Kennedy Assassination

Medman52

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I've never heard of that, and it's ridiculous.
Well, I should have done this first. I Googled it and this is what I found. I should always go to Google instead of TERB. :)

More info here: http://www.jfklancer.com/LNE/coffin.html#anchor2456189

JFK's Family Insisted on Casket's Disposal

WASHINGTON Jun 01 -- It was the Kennedy family that insisted that the polished bronze casket
used to carry President Kennedy's body from Dallas to Washington be dumped into the ocean,
newly released documents say.

Kennedy was buried at Arlington National Cemetery in a mahogany coffin and there have been
lingering questions about what ever happened to the casket used in Texas after Kennedy was
assassinated on Nov. 22, 1963.

"What I would like to have done is take it to sea," Robert Kennedy, the president's brother, told an
official of the General Services Administration in February 1966.

Despite concerns that the casket was government property, Kennedy told GSA Administrator Lawson
Knott Jr. that he believed it belonged to the family "and we can get rid of it any way we want to,"
according to a memo recounting their telephone conversation.

About two weeks later, on Feb. 18, 1966, an Air Force van picked up the casket at the National
Archives building in downtown Washington.

To make sure that it would sink, the casket was loaded with three 80-pound bags of sand. Numerous
holes were drilled into the coffin and a pine box that encased it. It was bound with metal banding
tape and rigged with parachutes to break the impact of hitting the water.

At 8:38 a.m., a C-130 airplane carrying the casket left Andrews Air Force Base and flew off the
Maryland-Delaware coast. The plane descended to 500 feet and at 10 a.m., the tail hatch of the
plane was opened and the 660-pound load was pushed out.

"The parachutes opened shortly before impact and the entire rigged load remained intact and sank
sharply, clearly and immediately after the soft impact," John Steadman, special assistant to the
defense secretary, wrote in a Feb. 25, 1966 file memo.

"The aircraft circled the drop point for some 20 minutes at 500 feet to ensure that nothing returned
to the surface," wrote Steadman, who was on the plane.

The drop point -- in 9,000 feet of water beyond the continental shelf -- was chosen because it was
away from regularly traveled air and shipping lines and would not be disturbed by trawling and
other sea-bottom activities, the documents said.

The government paid for the bronze coffin, but it was unclear whether it was covered by a law that
made certain items of evidence related to the Kennedy assassination government property.

Attorney General Nicholas Katzenbach said in a Feb. 11, 1966 letter to the GSA that he felt it was
necessary to dispose of the coffin.

"I am unable to conceive of any manner in which the casket could have an evidentiary value, nor
can I conceive of any reason why the national interest would require its preservation," Katzenbach
wrote.

"It is obvious that it could never be used for burial purposes and its public display would be
extremely offensive and contrary to public policy."
 

Malibook

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Forget about Russo or that botched trial. The subsequent intelligence revelations proved Garrison was right.

Who are these witnesses pray tell?

You're not saying that witnesses saw them together?
Other than your posts of TERB, what intelligence revelations are you talking about?

I am talking about witnesses that knew either one of them like Oswald's brother.
 

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I believe Ruby was silenced because he would divulge information as to who ordered or forced HIM to silence Oswald, in exchange for a reduced sentence or witness protection like Joseph Valachi got. Perhaps Ruby knew even more about the assassination as well.

Ruby died of lung cancer in 1967 while awaiting a re-trial, but he was a health freak (he claims he was injected with cancer). Looks like a second key figure in the assassination of JFK never got to say his thing at trial, lol.

What contradictory things are you talking about, and why do YOU assume that his first stated motive is true?

I don't think that it was very fluky - as I said, 'luck is hard work that meets opportunity', in this case, hard work meaning Ruby's previous attempts to get close to Oswald.

Stalking Oswald, particularly in a police station, shows this guy, who is a known to have mob connections, gun running, etc., is a man on a mission, not someone with just vengeance on his mind. In the context of this man's history and what he had to lose (his business, etc.), I doubt very much it was simply an act of vengeance (actually, it was not to avenge the murder of JFK but to spare the First Lady, the grief from a trial - bull shit!).
Ruby died a few years later from cancer and you see this as him being silenced?

How was Ruby's business at risk?
How could he save his business by ruining his life and why would he want to if that was the price?
Witnesses claimed that Ruby was very distraught and bend on revenge and he chose to close his club.

So did Ruby go to the police station knowing that he would have the opportunity to kill Oswald and while he was going out he decided to take his dog for a ride and while he had a extra few minutes to spare he decided to send $25 to one of his strippers 4 minutes before the killing?
And the mob was counting on him to get the job done? :rolleyes:
 

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Right - you really believe that Oswald's brother knew if his bro was involved in a conspiracy, or would admit it only to ruin the family name or face reprisals from some lynch mob or nut sympathetic to Kennedy?
I'm not saying that he knew or that the people who talked to Ruby knew but I am saying that people who knew either one of them very well and had recent conversations and observations with them likely have a much more informed opinion on their motives than you.

You seem to be rather obsessed with this even 46 years later.
I suppose you will never come to peace with this.
 

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All I'm saying is that a guy in business with a life is NOT going to do something that will incarcerate him if not hang him. Come to think of it, I read somewhere that Ruby may have done this crime to relieve his debts.
Exactly.
It would be an extremely stupid business and life decision.
It seems obvious to me that it must have been an irrational emotional decision.

Why would someone facing a life sentence or death sentence care about relieving his debts or saving his club?
This doesn't make sense.
 

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I think the WU thing is a minor point.
The WU thing is a huge point and so is his taking his dog.
There is no way he was tipped off about that brief opportunity and then he decided to take his dog along for the ride.
Even if he was tipped off, nobody knew exactly when Oswald would be transported and there is no way he would risk losing this chance, and perhaps only chance, to kill Oswald so that he could send $25 to one of his strippers 4 minutes before the killing.

Given that it took what appears to be an extremely remote lucky set of circumstances, it doesn't seem likely that the mob or CIA or Russians or Cubans or whoever would have been counting on him to get the job done.
 

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Who said that it was his final chance of getting Oswald?
Not me.
I said "perhaps" since he was extremely lucky to get this chance and future chances were far from certain.

If I was on my way to assassinate the guy who assassinated the President, I can't imagine why I would take my dog along for the ride and bother to send a stripper $25 literally a couple of minutes before my potential window of opportunity.
I guess this seemed normal to Ruby and you.

I would have given my dog away and blown a bunch of cash on strippers and hookers before heading down to do the job. :p
 

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The are suppose to open up the files 50 years after his death, I wonder what surprises we will get?
 

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There are interrogation notes but Oswald doesn't really talk cuz he wants to speak to a lawyer which he never fucking got.

The only thing that Oswald said was that he was 'a patsy'. He even told them that someone superimposed his head on a picture to incriminate him.

Oswald didn't trust the police.

The FBI didn't interrogate Oswald after the shooting (that's another entire thread as Oswald had run-ins with the FBI), nor the CIA.

Oswald took a gun with him probably because he knew he was framed and was fearful for his life. Oswald yelled to the police as he was arrested, "I am not resisting arrest, I am not resisting arrest". Why? Probably because he was afraid that a cop might shoot him dead. Oswald's landlady said that a cop car stopped by his rooming house and honked the horn but he wasn't home. Maybe Oswald was targeted for assassination too.
Interesting but you have no evidence at all he was targeted

He would be afraid of assassination if he had done it so his fear does not have to be the result of a set up


It seems to me if you set him up you have to kill him and even if he did not talk because he had no lawyer the assassinaters did not know he would not talk so my point stands that sending in Ruby to shut the Gate after the horse left the barn is way to sloppy.

Plant him at the depository and make it look like suicide
 

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Because when you look at the totality of the evidence, much of it circumstantial, there can be no conclusion other than conspiracy.

You believe in the mental frailty of a thug with ties to the underworld (that's a fact) as to his initially stated motive.

Then when he's in jail, he asks a visiting Chief Justice Earl Warren and ex-CIA director Allen Dulles, all Warren Commissioners, to be sent to Washington (like Joseph Valachi) because that's the only place where he will feel protected and can talk. That's a fact (why would he seek that if everybody thought he was a hero?).

He makes his bold statement later on that the 'world will never know his true motive because people who put him in that position had so much to gain...and that those people were at the top'. The recording is a fact.

He acknowledges to a reporter (I posted that You Tube video) that if Adlai Stevenson was the V.P., this might not have happened (iow, ask LBJ) - whether LBJ was involved is besides the point, but from Ruby's perspective, he's admitting a conspiracy of sorts. That recording is a fact.

The video of a sheriff who escorted Ruby and received a note from Ruby which said that his true motive was to silence Oswald. This is also a fact.

There's also evidence that the Mob put a contract on JFK's life.

The above does not come from the bottle.

YOU exonerate Ruby because you believe his original public storyline (but ignore what he says behind the scenes) and because he ran an errand before he committed the crime.

Give me a break.
Why is it that everything that you think supports your suspicions is a fact and everything else is not?

The fact that someone says something does not make the contents factually correct.
That is a fact.

It is not simply that he ran an errand before hand.
What part of 4 minutes do you find so difficult to comprehend? :rolleyes:
 

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Roger McDowell was involved.
 

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JohnFK - have you done the same level of investigation into Bobby Kennedy's assassination? I think that you may find that it is even more dubious than JFK's. Do you think the two are related?
 

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Yes, I believe the two are related. RFK said not long before he was killed that "Only the power of the presidency will reveal the truth about my brother's assassination".
Maybe it was a good thing that Ted Kennedy was never nominated to run for the presidency. Howver, there is still mystery surrounding that car accident and how much money was paid to Mary Jo's parents to buy their silence.
 

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The person with the most to gain from John and Bobby>s deaths was Edward Kennedy.
 

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Teddy's character was assassinated from that accident.

Even if he became President, I don't think he would've dredged up the assassination issue as he probably would've used his time more productively for other causes (not that finding the truth isn't important to that nation, but it might have done more harm than good).
Teddy killed a woman

We never forfot of forgave him
 
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