Sometimes the location and number of these spots make absolutely no sense. A lot of them are empty, and they take up 2 or more regular spots. But the one that had me scratching my head recently was the one at the Warden subway. If any of you guys know the subway, there is the $4 parking right beside the station, and the $3 parking on the north side across St. Clair. To get to the station from that one you have to go down 2 flights of stairs (20 steps each) and walk along the bus driveway to the station, then go up the stairs, and then enter the station. There are no elevators (at least that I can see). I can't figure out whay they would have disabled parking in that area. Which disabled persons would be capable of all that walking and climbing the stairs? Of course, the spots are always empty. Go figure.
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Your post makes it sound like you covet those spots - that they aren't really "needed". It's not really up to you to say. You simply need to respect that they are there. Keep in mind that not everyone who has a sticker can't walk. It could be that the guy has a heart condition, or cancer and simply needs a break.
Consider yourself fortunate that you don't need the handicapped spots and stop whining about the fact that you can't park there.
Consider yourself fortunate that you don't need the handicapped spots and stop whining about the fact that you can't park there.
Sometimes I actually would like to park there. Most times it doesn't matter. The subway one kind of made me wonder since it is a fairly long and arduous route to the subway from that location. If someone had a heart condition, then I am sure that would aggravate the condition. But your other points make sense.
Here CG's take on this issue...
Does it bug me that "Handyman" spots are empty most of the time? HELL NO!!!
What would bother me is, if I were in the condition needed to have to park in one.
(I usually park in all the empty spots far away from the doors... better for me to walk the extra steps, and better for my paint job too!)
http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/parking_notice.jpg
Does it bug me that "Handyman" spots are empty most of the time? HELL NO!!!
What would bother me is, if I were in the condition needed to have to park in one.
(I usually park in all the empty spots far away from the doors... better for me to walk the extra steps, and better for my paint job too!)
http://laughingsquid.com/wp-content/uploads/parking_notice.jpg
Geez, another thread whining about handicap spots? Maybe next time don't wear your high heels out shopping. Be a man and give the disabled a breaK.
I would guess it's a by-law issue x number of spots in any parking lot are reserved for Handicapped...I agree that in 'practicality' it may not make sense and such by-laws should really take into account location (i.e. x spots within y meters of the entrance etc. ), if indeed that is the reason for them being there.
1) I don't believe there is a PhD or an IQ test required when assigning disabled spots.
2) At Warden I'd bet those spot were assigned when there was a whole shopping centre to the north and not everyone using them was going to the subway. Once assigned they just get repainted, see 1) above.
3) Not everyone is disabled in a way that makes stairs out of the question. The mentally disabled who use them when they shouldn't f'rinstance.
2) At Warden I'd bet those spot were assigned when there was a whole shopping centre to the north and not everyone using them was going to the subway. Once assigned they just get repainted, see 1) above.
3) Not everyone is disabled in a way that makes stairs out of the question. The mentally disabled who use them when they shouldn't f'rinstance.
Am I the only one who understands the OP? He has no objection to handicapped parking spots. Just to uselessly placed ones that will never serve their intended users, and just end up reducing parking capacity. I agree. Placing handicapped spots in a parking lot that can only be accessed using multiple stairways is a boneheaded beaureaucratic move. Like automatically-timed sprinklers that water the lawn on a rainy day.
btw, isn't it an interesting irony that A federation Captain and a Klingon are arguing this issue?
btw, isn't it an interesting irony that A federation Captain and a Klingon are arguing this issue?
Lol!!!
(Not specifically with Worf though...)
Ironic? Na... Kirk argued with Klingons the time!
(Not specifically with Worf though...)
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Yes, I noticed that one also. I must say I have never met Jim Kirk in person, since his Enterprise is way before mine. And we are supposed to allies now, but I think that ever since my great-great-great-great grandpa killed his son, he has something against klingons.
Guys, if you use the station parking, it is strange to see them, and they are all empty. The funny thing is, by the time I usually get to the station, regardless of whether they were disabled or not, they would all be full and I still wouldn't get to use them. And what is even more funny is that the closer parking lot doesn't have as many disabled spots, or even any for that matter (I will have to check this out). I can park much 'closer' to the walkway in that lot. My point in this topic is the placement of the disabled spots. It is not convenient for this station, and I don't think the availability of places in the north lot serves any disabled persons - especially if you have to pay $3 to get in.
The broader issue of disabled parking is another topic that I am sure would go on for a long time.
As with a lot of topics in the lounge, comments are made about all sorts of things.
No Wha, you are not the only one who understands.
For anyone who has ever been there understands the OPs intended opinion. There is also a crossover where you must go up and over a TTC roadway down the other side, then under ST.Clair to the station. Once there one must climb quite a few stairs to get into the pay area where you can board the subway or a bus.
When Warden Woods was there this parking lot was a level down from the mall and it's own parking lot. It was only three or five steps, something like that, but lower none the less.
Having Handicap Parking in this lot makes no sense and never did.
On a side note, I also noticed it was Kirk vs a Klingon.
Worf, I believe your great, great grandfather represented Kirk at his Klingon trail. To the best of my knowledge he had nothing to do with the death of Kirk's son.
Not to want to hijack a thread, but.....
Why is toilet paper like the Enterprise?
It circles Uranus looking for Klingons.
Well, maybe not.
All this quibbling reminds me... Don't ever let me catch a handicapped guy using one of our spots.
This may help clarify: You can have a handicap sticker and still be able to climb stairs! When I was undergoing chemotherapy treatment, I was given a temporary permit. I looked healthy, and could climb a flight of stairs, but some days, energy was very difficult to come by. I could see how a parking spot close to the stairs would be helpful to some. Throughout my treatment, I could never bring myself to use my permit, but I can fully understand how someone might need it in the environment you describe.
I haven't had to take public transportation since graduating high school, so I'm not familiar with the subway stop you speak of, but seemingly, there could be a need for a handicapped parking spot.
I haven't had to take public transportation since graduating high school, so I'm not familiar with the subway stop you speak of, but seemingly, there could be a need for a handicapped parking spot.
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Ok, you guys got me going now. For the record I have some background about this topic as a family member of mine is legally disabled.
What does diabled mean, it means the person has a disability that make mobility not as the normal person. Therefore, the person may be able to walk sometimes and other times they may require use of walker/cane/crutches. It could also mean the person can walk but not able to for any distance. Most people don't understand that pain can be a big factor where it limits the amount of walking that can be done. This is why there are a few spots for these conditions where they aren't confined to a wheelchair but do not have full mobility.
Since i'm all torked here, my pet peeves are people that park just outside stores in plazas, especially when there is a spot fucking 10 feet away! The usual comment they make is 'oh, sorry I only went in for a minute'. Little do they realize they made someone disabled have to walk around the car and step down a curb. Yes those ramps are there for a reason and often their blocked because someone didn't think to park in the right place.
The message i'm trying to get at is disabilities come in different forms and some are not as easy to tell by looking at the person. I can attest to the hastles required to get a disabled parking sticker so they must need it if they got it. A part of obtaining this is to get an accessment of their function. So if their leg only travels say 10 degrees the accessment will push beyond to say 15 degree. What does this mean usually a couple months of that person recovering from the accessment.
Its not fun to be disabled so lets respect them and try to make life a little less difficult than it already is for them.
GDL
Ok, you guys got me going now. For the record I have some background about this topic as a family member of mine is legally disabled.
What does diabled mean, it means the person has a disability that make mobility not as the normal person. Therefore, the person may be able to walk sometimes and other times they may require use of walker/cane/crutches. It could also mean the person can walk but not able to for any distance. Most people don't understand that pain can be a big factor where it limits the amount of walking that can be done. This is why there are a few spots for these conditions where they aren't confined to a wheelchair but do not have full mobility.
Since i'm all torked here, my pet peeves are people that park just outside stores in plazas, especially when there is a spot fucking 10 feet away! The usual comment they make is 'oh, sorry I only went in for a minute'. Little do they realize they made someone disabled have to walk around the car and step down a curb. Yes those ramps are there for a reason and often their blocked because someone didn't think to park in the right place.
The message i'm trying to get at is disabilities come in different forms and some are not as easy to tell by looking at the person. I can attest to the hastles required to get a disabled parking sticker so they must need it if they got it. A part of obtaining this is to get an accessment of their function. So if their leg only travels say 10 degrees the accessment will push beyond to say 15 degree. What does this mean usually a couple months of that person recovering from the accessment.
Its not fun to be disabled so lets respect them and try to make life a little less difficult than it already is for them.
GDL
THANK YOUOk, you guys got me going now. For the record I have some background about this topic as a family member of mine is legally disabled.
What does diabled mean, it means the person has a disability that make mobility not as the normal person. Therefore, the person may be able to walk sometimes and other times they may require use of walker/cane/crutches. It could also mean the person can walk but not able to for any distance. Most people don't understand that pain can be a big factor where it limits the amount of walking that can be done. This is why there are a few spots for these conditions where they aren't confined to a wheelchair but do not have full mobility.
Since i'm all torked here, my pet peeves are people that park just outside stores in plazas, especially when there is a spot fucking 10 feet away! The usual comment they make is 'oh, sorry I only went in for a minute'. Little do they realize they made someone disabled have to walk around the car and step down a curb. Yes those ramps are there for a reason and often their blocked because someone didn't think to park in the right place.
The message i'm trying to get at is disabilities come in different forms and some are not as easy to tell by looking at the person. I can attest to the hastles required to get a disabled parking sticker so they must need it if they got it. A part of obtaining this is to get an accessment of their function. So if their leg only travels say 10 degrees the accessment will push beyond to say 15 degree. What does this mean usually a couple months of that person recovering from the accessment.
Its not fun to be disabled so lets respect them and try to make life a little less difficult than it already is for them.
GDL
I for one wish I didn't NEED these spots BUT the fact is I DO
This actually brings to light a few issues (for lack of a better word) with handicapped spots etc.
1) If someone is mentally handicapped, they shouldn't be driving a fricken car in the first place lol..
2) I hate to have been sitting on the panel that makes the decision on what handicapped physical problems qualify for handicapped status. If it is just pain?, TFB. Not to say for nothing but being in the trades I just about always have some sort of physical ailment: from a herniated disc, to a blown out knee, to dropping shit on my feet, climbing 11 stories of stairs just to get to site, etc etc.
3) Wheelchair bound: ummm they're on wheels so it is actually easier for them to roll the extra 20 or 30 yards than it is someone with a bum knee to walk lol....
As the OP stated, it isn't that they aren't need (handicapped spots) just that the logic behind them sometime confuses. I brought this up once before: handicapped spots at Home Depot. Now yes, they might be there to buy appliances but they certainly aren't there to buy a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood.......
This also brings back the topic of specialty reserved spots: pregnant mothers, customers with kids, elderly, what's next? Customers with expensive car spots? Customers with Swedish Cars? Customers with large families?
Pretty soon, the only spots for "normal" people will be so far away you'll have to take a bus or cab to the store (kind of like Disney World in FLA lol....
1) If someone is mentally handicapped, they shouldn't be driving a fricken car in the first place lol..
2) I hate to have been sitting on the panel that makes the decision on what handicapped physical problems qualify for handicapped status. If it is just pain?, TFB. Not to say for nothing but being in the trades I just about always have some sort of physical ailment: from a herniated disc, to a blown out knee, to dropping shit on my feet, climbing 11 stories of stairs just to get to site, etc etc.
3) Wheelchair bound: ummm they're on wheels so it is actually easier for them to roll the extra 20 or 30 yards than it is someone with a bum knee to walk lol....
As the OP stated, it isn't that they aren't need (handicapped spots) just that the logic behind them sometime confuses. I brought this up once before: handicapped spots at Home Depot. Now yes, they might be there to buy appliances but they certainly aren't there to buy a 4 x 8 sheet of plywood.......
This also brings back the topic of specialty reserved spots: pregnant mothers, customers with kids, elderly, what's next? Customers with expensive car spots? Customers with Swedish Cars? Customers with large families?
Pretty soon, the only spots for "normal" people will be so far away you'll have to take a bus or cab to the store (kind of like Disney World in FLA lol....
