One Quarter of Canadians Immunized against H1N1
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I'm tired of the message telling me to "get immunized fergawdsake!!" over and over again for the last month when I'm not eligible yet.
I'm patiently waiting for athletes, politicians and other Very Important People to get theirs first, then I'm hoping there's one shot left for me in March.
I'm patiently waiting for athletes, politicians and other Very Important People to get theirs first, then I'm hoping there's one shot left for me in March.
The country's chief public health officer says almost one-quarter of Canadians have been immunized against swine flu.
Based on how pathetic they've handled this mess so far... "almost" could mean anything to these idiots.
There's no way they could have immunized 25% of the population unless all the professional sports teams, politicians and hospital board members have had their shots already. Oh shit... they did.
Based on how pathetic they've handled this mess so far... "almost" could mean anything to these idiots.
There's no way they could have immunized 25% of the population unless all the professional sports teams, politicians and hospital board members have had their shots already. Oh shit... they did.
Even if they wanted to, they are so far ineligible... None of us fit the criteria of "at risk" people (yet) and would be turned away.
Personally, as a healthy, fit adult male 45 yrs of age, not prone to disease of any kind in many years, with no underlying health conditions, who practices very good hygiene, I don't fit ANY of the criteria. My doctor told me to get it if I want, but it likely wasn't going to matter one way or the other.
As for my wife and children, well that is a discussion I have had with them and their doctor. If and when it is made available to us, that decision will be left to them and is of no consequence to anyone here..
Personally, as a healthy, fit adult male 45 yrs of age, not prone to disease of any kind in many years, with no underlying health conditions, who practices very good hygiene, I don't fit ANY of the criteria. My doctor told me to get it if I want, but it likely wasn't going to matter one way or the other.
As for my wife and children, well that is a discussion I have had with them and their doctor. If and when it is made available to us, that decision will be left to them and is of no consequence to anyone here..
Overhyped as the level of hospitalizations is very low at approximately 1,600 (deaths at 161) in total since the beginning. Does anyone else find it hard to believe that 8 million people have been immunized already given the performance in Toronto ? Methinks the good Dr is forgetting to add the qualifier " of the original high risk group".
Yesterday Butler-Jones said that he now estimated deaths could be 50% of seasonal flu's annual estimate of 2,000 to 8,000 to possibly equal but no worse.
The backpeddling has begun. In a month or so we will be questioning why we spent $1.5 billion when other infectious deseases such as c-dificile kill more people. As usual the Liberals haven't seen the writing on the wall:
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=2230400
Yesterday Butler-Jones said that he now estimated deaths could be 50% of seasonal flu's annual estimate of 2,000 to 8,000 to possibly equal but no worse.
The backpeddling has begun. In a month or so we will be questioning why we spent $1.5 billion when other infectious deseases such as c-dificile kill more people. As usual the Liberals haven't seen the writing on the wall:
http://www.nationalpost.com/todays-paper/story.html?id=2230400
just like the weather reportersd they will over hype an issue just so they can say well we were being careful and gave you a worst case scenario just in case. That also does not include what the vested interests want during a " crisis"
Never knew weather reporters were prone to hype. Weather forecasting is definitely prone to some errors, but it is a science and it does work. I'm not a meteorologist but meteorology/climatology plays an important part in my life as much as perhaps a farmers life.
Likewise the medical profession plays an important part of my life, personal and professional. I don't believe everything they say and they have been wrong a few times in both arenas, but more often than not they've been right by a large margin.
Most of us on this BB have first hand experience or expertise in one or two areas and have to make decisions and put forward opinions mostly based on what they read or are told by others who are experts in those other worlds. Then there are those who make life and death decisions. Even fewer of us here are in that category. These experts that you see and hear, do that every month. Those of you who are taking the contrary position to the extent that you have really amaze me. The education systems is recent years have forgotten to teach their charges how to think critically. They teach them to repeat facts by rote and not analyze/critique, at least not until the last few years of post secondary education. It's a struggle to get them to step outside the box.
I've said it before but it's worth repeating this argument is about a system that when nothing happens chances are everything worked and no one gets fingers pointed at them. When it doesn't and the public finds out, duck.
It good that we are here discussing it. A lot of us will not change our position. It's the soft 50% there that is a most to hear from.
The latest number from the medical experts at Health Canada are;
~20% of Canada's population have been inoculated, the best in the world
-confirmed 198 have died from H1N1, 8 in the last week
-confirmed 36 serious reactions, requiring hospital care, 1:100,000
- a possibility of one death by anaphylactic reaction, I REPEAT 'possibly' as it's still under investigation.
If you think these figure are a lie. What can be said, meh!
a 1:100,00 chance is pretty good for me.
Just for fun;
Odds of bowling a 300 game: 11,500 to 1
Odds of getting a hole in one: 5,000 to 1
Odds of getting canonized: 20,000,000 to 1
Odds of being an astronaut: 13,200,000 to 1
Odds of winning an Olympic medal: 662,000 to 1
Odds of an American speaking Cherokee: 15000 to 1
Odds that a person between the age of 18 and 29 does NOT read a newspaper regularly: 3 to 1
Odds that an American adult does not want to live to age 120 under any circumstances: 3 to 2
Odds of injury from fireworks: 19,556 to 1
Odds of injury from shaving: 6,585 to 1
Odds of injury from using a chain saw: 4,464 to 1
Odds of injury from mowing the lawn: 3,623 to 1
Odds of fatally slipping in bath or shower: 2,232 to 1
Odds of drowning in a bathtub: 685,000 to 1
Odds of being killed on a 5-mile bus trip: 500,000,000 to 1
Odds of being killed sometime in the next year in any sort of transportation accident: 77 to 1
Odds of being killed in any sort of non-transportation accident: 69 to 1
Odds of being struck by lightning: 576,000 to 1
Odds of being killed by lightning: 2,320,000 to 1
Odds of being murdered: 18,000 to 1
Odds of getting away with murder: 2 to 1
Odds of being the victim of serious crime in your lifetime: 20 to 1
Odds of dating a supermodel: 88,000 to 1
Odds of being considered possessed by Satan: 7,000 to 1
Odds that a first marriage will survive without separation or divorce for 15 years: 1.3 to 1
Odds that a celebrity marriage will last a lifetime: 3 to 1
Odds of getting hemorrhoids: 25 to 1
Odds of being born a twin in North America: 90 to 1
Odds of being on plane with a drunken pilot: 117 to 1
Odds of being audited by the IRS: 175 to 1
Odds of having your identity stolen: 200 to 1
Odds of dating a millionaire: 215 to 1
Odds of dating a supermodel: 88,000 to 1
Odds of writing a New York Times best seller: 220 to 1
Odds of finding out your child is a genius: 250 to 1
Odds of catching a ball at a major league ballgame: 563 to 1
Odds of becoming a pro athlete: 22,000 to 1
Odds of finding a four-leaf clover on first try: 10,000 to 1
Odds of a person in the military winning the Medal of Honor: 11,000 to 1
Odds of winning an Academy Award: 11,500 to 1
Odds of striking it rich on Antiques Roadshow: 60,000 to 1
Odds of getting a royal flush in poker on first five cards dealt: 649,740 to 1
Odds of spotting a UFO today: 3,000,000 to 1
Odds of becoming president: 10,000,000 to 1
Odds of winning the California lottery: 13,000,000 to 1
Odds of becoming a saint: 20,000,000 to 1
Odds of a meteor landing on your house: 182,138,880,000,000 to 1
Chance of an American home having at least one container of ice cream in the freezer: 9 in 10.
Chance of dying from any kind of injury during the next year: 1 in 1,820
Chance of dying from intentional self-harm: 1 in 9,380
Chance of dying from an assault: 1 in 16,421
Chance of dying from a car accident: 1 in 18,585
Chance of dying from any kind of fall: 1 in 20,666
Chance of dying from accidental drowning: 1 in 79,065
Chance of dying from exposure to smoke, fire, and flames: 1 in 81,524
Chance of dying in an explosion: 1 in 107,787
Chance that Earth will experience a catastrophic collision with an asteroid in the next 100 years: 1 in 5,000
Chance of dying in such a collision: 1 in 20,000
Chance of dying from exposure to forces of nature (heat, cold, lightning, earthquake, flood): 1 in 225,107
Chance of dying in an airplane accident: 1 in 354,319
Chance of dying from choking on food: 1 in 370,035
Chance of dying in a terrorist attack while visiting a foreign country: 1 in 650,000
Chance of dying in a fireworks accident: 1 in 1,000,000
Chance of dying from overexertion, travel or privation: 1 in 1,428,377
Chance of dying from food poisoning: 1 in 3,000,000
Chance of dying from legal execution: 1 in 3,441,325
Chance of dying from contact with hot tap water: 1 in 5,005,564
Chance of dying from parts falling off an airplane: 1 in 10,000,000
Chance of dying from ignition or melting of nightwear: 1 in 30,589,556
Chance of dying from being bitten by a dog: 1 in 700,000
Chance of dying from contact with a venomous animal or plant: 1 in 3,441,325
Chance of dying from being bitten or struck by mammals (other than dogs or humans): 1 in 4,235,477
Chance of dying from a mountain lion attack in California: 1 in 32,000,000
Chance of dying from a shark attack: 1 in 300,000,000
Chance of having a stroke: 1 in 6
Chance of dying from heart disease: 1 in 3
Chance of getting arthritis: 1 in 7
Chance of suffering from asthma or allergy diseases: 1 in 6
Chance of getting the flu this year: 1 in 10
Chance of contracting the human version of mad cow disease: 1 in 40,000,000
Chance of dying from SARS in the United States: 1 in 100,000,000
Chance of American man developing cancer in his lifetime: 1 in 2
Chance of an American woman developing cancer in her lifetime: 1 in 3
Chance of getting prostate cancer: 1 in 6
Chance of getting breast cancer: 1 in 9
Chance of getting colon / rectal cancer: 1 in 26
Chance of beating pancreatic or liver cancer: 1 in 9
Chance of beating thyroid or testicular cancer: 9 in 10
The vaccine is widespread enough now that it's going to dent Canadian statistics to the point where they won't be comparable to other years. With the 25% highest risk segment now immune that will make a huge difference.
The thing to do going forward is to compare Canadian results to the results in countries that failed to vaccinate people.
My prediction is that Canadian mortality will be FAR lower than in countries that did not run a proper vaccination program.
You are wrong. The reality is that case load for influenza-like illness is now higher than it has been since such things were tracked.
You also keep quoting the confirmed numbers, despite the fact that those numbers are no longer updated in the overwhelming majority of cases--doctors have been told to stop testing for H1N1.
I have already supplied you with numerous peer reviewed journals indicating that it's more virulent than seasonal flu. Influenza like case load in hospitals in in fact higher than it has ever been since they began recording such things, completely contrary to your wrong claim.
Stop trying to compute your own statistics you suck at it.
No, because after that travesty the flu vaccine was released to doctors offices, thousands upon thousands of them, which is where the overwhelming majority of people have been vaccinated.
Thanks.
I asked my wife on Sunday (just after we finished having sex...) We were reminiscing, couples do that... (not sure if you were aware... but I digress), "Hey babe, can you remember the last time I was sick?" I asked. She thought about it for awhile and said, "You? Get sick? Since when?"
I appreciate the sentiment. I've never had a seasonal flu shot either.
I asked my wife on Sunday (just after we finished having sex...) We were reminiscing, couples do that... (not sure if you were aware... but I digress), "Hey babe, can you remember the last time I was sick?" I asked. She thought about it for awhile and said, "You? Get sick? Since when?"
