Defund Acorn Act blatently unconstitutional

Cinema Face

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Acorn is a government funded organization that makes a practice out of "gaming" the system.

Acorn's been busted and exposed for what they really are. So it's time to pull their funding.
 

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Gramage, reread post #3, hopefully, I answered your question there.
I read post 3, the problem with that is if you specify what they did wrong other organizations that have done very similar things to abuse their government contracts will not face similar penalties making the punishment clearly biased. And if you don't specify what they did wrong you're banning them from funding for no listed reason which is just stupid since you're doing it for a reason. Either way I don't see how it is valid as an act of congress as opposed to waiting until the next budget bill when you just choose to not renew their funding without an official ban. But of course that wouldn't help election campaigns as much as this BS does so they choose to do it the wrong way.
 

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I read post 3, the problem with that is if you specify what they did wrong other organizations that have done very similar things to abuse their government contracts will not face similar penalties making the punishment clearly biased. And if you don't specify what they did wrong you're banning them from funding for no listed reason which is just stupid since you're doing it for a reason. Either way I don't see how it is valid as an act of congress as opposed to waiting until the next budget bill when you just choose to not renew their funding without an official ban. But of course that wouldn't help election campaigns as much as this BS does so they choose to do it the wrong way.
Basicly Gramage because the amendment does not retroactively take away money ACORN has already recived, rather it says no money in the future.

In previous cases the courts have never required Congress to show even rough consistency or proportionality in their decisions to fund or defund, particular organizations recieving Federal monies.

The Courts have agreed with Congress that each Congress has the absolute right to make appropriations and therefore also has the absolute right not to make appropriations.

Perhaps the confusion rises from Rachel Maddow making a political point: Oh it is so mean and unfair of congress to give money to Defense Contractors and not to ACORN. Legally, so what? Congress is allowed to take the action it did and her Article One argument is really a red herring.

As to your last sentence I might point out that the amendment passed with strong bipartisan support. Most Representatives and Senators find it difficult to defend an organization caught on video violating the types of laws that most of their constituents both know and care about.
 
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I suspect, being a Rhodes Scholar, with a PHD in politics from Oxford, she knows a thing or two about research and is a little closer to brilliant than most of us on this BB.

She's also seen the dark side having been raised in a conservative Roman Catholic household and community.
Just a shot from the far side ....... but when does a PHD in politics mean you are smart??????????????????
 

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Just a shot from the far side ....... but when does a PHD in politics mean you are smart??????????????????
I could simply respond by sating when did it mean you weren't. It's no guarantee but it's a good chance they're are smart, especially in their field of study.

A PHD in Archeology might not be brilliant in Biology, a PHD in History might not be brilliant in Theoretical Physics, but in their own field of study, they probably are. I don't think I'd go to a biologist for a question on string theory, nor and archeologist for a question in on the Socio-economics implication of pegging the price of oil to the Euro, but you get my drift. The fact that her PHD is in politics and from Oxford, makes it a good bet she's well prepared to talk about that area. She sure didn't get it a third rate christian college in Florida, like some lawyers I knew.

I thought for a second there you were going to question her knowledge of the dark side, but hey.
 

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The fact that her PHD is in politics and from Oxford, makes it a good bet she's well prepared to talk about that area.
Rachel Maddow's Dissertation compared the responses to HIV of the prison systems in Great Britain and California.

Although Bishop Fleming is doubtless rolling in his grave she was a member of the Middle Common Room at Lincoln College.
 

blackrock13

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Rachel Maddow's Dissertation compared the responses to HIV of the prison systems in Great Britain and California.

Although Bishop Fleming is doubtless rolling in his grave she was a member of the Middle Common Room at Lincoln College.
...and my degrees have little to do with my career path. A large chunk of PHDs today don't work in their field of study. At least in my circle. It appears she did sideways, as a 'political' commentator.

The remark about Middle Common House means surprisingly so little to me, it's almost inconsequential.

I stayed in 'D' block so what.
 
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The remark about Middle Common House means surprisingly so little to me, it's almost inconsequential.
At the Colleges that make up Oxford and Cambridge; the Undergraduates make up the Junior Common Room; at most Colleges, the Middle Common Room are the Postgraduate Students; and the Senior Common Room are the Faculty (Dons), although in some Colleges there is no Middle Common Room and the Postgraduate Students are members of the Senior Common Room.

Other than as short hand for Undergraduate, Postgraduate and Faculty, as a practical matter it mostly has to do with seating arrangements at Formal College Dinners, of which there are a number during the year, and access to various college pubs.
 

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At the Colleges that make up Oxford and Cambridge; the Undergraduates make up the Junior Common Room; at most Colleges, the Middle Common Room are the Postgraduate Students; and the Senior Common Room are the Faculty (Dons), although in some Colleges there is no Middle Common Room and the Postgraduate Students are members of the Senior Common Room.

As a practical matter it mostly has to do with seating arrangements at Formal College Dinners, of which there are a number during the year, and access to student pubs.
...a so your comment about Middle Common Room tells me what, that she lived on campus? How's that relevant to her skills, knowledge, aptitude, or smarts?
 

Aardvark154

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...a so your comment about Middle Common Room tells me what, that she lived on campus? How's that relevant to her skills, knowledge, aptitude, or smarts?
Stop being so damn defensive. I merely mentioned as a point of interest what College she was a member of at Oxford.

Perhaps no one else at all gives a damn, I, however, thought it of at least of some interest. Certainly anyone with knowlege of Oxford would see it of interest.
 

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Stop being so damn defensive. I merely mentioned as a point of interest what College she was a member of at Oxford.

Perhaps no one else at all gives a damn, I, however, thought it of at least of some interest. Certainly anyone with knowlege of Oxford would see it of interest.
Oouch!
 

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And I thought I was laying in a cheap shot at politicians and those who study them.....

Bummer smacked down again.....
 

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All these attacks on Acorn are just another 'swift boat' campaign by the nutzy neocons, nothing more!....:rolleyes:



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