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How much to pay an SP for a Hawaii vacation?

Chuckt

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Well Chuckt, I think your 40yo look and all that hair makes you .224547793 of a meter further from the mythical "border" of 'pedophilia' than the clowns who have been judging you first made you out to be.

Beyond that, some raise very good points about the border crossings. By all means tell them the girl is one of your employees (and have some details rehearsed beforehand). Of course they raise very good points with regard to the funds as well.

I wonder if you could buy a cashier's check once you're over there, after making prior financial arrangements to do so. (she should then definitely mail it home, vs. bringing it through the border) I just don't know if it is fair to her to have her going through the motions for so many days motivated by the notion of a promised large cash payoff once she's back home in Canada.

Finally, so many of those responding are just hearing something which seems so fantasy-filled that they won't give fair consideration to the actual dynamics of your dilemma.



What would you expect to read/hear if you went to the teen area of "MySpace" and polled 19yo 'women' on what price they would accept to go to Hawaii for a week and have sex with a 56yo man every day? Some of those answers would make $1200 a day feel like the allowance you got when you were age 9.




Ultimately this boils down to this young woman needing to TRUST you far more than you would ever need to trust her. In terms of your mere safety, you've got airport security on your side, and can probably guess that she won't arrive in Hawaii with so much as a box cutter. In terms of the risk of her fleeing the scene and the vacation, you've got distance, isolation, and her fear of causing a scene in a "foreign" land on your side.

She on the other hand has to trust you almost entirely, and not only for the big things, but also for your organizational skills and attention to conveniences along with what's important for a woman as well as yourself. She will have to trust you to pay her fee, no matter what it is, in a way that lets her continue to be confident about your sincerity.

She will have to trust you to not hurt her, and all of that while in a setting that is far, far from her area of personal familiarity. (she isn't merely a street walker who, after a struggle with a client during a car date gone awry, just leaps out of the car and runs for her life in an area where she knows every alley and street light)

You are indeed taking her time, and if she wanted a soothing, relaxing, and complete "vacation" in Hawaii she'd be free to schedule one for herself and a girlfriend with the fee you would pay her.

I can appreciate the seeming "barter" between you, where you conveniently borrow her nubile young flesh and relative innocence for a truly enjoyable week, in exchange for something (cash) along the lines of what she might value just as much. So when contemplating the many various ways these guys are telling you to be cheap, add to the equation your own, independent sense of the 'value' she is giving you in exchange. (and "just as much" really is the key)

Of course "what you can afford" is a factor which would cause people to be more fair to the young woman than they are tending to be right now. This is not "them" making this trip, and it might not be the first, random 19yo lass they envision being at their side.

Your two prior meetings with the woman should give you a true sense of what her company would mean to you in Hawaii, and you'll treat her fairly in all ways upon coming to that conclusion.


(this thread still challenges the mind a great deal)
Hi John, thanks for your feedback. I understand where that the pedo remark is coming from. It would appear a bit creepy to me if I see a 56yr old fart hanging out with a hot babe. However, I do work out 4 times a week with a personal trainer and bike 100km Sat and Sun in the summer just so I can keep up with them hot babes.

Nevertheless if the 19 yr is not an SP, then it is totally inappropriate for a 56 yr old to……. Furthermore the 19 is the advertised SP age, she looks older.

I figure I just pay her ½ up front and ½ upon return. But not carrying it with us. In terms of trust, I have given her my business card and my company website already. And I’m the president.

More importantly if she has a good time that would make me feel even better, just to prove I still some mojo left.

Thanks for your feedback and Merry Xmas.
 

Chuckt

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I tend to agree with those that suggest south america. Another suggestion is Thailand. I had spent time in Thailand this past summer - most beautiful girls ever and beautiful country 1/10th cost of what you are talking about.. The other advantage is you don`t have to stay with the same person. But as they say a fool and his money are soon parted..
Been to South America https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=266165. Going again next weekend. Thailand no thanks, I really been accused of being a "pedo".
 

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How much to pay an SP for a Hawaii vacation?
I admit I did not read any of the comments posted thus far (all of the almost 7 pages).

My comment is, there are SP's in Hawaii. Choose a different one a day. Or several in a day. Really get to know Hawaii.
 

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Well Chuckt, I think your 40yo look and all that hair makes you .224547793 of a meter further from the mythical "border" of 'pedophilia' than the clowns who have been judging you first made you out to be.
Nevertheless if the 19 yr is not an SP, then it is totally inappropriate for a 56 yr old to……. Furthermore the 19 is the advertised SP age, she looks older.
I'm not sure why all this pedophilia stuff is being raised the age of (full) consent is the age of consent. Further we are speaking of a SP - Client relationship not a dating relationship.

That said, even in a dating relationship that little word "totally" seems a bit much to me. Yes people are very definitely going to talk and be judgmental, but it is after all the couple's decision and if they can survive the slings and arrows that most assuredly will be coming . . . I'd be more concerned is there a meeting of the minds and personalities, I find that even with people with whom there is, that when there is more than a 25 year age gap there is also a generational perception gap as well.

In summery, as a friend of mine says the true test is that you want people to say wow isn't he a lucky guy, rather than my God, I thought she was his daughter (or Granddaughter).

Now some of this may apply to heads turning as you walk along the beach, but other parts of it don't apply when paths are going to part at the end of the trip.
 
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Nevertheless if the 19 yr is not an SP, then it is totally inappropriate for a 56 yr old to……. Furthermore the 19 is the advertised SP age, she looks older.

I figure I just pay her ½ up front and ½ upon return. But not carrying it with us. In terms of trust, I have given her my business card and my company website already. And I’m the president.

More importantly if she has a good time that would make me feel even better, just to prove I still some mojo left.

Thanks for your feedback and Merry Xmas.

I really have a sense that you are being fair, and trusting, and that your guest will be made far more comfortable for your efforts.

Technically I have to take issue with your reference to "totally inappropriate" as, perhaps, that term should be reserved for younger teens who are not legal.

If you want to say "unusual", then fine, go ahead, but "totally inappropriate" seems akin to unlawful.

Hopefully we'll get to know a few more chapters in this story over time.

Happy Holidays.
 

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For this kind of encounter with an SP, it is really important that you are both very comfortable with all of the arrangements. Spending seven days together with a near stranger can become very uncomfortable if there are unexpected surprises. In addition, if you feel you have overpaid or if she feels she has undercharged, it will spoil the mood for the entire trip.

It may be possible to bargain with an SP for a quickie but if you're going for a seven day trip you better make sure she's totally comfortable with what she's getting (and what it's costing her in lost business and opportunity). If money is not an issue for you, let her name her price and (assuming it's in the $1000/$2000 a day range) don't argue and possibly offer he slightly more than she asked. This will ensure that she has no regrets about the price and is able to focus on the vacation more fully.

The other thing you need to do is have a talk about what your expectations are. If she expects to spend hours shopping (possibly at your expense) you better know that up front and decide if you're OK with spending that much time and money on shopping. If she wants to dance the night away and you like to wake up early to see the sights, you better work that out in advance or you'll have a very unpleasant trip.

What about drinking? She's not legal in the US and so she won't be able to get into many clubs or drink openly at your hotel. Will that be a problem for her? What will your role or responsibility be if she's busted for underage drinking? Is she into recreational drugs? What if she's caught scoring something or (worse yet) brings it back to your hotel room or tries to bring into the US or back into Canada? Very few drug users will admit their habit to a relative stranger so you better be sure you know what you'll do if you get surprised.

Of course, since this is an SP relationship, you'll need to reach an understanding about what kind of services, and frequency thereof, you're expecting to receive and she's expecting to deliver. Do you want to join (or rejoin) the mile-high club? Planning to get smoked on the beach and stroked in the pool? Do you like it in the middle of the night or first thing in the morning? Multiple SOG's in one session and/or multiple sessions in a day? Nothing will spoil your trip more than to find out she's not willing to put out what you had in mind. Make sure you have an open and honest discussion and that your expectations, and hers, are clearly articulated.

Ideally, you'll have a few more sessions with her in TO before committing to the trip and this will also help you to get to know her better and could address some of the concerns about expectations and compatibility.

The mechanics of payment are various and you can do any number of things based on how trusting you each are. The best advice I've seen in this thread is to pay her half up-front and half upon return. You don't want to carry that much cash with you and (with respect to the lady) you need to provide her with a motive to maintain her side of the deal throughout the trip. She's already got you by the short and curlies given she knows where you work (as president) so she's secure that she'll be paid upon return.

The logistics of travel can be tricky but the best way (I've done this myself in related circumstances) is to keep it really simple. You each go through customs completely separately both leaving and returning. You won't need a story for why you are travelling together because, as far as the border agencies are concerned, you'll each be travelling alone for a vacation in Hawaii. Once you're on the plane, you can sit together if you want and no one will care. Same thing on return. You are each returning from a your own vacation and each declare your purchases, etc. separately. You don't want to be involved if she tries to bring undeclared goods through and you don't need a frustrated border guard deciding to cavity search you because he's jealous of your hot date. Travelling "separately" in this way is the best approach by far, however, it does mean that you have to give her full custody of her plane ticket before you leave and this does expose you to the risk that she'll take off in Hawaii and not spend the full time with you. If you feel confident that you can trust her that far, this is the way to go. If you're not sure she's trustworthy, you probably shouldn't take her at all.

All this said. have a great time and let us know what happened!
 

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I total agreed with Becky about spending time apart since Becky is so experienced. Besides there are so many water sports I like to do. However, if things don’t work out I may have to invite Becky instead. I really enjoyed your company, but I’m afraid I won’t last a day with you dear https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=257540.
Chuckt, I remember fondly our time together (an all-bj compliment-filled time) and I think given your genteel nature you could easily find a girl willing to go with you for $500/day, if you give her time to herself (not shopping money, just time to herself). Even at 3 hours/day she`s still earning more than she would with an agency (assuming $120-$150/hour) and she`s in freakin` Hawaii with 13 hours (I subtracted 8 hours to sleep) for recreation. Even if she spent non-sexual time with you (I`d value that at a slightly lower rate) sightseeing with you, she`s still doing well for herself and taking a vacation (seriously, make sure both you and her have time to yourselves!).

Yes, we can afford vacations - working girls need vacations - but very few of us with trust in a client (imho chuckt can be trusted) would pass up on an all-expenses-paid one, just as few of you would.

Have fun chuckt and let us know how your endeavor towards fulfilling your fantasies goes!
 

smylee52

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Come on Chuck . With the the good advice and the money we saved you why not take Serenity and Becky with you .

I say Book em Dano . ( This saying was popular before Becky and Serenity were even born (LOL) .

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FORGET SPs IN HAWAII AND VEGAS, THE WISE BRING CANADIAN SPs

I admit I did not read any of the comments posted thus far (all of the almost 7 pages).

My comment is, there are SP's in Hawaii. Choose a different one a day. Or several in a day. Really get to know Hawaii.
Sorry Suds, YOU ARE WRONG.

Getting SPs in Hawaii is not like getting SPs in Toronto.

Like Vegas, it is far too expensive and the disappointments/risks are not worth it.

Taking a Canadian SP you feel comfortable with and can afford is:

1. Far more enjoyable
2. Less expensive
3. Safer from a legal perspective.

John
 

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As someone already mentioned, they know who paid for the ticket. The solution to that is simple. Give her money and get her to buy the ticket through her own credit card. As for booking accommodations, get her to book something cheap, like a youth hostel. Clear customs separately, and hook up ;) after.
 

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Come on Chuck . With the the good advice and the money we saved you why not take Serenity and Becky with you .
haha seriously! best advice if you still plan on this - imagine having 2 girls for a week - plus they'll probably get along together as well!

I was going to do this with my ATF and she said $500/day would be fine - her listed rate though was $2000/day... kind of glad she "dumped" me now though as I've saved a ton of money since and won't be spending 6-7k on a 7day vacation :)
 

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I wonder if she would consider an all you can eat deal?
 
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