear a nijab. The Toronto ("Belguim" ) police will arrest me for breaking the law. Dad you do not want me to go to jail.” So Muslim Dad relents let her go outside in public without wearing a nijab.
Meanwhile when she comes home, she wears a nijab to make her parent happy. This proof to them she is a good Muslim girl. Everyday she goes out unveilled with her non Muslim High school friend she able to conform with her fellow school mate. She does not get discrimated by some of her bigoted schoolmates who thinks all muslim are fucking terrorist and they do not know her true background. Her fellow school mates figures she just an average white teenage girl love listening to Britney Spear's. The teenage Muslem girl does not commit sucide due to discrimination from her fellow school mates or suffer major depression.
Remember High School Old Jones lot of peer pressure from fellow school mates.
She grows up and graduated from high school. Then goes to university and then get a university degree and find a good job. She leaves the nest and tells the Muslim dad to fuck off. She gets married to a non muslim jewish man or a lesbian muslim woman who don't believe in wearing nijab or burke , just to pissed of the dad and live happly after relocating to unknown location
P.S. By the way Gay marriage is recognized in Toronto.
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Im not going to call you a racist, but I do disagree with some things in your post.
The Burqa is definitely incompatible with the basic security and the situation the world is in today, therefore, the burqa should be banned .
The hijab, or head scarf, in my opinion should not be banned, and the fact that they are doing that is ridiculous. However, I don't care because i'm not living in Belgium or France, and I wouldn't either.
Canada is a country that respects and welcomes people from all backgrounds and religions. To allow all and any religions to practice their beliefs in Canada is outstanding..
Banning of the hijab or (head scarf) is too extreme in my opinion, as it doesnt hide the face and therefore, should not be banned as it poses no security issue.
For those who agree with the banning of the head scarf, in my opinion are people with very little to zero common sense and respect for other religions. But then again, thats just my personal opinion and everyone on this forum is entitiled to that.
Brave Saudi housewife set to win Arabic X Factor after blistering attack on hardline Muslim clerics on live TV
By Mail Foreign Service
Last updated at 9:17 PM on 31st March 2010
A brave Saudi housewife has reached the final of the Arabic version of the X Factor after lashing out at hardline Muslim clerics on live TV.
Wearing a black burkha, mother-of-four Hissa Hilal delivered a blistering poem against Muslim preachers 'who sit in the position of power' but are 'frightening' people with their fatwas, or religious edicts, and 'preying like a wolf' on those seeking peace.
Her poem got loud cheers from the audience last week and won her a place in the competition's final on April 7.
It also brought her death threats, posted on several Islamic militant websites.
poem
Courage: Hissa Hilal delivers her blistering attack against Muslim extremists live on television on TV show 'The Million's Poet'
The programme, 'The Million's Poet', is a chance for poets to show off their original work and is broadcast live every week on satellite television across the Arab world from Abu Dhabi.
Contestants are graded on voice and style of recitation, but also on their subject matter, said Sultan al-Amimi, one of the three judges on the show and a manager of Abu Dhabi's Poetry Academy.
Over the past episodes, poets sitting on an elaborate stage before a live audience have recited odes to the beauty of Bedouin life and the glories of their rulers or mourning the gap between rich and poor.
Hilal is the first to launch a political attack - a brave move by a Saudi woman.
'My poetry has always been provocative,' she said. 'It's a way to express myself and give voice to Arab women, silenced by those who have hijacked our culture and our religion.'
Her poem was seen as a response to Sheik Abdul-Rahman al-Barrak, a prominent cleric in Saudi Arabia who recently issued a fatwa saying those who call for the mingling of men and women should be considered infidels, punishable by death.
But, more broadly, it was seen as addressing any of many hard-line clerics in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere in the region who hold a wide influence through TV programmes, university positions or websites.
'Killing a human being is so easy for them, it is always an option,' she told AP.
Poetry holds a prominent place in Arab culture, and some poets in the Middle East have a fan base akin to those of rock stars.
Hilal's 15-verse poem was in a form known as Nabati, native to nomadic tribes of the Arabian Peninsula. She criticised extremism that she told AP is 'creeping into our society' through fatwas.
'I have seen evil in the eyes of fatwas, at a time when the permitted is being twisted into the forbidden,' she said in the poem.
She called such edicts 'a monster that emerged from its hiding place' whenever 'the veil is lifted from the face of truth'.
She described hard-line clerics as 'vicious in voice, barbaric, angry and blind, wearing death as a robe cinched with a belt,' in an apparent reference to suicide bombers' explosives belts.
The three judges gave her the highest marks for her performance, praising her for addressing a controversial topic. That, plus voting from the 2,000 people in the audience and text messages from viewers, put her through to the final round.
'Hissa Hilal is a courageous poet,' said al-Amimi. 'She expressed her opinion against the kind of fatwas that affect people's lives and raised an alarm against these ad hoc fatwas coming from certain scholars who are inciting extremism.'
Fatwas are not legally binding - it is up to individual Muslims to follow them.
Clerics of all ideological stripes pronounced fatwas on nearly every aspect of people's lives, from how they should deal with members of other religions to what they can watch on television.
Hilal said she had heard about the death threats posted on Islamic extremist websites and was concerned, but 'not enough to send me into hiding'.
What's more on her mind is how sudden fame will change her quiet family life at home in the Saudi capital, Riyadh.
'I worry how I will be perceived after the show is over, when judgment is passed and people begin to talk about my performance and ideas,' said Hilal, a mother of four who has published poetry and previously was a poetry editor at the Arab daily Al-Hayat.
'I worry the lights of fame will affect my simple and quiet existence.'
The Million's Poet was launched in 2006 by the government's Abu Dhabi Authority for Culture and Heritage to encourage poetry.
In this, the fourth season, 48 contestants from 12 Arab countries competed, including several women along with Hilal.
On Wednesday, Hilal will be joined by five other poets in the final round. The winner of the $1.3million grand prize will be declared a week later on March 31.
Their topics are already known. One of Hilal's rivals will address terrorism. Another woman in the finals, Jaza al-Baqmi, will reflect on the role of women.
Hilal says her poem will tackle the media, but wouldn't elaborate so as not to spoil the surprise.
'My message to those who hear me is love, compassion and peace,' Hilal said. 'We all have to share a small planet and we need to learn how to live together.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...ck-hardline-Muslim-clerics.html#ixzz0mmEaqy5f
By Mail Foreign Service
Last updated at 9:17 PM on 31st March 2010
A brave Saudi housewife has reached the final of the Arabic version of the X Factor after lashing out at hardline Muslim clerics on live TV.
Wearing a black burkha, mother-of-four Hissa Hilal delivered a blistering poem against Muslim preachers 'who sit in the position of power' but are 'frightening' people with their fatwas, or religious edicts, and 'preying like a wolf' on those seeking peace.
Her poem got loud cheers from the audience last week and won her a place in the competition's final on April 7.
It also brought her death threats, posted on several Islamic militant websites.
poem
Courage: Hissa Hilal delivers her blistering attack against Muslim extremists live on television on TV show 'The Million's Poet'
The programme, 'The Million's Poet', is a chance for poets to show off their original work and is broadcast live every week on satellite television across the Arab world from Abu Dhabi.
Contestants are graded on voice and style of recitation, but also on their subject matter, said Sultan al-Amimi, one of the three judges on the show and a manager of Abu Dhabi's Poetry Academy.
Over the past episodes, poets sitting on an elaborate stage before a live audience have recited odes to the beauty of Bedouin life and the glories of their rulers or mourning the gap between rich and poor.
Hilal is the first to launch a political attack - a brave move by a Saudi woman.
'My poetry has always been provocative,' she said. 'It's a way to express myself and give voice to Arab women, silenced by those who have hijacked our culture and our religion.'
Her poem was seen as a response to Sheik Abdul-Rahman al-Barrak, a prominent cleric in Saudi Arabia who recently issued a fatwa saying those who call for the mingling of men and women should be considered infidels, punishable by death.
But, more broadly, it was seen as addressing any of many hard-line clerics in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere in the region who hold a wide influence through TV programmes, university positions or websites.
'Killing a human being is so easy for them, it is always an option,' she told AP.
Poetry holds a prominent place in Arab culture, and some poets in the Middle East have a fan base akin to those of rock stars.
Hilal's 15-verse poem was in a form known as Nabati, native to nomadic tribes of the Arabian Peninsula. She criticised extremism that she told AP is 'creeping into our society' through fatwas.
'I have seen evil in the eyes of fatwas, at a time when the permitted is being twisted into the forbidden,' she said in the poem.
She called such edicts 'a monster that emerged from its hiding place' whenever 'the veil is lifted from the face of truth'.
She described hard-line clerics as 'vicious in voice, barbaric, angry and blind, wearing death as a robe cinched with a belt,' in an apparent reference to suicide bombers' explosives belts.
The three judges gave her the highest marks for her performance, praising her for addressing a controversial topic. That, plus voting from the 2,000 people in the audience and text messages from viewers, put her through to the final round.
'Hissa Hilal is a courageous poet,' said al-Amimi. 'She expressed her opinion against the kind of fatwas that affect people's lives and raised an alarm against these ad hoc fatwas coming from certain scholars who are inciting extremism.'
Fatwas are not legally binding - it is up to individual Muslims to follow them.
Clerics of all ideological stripes pronounced fatwas on nearly every aspect of people's lives, from how they should deal with members of other religions to what they can watch on television.
Hilal said she had heard about the death threats posted on Islamic extremist websites and was concerned, but 'not enough to send me into hiding'.
What's more on her mind is how sudden fame will change her quiet family life at home in the Saudi capital, Riyadh.
'I worry how I will be perceived after the show is over, when judgment is passed and people begin to talk about my performance and ideas,' said Hilal, a mother of four who has published poetry and previously was a poetry editor at the Arab daily Al-Hayat.
'I worry the lights of fame will affect my simple and quiet existence.'
The Million's Poet was launched in 2006 by the government's Abu Dhabi Authority for Culture and Heritage to encourage poetry.
In this, the fourth season, 48 contestants from 12 Arab countries competed, including several women along with Hilal.
On Wednesday, Hilal will be joined by five other poets in the final round. The winner of the $1.3million grand prize will be declared a week later on March 31.
Their topics are already known. One of Hilal's rivals will address terrorism. Another woman in the finals, Jaza al-Baqmi, will reflect on the role of women.
Hilal says her poem will tackle the media, but wouldn't elaborate so as not to spoil the surprise.
'My message to those who hear me is love, compassion and peace,' Hilal said. 'We all have to share a small planet and we need to learn how to live together.'
Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/wor...ck-hardline-Muslim-clerics.html#ixzz0mmEaqy5f
I waited to respond because I wanted to know if my stance on this was indeed "wrong" as some have stated here.
I waited to talk to my neighbour. She is a mother, married, with 3 children.
Yes she is muslim and her husband is a decent guy and friend.
I asked her about this ban and this was her response to me (not word for word as I am working from memory and you can believe me or not your choice):
"I think most muslim traditions are ridiculous. But my mother wouldn't agree. I live in Canada where I am free to be who I am. My mother is not free to be who she is. She wears a headscarf and I do not. I firmly believe that it is an antiquited and outdated tradition that has no place in the world today. Wearing traditional muslim dress for a woman is more about muslim men's insecurity and wanting to repress women in their societies. It is disgusting. If Europe banning this stupid tradition I applaud them and hope it leads to Canada doing the same."
There you have it. A muslim woman's take on the situation.
'nuf.
I waited to talk to my neighbour. She is a mother, married, with 3 children.
Yes she is muslim and her husband is a decent guy and friend.
I asked her about this ban and this was her response to me (not word for word as I am working from memory and you can believe me or not your choice):
"I think most muslim traditions are ridiculous. But my mother wouldn't agree. I live in Canada where I am free to be who I am. My mother is not free to be who she is. She wears a headscarf and I do not. I firmly believe that it is an antiquited and outdated tradition that has no place in the world today. Wearing traditional muslim dress for a woman is more about muslim men's insecurity and wanting to repress women in their societies. It is disgusting. If Europe banning this stupid tradition I applaud them and hope it leads to Canada doing the same."
There you have it. A muslim woman's take on the situation.
'nuf.
Nice fiction, but pointless regarding this Belgian law. The problem in your story is not the the hijab—and the law is about burqas, not hijabs—but the domineering father. Enacting a repressive law only makes a more repressive society. What happens in your fairytale when repressive dads pass a law forcing every woman to wear burqas?A hypothetical story, just for you for Old Jones.
Law passed in Belguim and Canada ( " France to follow at later date" ) today no person is to allow to wear a Muslim nijab in public. Teenager Muslim girl wants to goes outside in public. Muslim Dad says to daughter “you have to wear a nijab it's a Muslim religion requirement. If you don't wear a nijab I will disown you. All rest of our Muslim relative in Saudi Arabia will will speak ill of US? You will bring shame to the family. I will kick you out into the street. Then you will have no family support. You will be uneducated and become a beggar or a drug user. ” Daughter replied, “Dad it against the law in Canada today ("see today Belguim law") to wear a nijab. The Toronto ("Belguim" ) police will arrest me for breaking the law. Dad you do not want me to go to jail.” So Muslim Dad relents let her go outside in public without wearing a nijab.
Meanwhile when she comes home, she wears a nijab to make her parent happy. This proof to them she is a good Muslim girl. Everyday she goes out unveilled with her non Muslim High school friend she able to conform with her fellow school mate. She does not get discrimated by some of her bigoted schoolmates who thinks all muslim are fucking terrorist and they do not know her true background. Her fellow school mates figures she just an average white teenage girl love listening to Britney Spear's. The teenage Muslem girl does not commit sucide due to discrimination from her fellow school mates or suffer major depression.
Remember High School Old Jones lot of peer pressure from fellow school mates.
She grows up and graduated from high school. Then goes to university and then get a university degree and find a good job. She leaves the nest and tells the Muslim dad to fuck off. She gets married to a non muslim jewish man or a lesbian muslim woman who don't believe in wearing nijab or burke , just to pissed of the dad and live happly after relocating to unknown location
P.S. By the way Gay marriage is recognized in Toronto.
Repression is wrong. Pass laws against that.
Exactly right. It's the covering of the face that is so repulsive. Security,comfort,control,social,trust, it doesn't matter. Unless you are going to a costume type party,Halloween, etc., you don't hide faces. Covering one's face has always been associated with devious or evil intentions. NOT normal day to day activities.
Sad but typical of many posters here. "As long as I get the freedoms I want it doesn't matter if I take away freedoms other people may want".
I used to think that their radical extremist husbands and fathers with their unkempt beards dangling to their nipple's level was behind it. I was shocked when I found out that a lot of these women wear the face masks simply because they choose to.
These masks are not only degrading towards women but they are a security concern. Canada respects others freedoms and beliefs but this is something they should not respect. If these women want to wear these ninja-like masks, they should damn well leave this great country of ours and return to the terrorist country that they came from! We don't need their kind over here!
The difference is that in most of your examples, you are talking about "officials" of the various religions... It's their "work" attire if you will. In the case of the Orthodox Jews wearing yarmulkes, they are worn as a sign of respect.
The burqa is forced on these women to be worn as a sign of subservience. This has nothing to do with religion.. it has to do with keeping the entire female portion of the population essentially enslaved.
In line with the other storytelling here, let me offer this fairytale:
Once upon a time there was a fifteen year old high school student who wanted to wear a dress. "Not on your life!", roared his Dad (Sorry guys, it's always the fathers, but it's just fictions) "You're not going to shame this family prancing around in a dress like some fairy." You see the student was a boy, nqamed Tom. Things went from bad to worse, the argument got violent and unfortunately Tom was killed. To protect children from such violence, Tom's Law was passed, requiring all fifteen year old boys to wear dresses in public.
Moral: We mustn't try to control abusive fathers, or protect their poor children. Instead visit repression on everyone.
Now just above, Dougal has turned my fictional Tom into "…the entire female portion of the population essentially enslaved". Which is ridiculous if we're talking Belgium or Canada, but perhaps relevant to Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia (which we're not), but he's just as far off the mark as Tom's father. If there is repression you act against that repression by controlling and punishing the oppressors. Can anyone really imagine the "essentially enslaved" women are now liberated by a dress code? It's as if Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation merely said slaves were to be called 'associates of colour' and their shackles hidden by clothing.
And—as people keep ignoring—it is a Belgian law about burqas we are discussing. Of all the muslim women in Belgium, only a small minority wear them, and no one has offered any statistic or even a guess as to how many of them wear it from habit, and how many might be forced. Nothing to do with Canada, or with the entire female portion of any relevant population.
Even so, you do not stop repression with more repression. You stop it with freedom. Like: Any woman who chooses not to veil may register that choice at her local police station, so that the police will know to respond should she complain of force, harassment or other undue persuasions used against her.
Once upon a time there was a fifteen year old high school student who wanted to wear a dress. "Not on your life!", roared his Dad (Sorry guys, it's always the fathers, but it's just fictions) "You're not going to shame this family prancing around in a dress like some fairy." You see the student was a boy, nqamed Tom. Things went from bad to worse, the argument got violent and unfortunately Tom was killed. To protect children from such violence, Tom's Law was passed, requiring all fifteen year old boys to wear dresses in public.
Moral: We mustn't try to control abusive fathers, or protect their poor children. Instead visit repression on everyone.
Now just above, Dougal has turned my fictional Tom into "…the entire female portion of the population essentially enslaved". Which is ridiculous if we're talking Belgium or Canada, but perhaps relevant to Afghanistan or Saudi Arabia (which we're not), but he's just as far off the mark as Tom's father. If there is repression you act against that repression by controlling and punishing the oppressors. Can anyone really imagine the "essentially enslaved" women are now liberated by a dress code? It's as if Lincoln's Emancipation Proclamation merely said slaves were to be called 'associates of colour' and their shackles hidden by clothing.
And—as people keep ignoring—it is a Belgian law about burqas we are discussing. Of all the muslim women in Belgium, only a small minority wear them, and no one has offered any statistic or even a guess as to how many of them wear it from habit, and how many might be forced. Nothing to do with Canada, or with the entire female portion of any relevant population.
Even so, you do not stop repression with more repression. You stop it with freedom. Like: Any woman who chooses not to veil may register that choice at her local police station, so that the police will know to respond should she complain of force, harassment or other undue persuasions used against her.
My story is about the Nijjab( spelling error meant Niqab (veil where only the eyes are revealed)) and the Burka ...It is not about the Hijjab( muslem head scarf).
