Off-peak pricing

[Brill]

After Jan. 1 the new time-of-use hydro rates will apply. They can do this with the new meters. The current rate is 5.8 cents/kwh, the new rate for off-peak use is 4.4 cents. But this is only after 9 pm and before 7 am on weekdays, and any time on weekends and statutory holidays. Daytime weekdays have 2 rates that vary and depend on the season. The on-peak rate will be 9.3 cents. There is also a mid-peak rate of 8.0 cents.

Basically it will cost double to use electricity between 7 am and 9 pm weekdays than it will at off-peak times. Some things can be delayed to after 9 pm or weekends, especially laundry and dishwashers.

We already have cheaper off-peak prices for airlines and hotels, cheap Tuesdays at the movies - will this come to the sex industry?
Maybe a happy hour every day from 9 to 10 am?

Just throwing the idea out there.

 

[Questor]

In terms of hydro use, the idea is way overdue. When people shift some electricity use to off peak hours, that means few power plants needed.

In terms of the sex industry, it is an idea that is overdue, at least in terms of agency incalls. If agencies can get more use out of a condo or hotel room that brings down their per client cost. So I can see things like early bird specials with a $20 or $40 discount. The girl gets the regular rate, but the agency takes a lower cut. At the same time, the agency is getting more dollars due to increased volume.

 

[james t kirk]

It's a cash grab as usual.

I was working on a job this past summer that was being affected by OPG's Hydro dams in Northern Ontario. Long story short, last summer, OPG was dumping water (and still is) because demand was so low for hydro. Between the recession, closed mills, closed factories, closed mines, they simply had no market for their power.

 

[marikiss]

I have seen some SPs offering early bird specials, the odd ad on terb and on CL.

 

[Rockslinger]

After Jan. 1 the new time-of-use hydro rates will apply.

I thought this was already in effect. Or, is it on an area by area phase-in basis?

 

[SecretRendezvous]

In terms of hydro use, the idea is way overdue. When people shift some electricity use to off peak hours, that means few power plants needed.

In terms of the sex industry, it is an idea that is overdue, at least in terms of agency incalls. If agencies can get more use out of a condo or hotel room that brings down their per client cost. So I can see things like early bird specials with a $20 or $40 discount. The girl gets the regular rate, but the agency takes a lower cut. At the same time, the agency is getting more dollars due to increased volume.

Actually, you would be surprised how fast and easy it is to book early monring appointments. That might be the reason why agencies don't offer this. Because they don't need to.

It is very rare that you will get a 10am appointment with us if it is not booked the day before, sometimes 2 days before.

 

[Tangwhich]

I thought this was already in effect. Or, is it on an area by area phase-in basis?

As of today, I believe Milton is the only area of Ontario using it.

 

[toughb]

After Jan. 1 the new time-of-use hydro rates will apply. They can do this with the new meters. The current rate is 5.8 cents/kwh, the new rate for off-peak use is 4.4 cents. But this is only after 9 pm and before 7 am on weekdays, and any time on weekends and statutory holidays. Daytime weekdays have 2 rates that vary and depend on the season. The on-peak rate will be 9.3 cents. There is also a mid-peak rate of 8.0 cents.

Basically it will cost double to use electricity between 7 am and 9 pm weekdays than it will at off-peak times. Some things can be delayed to after 9 pm or weekends, especially laundry and dishwashers.

We already have cheaper off-peak prices for airlines and hotels, cheap Tuesdays at the movies - will this come to the sex industry?
Maybe a happy hour every day from 9 to 10 am?

Just throwing the idea out there.

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Newmarket has been on this system for a couple of months now. The whole of Ontario will be on my the end of next year.

Our lowest rate starts at 9 PM. Weekends and holidays are also all low rate.

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[landscaper]

its an interesting problem for those of us who work out of a home. Or for people who are home bound due to illness or injury, what do you shut down the airconditioner or the oxygen tank?????

 

[blackrock13]

its an interesting problem for those of us who work out of a home. Or for people who are home bound due to illness or injury, what do you shut down the airconditioner or the oxygen tank?????

The overall pricing will be an increase hidden in all that creative math and the observation of the greater increase for those who don't work 9-5, on shift workers, and those who have needs during the week. It's an opportunity to grab more money and trying to do under the table.

 

[Brill]

Actually, you would be surprised how fast and easy it is to book early monring appointments. That might be the reason why agencies don't offer this. Because they don't need to.

It is very rare that you will get a 10am appointment with us if it is not booked the day before, sometimes 2 days before.

I'm curious, is there a time or day that is always quiet, or is the business too unpredictable?

Landscaper, they're not asking you to cut back on your hydro use. It's a new system showing how you can save money by shifting some appliance use to an off-peak time. If everyone washed their clothes or dishes after 9pm it would spread out hydro use a lot, maybe save the need for another nuclear reactor.

 

[Rockslinger]

It is very rare that you will get a 10am appointment with us if it is not booked the day before, sometimes 2 days before.

The one major concern with very early or "first" appointments is that the SP might show up an hour late or not show up at all (car problems, baby sitter didn't show, etc.?). That is why at least one agency refuses to book appointments until the SP is physically in the room.

Of course, the major concern with last appointments is that the SP might decide to book off early (to go shopping?).

 

[james t kirk]

I'm curious, is there a time or day that is always quiet, or is the business too unpredictable?

Landscaper, they're not asking you to cut back on your hydro use. It's a new system showing how you can save money by shifting some appliance use to an off-peak time. If everyone washed their clothes or dishes after 9pm it would spread out hydro use a lot, maybe save the need for another nuclear reactor.

How many people really wash their clothes during the day.

This is going to POUND business as I see it. I remember when Harris was in power, or maybe Eaves, they hiked the rates for power in order to be closer to the market cost (whatever that means) and the result was that industry in Ontario screamed bloody murder and the gov't backed down.

Now they're essentially talking about doubling the rates that companies pay for Hydro, unless I'm missing something.

As far as your average homeowner, most aren't home during the day to run the drier, or the dishwasher, or the oven.

What sucks the most power is any appliance involving heat transfer

Refridgerator - You can't clock this one back during the day

Hot Water Tank - probably won't come on during the day if no-one runs the hotwater, most tanks in Toronto are gas anyway.

Air Conditioning - ok, now here's a pig. You can clock it back a bit during the day, but it will never catch up. You will come home to a hot house

Oven - not used during the day in most homes, but since the cheaper rate doesn't kick in till 9 p.m. you're going to get hammered if you cook before 9 p.m

Drier - I suppose you could do your drying after 9 p.m. or most people on the weekends anyway. (I have a clothes line anyway which I use always in the summer - other than towels (they will air dry like 80 grit sand paper for some reason.)

So, in the end, unless you want to delay your life until 9 p.m., it's going to cost you probably 60% more on your electrical bills.

Joy.

 

[Rockslinger]

- other than towels (they will air dry like 80 grit sand paper for some reason.)

Air dry the towels (and jeans), then fluff them in the dryer.

 

[SecretRendezvous]

The one major concern with very early or "first" appointments is that the SP might show up an hour late or not show up at all (car problems, baby sitter didn't show, etc.?). That is why at least one agency refuses to book appointments until the SP is physically in the room.

Of course, the major concern with last appointments is that the SP might decide to book off early (to go shopping?).

This has happened before. We have always worked it out for the client and he has always been happy with the result. I can say though our mornings are usually always booked the day before and they are one of our busiest times.

Our ratio for hits to misses... well 6 mornings a week for over 18 months and maybe an issue once or twice a month, if that..... Not to bad. I have some pretty reliable ladies. I am very lucky that way.

As for the new meters, I am thankful that we don't pay the water for our incall because we are doing laundry around the clock!

 

[papasmerf]

This has happened before. We have always worked it out for the client and he has always been happy with the result. I can say though our mornings are usually always booked the day before and they are one of our busiest times.

Our ratio for hits to misses... well 6 mornings a week for over 18 months and maybe an issue once or twice a month, if that..... Not to bad. I have some pretty reliable ladies. I am very lucky that way.

As for the new meters, I am thankful that we don't pay the water for our incall because we are doing laundry around the clock!

In my business anything less than 100% is unacceptable. Look at it this way, if you own 8 cars and buy 4 tires for each car but only get 31 of the 32 tires you paid for. You might be a bit upset.

 

[SaturnFan]

Off-peak Price: 4.4 ¢/kWh

Mid-peak Price: 8.0 ¢/kWh (indicated in Yellow)

On-peak Price: 9.3 ¢/kWh

Week-end Rates will be at the Off-peak Price.

More Info: Ontario Energy Board

 

[SecretRendezvous]

In my business anything less than 100% is unacceptable. Look at it this way, if you own 8 cars and buy 4 tires for each car but only get 31 of the 32 tires you paid for. You might be a bit upset.

Thankfully in mine business{both of them} as in life as well, I have gladly accepted that I am not perfect nor is anyone else.

 

[Brill]

In my business anything less than 100% is unacceptable. Look at it this way, if you own 8 cars and buy 4 tires for each car but only get 31 of the 32 tires you paid for. You might be a bit upset.

But if the 32nd tire arrives a bit later with an apology you tell the tire that these things happen and shrug it off. If the tire performs well otherwise, you don't want it rolling down the road to somebody else's vehicle.

 

[papasmerf]

But if the 32nd tire arrives a bit later with an apology you tell the tire that these things happen and shrug it off. If the tire performs well otherwise, you don't want it rolling down the road to somebody else's vehicle.

it the tire is free or put on at a reduced price it becomes worth the wait.