Living in Thailand?

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This is a question to any of the guys that have been to Thailand, could any of you live there or do you think it's a great holiday and the novelty would wear off after a while? Would the culture shock be too much to handle after a while.

I'm contemplating working here for another 5-6 years, hopefully have enough to retire on and possibly move to TL and hook up with a lady, spend some time over here and some over there, this sounds like a good idea but it's one thing to have a 4 week vacation but quite another to live there, language barrier, cultural differences etc.

I'm quite comfy here and worry the shock of not seeing anyone I know would be difficult after a while. I met a few guys over there that were doing it but I guess it's up to the individual, any thoughts. I hope Jazmin is still around, I'd like to hear her opinion.
 
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Anyone that moves there is never seen from or heard from again. Not sure if they're dead or knee deep in Thai beauties and they dont have time to call/write home. lol

Im jealous. Do it, report back with pics! Dont forget to have a guest room for us to visit you (1 at a time of course lol)
 

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Caralho Gigante said:
Anyone that moves there is never seen from or heard from again. Not sure if they're dead or knee deep in Thai beauties and they dont have time to call/write home. lol

Im jealous. Do it, report back with pics! Dont forget to have a guest room for us to visit you (1 at a time of course lol)
Actually the non stop party scene gets old after a while, I was thinking of moving north where it's a little cooler, I think I'm crazy.
 

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BallzDeep said:
Actually the non stop party scene gets old after a while, I was thinking of moving north where it's a little cooler, I think I'm crazy.
are you crazy??
 

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It sounds like you have never even been there for a visit. Why not do that first, and see how you like it?
 

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It sounds like you have never even been there for a visit. Why not do that first, and see how you like it?
ditto! see, men tend to think with their balls lol
 

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From your question, it's not quite clear what your own experience of Thailand has been. How familiar are you with the blessed place?

It's my favourite spot on earth. I had no qualms about planning to spend all my time there once I retired, but recent personal developments convinced me to alter those plans. I've spent up to 6 months at a time there, been back quite a few times, and my love for the place only deepens with each visit. I don't have much patience or regard for the type of visitor that goes there to fuck, but otherwise hates the place. Those guys usually loathe themselves too.

You are absolutely right that the party scene quickly gets old. If that's what you want, you plan to go there for a few weeks at a time as often as you like, but not live there.

To move there, you should have an affinity for the place that goes beyond the girls. That's obvious isn't it? You should love the food, the culture, be able to make friends...otherwise it's not much of a life.
 

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luckyjackson said:
From your question, it's not quite clear what your own experience of Thailand has been. How familiar are you with the blessed place?

It's my favourite spot on earth. I had no qualms about planning to spend all my time there once I retired, but recent personal developments convinced me to alter those plans. I've spent up to 6 months at a time there, been back quite a few times, and my love for the place only deepens with each visit. I don't have much patience or regard for the type of visitor that goes there to fuck, but otherwise hates the place. Those guys usually loathe themselves too.

You are absolutely right that the party scene quickly gets old. If that's what you want, you plan to go there for a few weeks at a time as often as you like, but not live there.

To move there, you should have an affinity for the place that goes beyond the girls. That's obvious isn't it? You should love the food, the culture, be able to make friends...otherwise it's not much of a life.
All good points, I was there for six weeks 6 months ago, BK, pataya, phuket, strictly the party scene, couldn't lead that lifestyle very long, thought of staying in Chang mai where the weather is cooler. I would want to be financially stable enough where I could spend time here as well.
 

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Hong Kong, China — According to the United Nations, the Royal Thai Police are organized criminals.

That, at least, is the inference to be drawn from looking at its Convention against Transnational Organized Crime, which was adopted in 2001 and which defines an organized crime group as involving at least three people acting in concert over a period of time "with the aim of committing one or more serious crimes or offences… in order to obtain… a financial or other material benefit."

It would be hard to overstate the extent to which Thailand's police fit this definition. A browse through a few newspapers of recent weeks alone reveals as much.

In February there was the case of the border patrol unit that abducted and tortured people to extract money and force them to confess to narcotics charges. So far over 100 complaints have been lodged against it, the majority from persons serving jail terms, and also one policeman. Although the low-ranking officers involved have surrendered, investigators have reportedly said that there is no evidence to link their wrongdoing to their superiors.

Then was the car scam, which came unstuck when a victim of theft went to police headquarters to file a complaint and found his vehicle sitting in the parking lot: not impounded, being used by personnel.

The police had colluded with rental companies to steal perhaps over 1,000 new automobiles by fraud. So far, only a few of the cars have been recovered. Many will have been sold into Cambodia and Burma. The operation apparently stretched over a wide area and involved police from various units, including Special Branch and cyber crime. Senior officers have already sought to exonerate some, saying that they will face only internal, not criminal, inquiries. The hire company directors have been arrested.

Similarly, 21 police forensics staff accused of taking money for the cost of formalin that was never administered have been let off the hook and three civilian employees blamed in their stead. Joking about this case, cartoonist Chai Rachawat wrote in the Thai Rath newspaper that it is anyhow better for police to steal from the dead than from the living: his picture depicts some skeletons standing in coffins and yelling as a policeman makes off with the loot.

Aside from these incidents, police have been implicated in a number of recent killings: some execution-style, another in which a leading forensic scientist has said that their account of what happened does not match the evidence. Torture and other abuses meanwhile go on as normal.

Thailand's police did not become an organized crime gang by accident. The modern force was from the beginning intended both as a criminal and political agency, monopolizing the drug trade and murdering or detaining opponents, including other police. It quickly became unstoppable as, historian Thak Chaloemtiara notes, while people whispered about its crimes "investigation was impossible, for the crimes were committed by the police themselves."

Its heyday as an unsurpassed crime venture may have been in the 1950s, but until now the police force remains beyond the law and answerable unto itself. The institutional features of its criminality, including the routine use of force and self-financing of individual officers and stations, speak to how incidents of the sort described above are organized, not haphazard.

These conditions present persons interested in improving the work of the police with profound and peculiar difficulties. For some three decades there has been talk of reform, and a few attempts, including one by the interim prime minister of the recent military government. But all have failed, in the same way that attempts to turn any other organized crime group into a legitimate enterprise against the will of its members could not possibly do otherwise.

But had any attempts at reforming the Royal Thai Police succeeded, would it really have made any difference? Wouldn't a reformed organized crime group remain what it is at its roots? How different are reformed organized criminals from their unreformed counterparts?

These questions could be cause for despair. After all, if things are that bad, then why bother? There are indeed many who think in this way, and do not believe that the police in Thailand can ever be significantly changed. Unsurprisingly, when this sort of thinking becomes widespread, it guarantees that things go on as usual. Without hope that anything can be done about the police, nothing can.

On the other hand, pretending that things aren't as bad as they really are also ensures that things go on as usual. It allows people to fool themselves into thinking that a few quick fixes, like decentralizing and better training, may result in improvements. Superficially, they might. But anybody who looks honestly and seriously at the work of the police in Thailand for long enough will be obliged to acknowledge that it will take much more than this.

That's why the U.N. definition is helpful. Let's be honest and describe Thailand's police as they are: organized criminals in uniform. If this much can be admitted, then it might be possible to get down to the business of what to do about them.

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(Awzar Thi is the pen name of a member of the Asian Human Rights Commission with over 15 years of experience as an advocate of human rights and the rule of law in Thailand and Burma. His Rule of Lords blog can be read at http://ratchasima.net.)


http://www.upiasia.com/Human_Rights/2008/03/27/thai_police_are_best_organized_criminals/2369/
 

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A recent but now ex-bar owner has done something no bar owner has ever done and stepped forward to spill the beans on the men on brown and just how much money they take from bar owners' pockets. So he tells me, the small bars in and around Sukhumvit sois 7/1 and 8 pay an average of 6,000 baht a month to the police. 1,500 is for the guys you always see drinking whisky at the end of the soi who are actually traffic cops that hang around at night to supplement their income while the remaining 4,500 baht ends up at the police station, a senior officer visiting every month, in uniform surprisingly, to collect. The Thai bar owners, of which there are few, pay less. You didn't think otherwise, did you?! So the question that has to be asked it just why these bars are paying. It's not like birthday suits are the order of the day in that little neighbourhood. Unlike Pattaya, Bangkok bar owners are much less likely to work together, and a number of bar 'owners' are without work permits and do visa runs every 3 months meaning they are forever vulnerable. The police know this and know that it is easier for them to pay. Remember, at the end of the day, working without a work permit is not that serious an offence and one the coppers are less worried about, although with that said, it can still result in a short stay in the monkey house. One night after a very drunk customer refused to pay his bill an owner in soi 7/1 called the police to ask them to assist. Their response was to ask how much they would be paid if they attended. After reminding them they were paid them each month and if they didn't attend his profits would be down and their stipend under threat they duly sent someone round!

I know you don't like to hear bad news but it's my responsibility to tell you what is happening out there, what The Nation and The Bangkok Post won't print. An Aussie couple was the latest Western victims of muggers in downtown Bangkok this week. They had their bags ripped from them right outside the Indonesian Embassy on Petchaburi Road, very close to Panthip Plaza, in what is becoming a trend of more and more Westerners being robbed or mugged in central, crowded parts of the city in broad daylight. To make it worse, the lady suffered a dislocated shoulder that required a trip to Bumrungrad - and 15,000 baht to put right. The cops were hopeless and follow up with the Aussie Embassy left the couple unimpressed. That's another two Aussies who will never step foot in this country again. Sure, this sort of thing happens all over the world, but what is pissing people off is that the trend is for such crimes to happen more and more - and for the police to be HOPELESS offering assistance.

As I said before, one of my big complaints about the local English-language newspapers is that they seldom seem to do follow ups on the stories that pique the interest of the Western population, those cases where foreigners are accused of crimes or perhaps where foreigners are the victims of crimes. One such case was the murder of Canadian Dale Henry in Ranong by his Thai wife. Well, don't count on reading about it in the Post or The Nation but you can get an update here on Stickman! The trial begins on July 28th in the city of Ranong and is scheduled to last 5 days. Hopefully justice will be served. The brother of the victim, who I have been in contact with, believes that there is ample evidence but this being Thailand, who knows? Related to the same case, he is currently proceeding with a civil action as well and the final hearing should be July 27th. He was finally able to get bank records from his brother's personal account which showed that his brother's employer deposited $US 21,000 into his account which was withdrawn over a period of 10 days whilst Nee, the accused, was in the monkey house. The brother had filed a report with police and asked them to investigate who had withdrawn money from his account as the balance had been reduced to 57 baht. After trying to defer it, the copper reluctantly filled out a report. He was told the following week by a detective that there was no reason to investigate so the cops would not proceed further! What more reason do you need? What a total croc! As a friend of mine once said, it's best to avoid any problems in Thailand all together because if you get into trouble you will find yourself all on your own. So true, it would seem.


http://www.stickmanweekly.com/StickmanBangkokWeeklyColumn2009/ThailandBarManagers.htm
 

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NOT SO AMAZING, OFTEN-SEEN SCAMS

Writer: VORANAI VANIJAKA
Published: 26/07/2009 at 12:00 AM
Newspaper section: News

Local news coverage, public outrage and government concern over the alleged "zigzag" scam at Suvarnabhumi airport have been at a minimum. Meanwhile, the Western media has been playing it up like Michael Jackson has just passed away for the second time.

It's like the chicken and the egg. Which came first? Are scams and extortion by officials in Thailand such normal practice that no one really cares to make a big deal of them? Or is it because no one cares enough to make a big deal of them that they become normal practices?

But like the chicken and the egg, does it really matter which came first? For in the end, we kill, cook, eat and digest, all the same.

On Saturday, April 25, Stephen Ingram, 49, and Xi Lin, 45, both technology professionals from Cambridge, were detained by airport security on accusations of shoplifting at the King Power duty free shop. CCTV footage shows Ms Lin putting something into her purse. But the image is too obscure to know what that is. However, when security personnel checked her purse and found no stolen goods, that should have been the end of it, right? Apologies for the inconvenience, have a safe flight, chok dee, come back soon and don't forget to tell all your friends about all the amazing, unseen stuff.

But no, that wasn't the end of it.

The police took the couple's passports and detained them in a cheap motel near the airport. Through threats of a jail sentence, Sunil Tony Rathnayaka, a Sri Lankan interpreter for the Thai police, shook them down for a total of 440,000 baht. Mr Sunil warned them not to contact their embassy, family, friends or the press. After four days of detention, the two snuck out and contacted the British Embassy who, according to the couple, said they could not intervene.

In the end, the unlucky duo forked out the money, which went into Mr Sunil's bank account. After all, the thought of sitting interminably in a Thai jail literally scares every dime and shilling out of any tourist.

Interestingly enough, and shady to a fault, Mr Sunil told The Sunday Times, "this is Thailand"; this is the way it goes. Corruption, yes. Just pay and go home. The money was not only for police bail, but also for a payment to someone he called "Little Big Man" who supposedly could withdraw the case against them. Why, it's a plot right out of a John Woo movie. Mr Ingram and Ms Lin returned to London on May 1.

Even if it is true - and surely in several cases it is - that certain tourists shoplift from King Power duty free shops, that doesn't make right the consequent scam and extortion. This isn't the first and won't be the last zigzag scam. Recently, a Danish woman and an Irish family suffered similar fates. The story of uniforms and shady interpreters shaking down dumbfounded tourists isn't new, at the airport or elsewhere in Thailand.

Ever since its inception, Suvarnabhumi airport has been no stranger to shady activities, from the CTX scanning machines to the airport trolleys debacle. This latest scandal is simply another blow to Thailand's image - a country that relies heavily on tourism and tries to promote itself incessantly as a high-class destination for world travellers.

While we are never short of fancy slogans, expensive promotional campaigns and luxurious tourism spots, what we do fail at is offering justice to tourists who have been wronged. Then again, we can't even offer justice to our own citizens ... but that's another story.

Scams and extortion happen in Thailand. They happen everywhere in the world. Tourists get raped, robbed or murdered. It happens in Thailand. It happens in every country. These things are not under the control of the police or the government. But justice is - though not every police force or government lives up to its duty.

So far, there hasn't been any warrant issued or arrest made concerning the zigzag scam. However, Airports of Thailand posted a notice that starting from July 28 there will be a major crackdown on illegal taxis and unlicensed guides at Suvarnabhumi. And rightly so. It's a matter of protecting business and profits, after all. Let's hope that they will soon post another notice, one promising a crackdown on scams and extortion by security officials, interpreters and illegal elements within Suvarnbhumi itself.

It's not only a matter of protecting business and profits - the legitimate kind - but also image and plain old decency.

Let us make a big deal - kill and cook, eat and digest the devilish act of zigzagging the country down the toilet. Let us end this "normal practice" so that Thailand can one day walk the wide, straight open road.

All anyone can ask for is justice rather than just seeing matters swept under the carpet. We invest billions to bring tourists to our country. Can we also invest in such a simple concept as justice to keep them coming back?


http://www.bangkokpost.com/opinion/opinion/20950/not-so-amazing-often-seen-scams
 

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American ex-pat detained at Massage Parlor following allegations of conducting a lewd act. :eek:

Pattaya, July 22 [PATTAYA ONE NEWS] : On Wednesday Afternoon, just after 3pm, Police Lieutenant Colonel Prajeub from Pattaya Police Station was called to the Number 2 Beauty and Spa Shop located in Soi Yumet in Central Pattaya by a masseur, Khun Manirat aged 41 who claimed an American Tourist had forced her to place her hand inside his anal passage while he masturbated. This allegedly occurred at the culmination of an oil massage. Mr. Stephen Morefield aged 58 from USA had been detained just outside the shop and was using a towel to protect his identity. However the towel contained evidence of the lewd act. According to the masseur, she managed to pull away and noticed human waste on her hand. She had used the towel, Mr. Morefield was using to conceal his face, moments earlier, to wipe away the waste which was evident for all to see. Mr. Morefield who claimed he had lived in Pattaya for 6 months refused to speak and was taken to Pattaya Police Station for questioning.

http://www.pattayaone.net/news/2009/july/news_22_07_52_3.shtml
 

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Try Somewhere Else, Because the Party’s Over
by Bangkok Barry

When did you last read of anything positive about Thailand? I can’t remember, can you? Things just get worse and worse, and the list of problems just gets longer and longer. You have to seriously wonder just how long ANYONE will want to come to Thailand for a holiday. I already find myself wondering why anyone still does, given the endless stories of scams and knowing there are many other places in the region that are often more beautiful, cheaper and infinitely more welcoming. I can only put it down to a lack of imagination, but it is clear that the word is spreading. There are places to go that simply are more in line with what people expect, want and pay for when they take a long trip overseas for a well-earned vacation.

This month, as usual when I flew back in to Swampypoon airport, I got the same warm welcome by immigration. “Good morning,” I say brightly with a big ‘Thai smile’. “Passport!” snaps the immigration man, before doing whatever he has to do and slinging the passport back at me. That is after, as usual over the past couple of years, I have been on a full flight from Europe and watched as the immigration forms are handed out and no more than a few passengers accept them. They are not planning to stop in Bangkok or anywhere else in Thailand. They are only using Bangkok as a convenient hub, to be departed from again as soon as possible.

Hopefully they don’t try any shopping while waiting for their connecting flight. Because what have we had lately? Well, the King Power Duty Free extortion scam has been going on for months, but has only recently hit the headlines around the world when they picked on the wrong people who bit back. Now, I’ve read, Thailand has been on the front pages of newspapers all over Europe as the tales of tourists being threatened with months in jail awaiting trial for alleged shoplifting go on and on. It has been the most read item on the BBC news website. Whatever the rights and wrongs of the accused, one or two of whom might have been guilty, the manner in which simple cases of shoplifting have been dealt with has ignited worldwide outrage and condemnation.

Briefly, numerous departing visitors have for months been accused of shoplifting, but have had no knowledge of an item placed in their bag when they have made a purchase. Some have been told by the cashier it is a gift, while some didn’t even notice anything added to their bag. Then, once the passenger leaves the shop, they are pounced upon by aggressive security staff and told they will go to prison for six months. They are duly taken to a police station, outside of the airport building even though there is a police office, and a tourist police office, in the main building, and ‘negotiations’ begin. Their passport is taken away and they are told that unless they plead guilty they must wait in prison for two months before their case is heard. Of course, for a hefty fee, sometimes amounting to a US dollar five-figure sum, they can receive an official police letter stating there is no evidence against them and they are free to go.
King Power, who let us remind ourselves obtained their airport monopoly through questionable means with no other bidders allowed, and then encroached upon areas beyond which had been agreed, and then later were ordered out of the airport before a change of government resulted in their ‘errors’ being ignored, says they have evidence. At the same time the accused have letters from the police saying there is no evidence. Strange, hmm. The company, in a belated and half-hearted damage limitation exercise, have posted a couple of videos on their website supposedly proving the guilt of a couple of the more high-profile ‘victims’, but many see them as inconclusive for a variety of reasons - too grainy, they don’t really identify the ‘shoplifters’, there is no indication even of when the video was taken. The situation has become so bad that some European countries have advised their citizens to exercise extreme caution when shopping at the airport. Extreme caution when doing something as harmless as shopping, for crissake! The government, even the Tourism department, have remained silent, doing what Thais do best, which is nothing. Guess if the scam victims, or anyone they know, or many of those who read the stories around the world, are impressed with the Thais. Guess what they’ll say to their friends and family and business colleagues. Find somewhere else.

Then there was the young lad who drowned in a Pattaya water park, while a lifeguard stood by and did nothing. His only job, his ONLY job, is to safeguard lives, but he couldn’t be bothered to investigate when the boy’s distraught mother came screaming to him for help. He thought she was just joking around, he said. He mistook a screaming, begging mother as someone playing a joke. Really! Certainly the lad was foolish in lifting up a grill to try and recover his goggles that had fallen through, but it should have been locked. Guess if it was locked. Guess whether any action is being taken against the park because it wasn’t. The only action taken was by the boys in brown, who homed in on a money-making opportunity when the boy’s distraught father lashed out at an insensitive photographer who was photographing his son’s limp, lifeless body. The father was invited to pay a fine of 24,000 baht for that. Who got the money, I wonder? So much for Thai compassion and respect for life. But it’s a culture thing, isn’t it, the Thai way we foreigners don’t understand, the lust for the locals to see bodies on the front page of newspapers and to hell with the feelings of the bereaved. If you don’t like it, tough, just pay up. Guess if that family, or anyone they know, or many of those who read the story around the world, are impressed with the Thais. Guess what they’ll say to their friends and family and business colleagues. Find somewhere else.

Then in the past few days there were the tourists on holiday at Phuket’s biggest resort, Patong Beach, who had to dodge bullets and run for their lives as some Thai ‘businessmen’ tried to sort out a little matter in the way that Thais know best, with a gun. One man died, several others were injured. And this wasn’t in the early hours of the morning. It was early afternoon. Guess if those who came to Thailand expecting a tranquil time by the sea in the Land of Smiles will be back. Guess what they’ll tell their friends and family and business colleagues. Find somewhere else.

Thais are not known for thinking beyond today, and they just don’t get it. People have come, so they will always come, so let’s take as much from them as we can. All foreigners are rich, all Thais are poor, so it’s justified. No matter that many Thais are poor because they are too lazy to work. It seems to have completely eluded many people in Thailand that there is something called the internet, and when something negative happens to visitors who are accustomed to more civilised behavior then the news is flashed around the world in hours, if not minutes.

We as foreigners are not alone in being constantly taken advantage of, but that is not the good news. That is the bad news. Because ripping people off is part of the national culture, and people will try and take advantage of you whether you are a visitor or a native. It’s the Thai way, all too often. Of course there are good and bad, but the good are suffering, and will suffer even more as less and less people from overseas who contribute a considerable sum to the local economy can be bothered putting up with the hassles. Thai culture is always all about the money. That comes first, and morals and fairness come a very poor second. And it’s not as if Thailand is anything close to the bargain it once was. On my most recent visit to Europe I was stunned at how cheap and of what quality much of the food and drink was. Thailand doesn’t come close. In Thailand, many Western things are at Western prices so where is the advantage there after paying the airfare, and all too often there are first world prices for third world quality.
Before anyone rattles off with the mantra that if you don’t like it here then sod off back where you came from, like many I have made my life here. I have family and friends, and there are aspects of living in Thailand that are good. But at the same time, the reality is that, in a league table of really good places to live, Thailand is nowhere near the top. That is why so many have left, and that number is bound to escalate as more and more tire of the bullshit and general inefficiency that is so much a part of life in Thailand.

Even ordering a meal can be a trial, as you never know if you’ll actually get what you ordered, or what the quality will be. For example, at Seacon Square in Bangkok there is a restaurant that claims to serve steaks from Australia and New Zealand, instead of the local boot leather steaks. But it is a lie. There is absolutely no way the steak I had there was imported. It’s an outright scam, but no-one cares. By the way, two of us ate there and ordered exactly the same food, but one came 15 minutes after the other. See what I mean? Service standards are appalling, but if you complain the result will be floods of tears from someone responding like a six year old when she’s done something wrong, or abuse and ‘you pay!”. My own wife was abused at an ice-cream place in Pattaya when they brought the wrong order, she not realising until she had the first taste. It was her fault for not noticing earlier. Imagine offering that kind of service and lying about the products they sell in the West.
 

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The very people that Thailand had tried to attract, families, are being constantly discouraged from coming because of the endless tales in the overseas press about riots on the street, the airport closures for which still no-one has paid the price - apart from the tourists held hostage, the scams at the Grand Palace, the scams at the Erawan Shrine, the scams at Bangkok’s main railway station, the gem scam and the endless overpricing or ‘special’ prices for foreigners, led by the government with their national park fees and eagerly taken up as an example by the rest of the population, even at high-end attractions such as the aquarium at Siam Paragon and Ripley’s Believe It Or Not in Pattaya. And countless other places. Soon, the only overseas visitors left will be exactly the people the government was half-heartedly trying to get rid of, the sex tourists, because the lure of Thailand’s most famous ‘product’, prostitution, draws those who often are willing enough to put up with the scamming and lies. But even some of those are giving up and going elsewhere. Not that the Thais realise there is anywhere else. They are brought up from birth to believe that Thailand is the greatest place on earth, and no-one can convince them otherwise.

With the economy bound to get worse and worse, and as the tourist industry sinks further and further as more and more realise there is just too much to put up with in Thailand, where is the country headed? As people lose their jobs in the cities, in the factories, and any number of businesses close, partly because of the worldwide recession and partly because Thailand absolutely refuses to join the modern world, what happens to the people? There is no welfare system to help them. No job equals no money equals no food. I imagine that many will flock back to the villages they came from and try to live off the land. They have no alternative. So businesses in the cities, with fewer customers, will struggle even more, with no solution in sight. Thailand, instead of doing everything it can to attract foreign visitors and their money, instead is doing its best to discourage those who do come ever to return. And the economic problems could be nothing compared to the social and political situation that could erupt when His Majesty is no longer around. The future in Thailand is bleak indeed. The country is plunging relentlessly and with increasing speed into an abyss, and the really sad thing is that, despite the effects of the recession, a large part of it is self-inflicted.

http://www.stickmanweekly.com/ReadersSubmissions2009/reader5314.htm
 
Like Jakarta, KL, Singapore, HK, there's some bad rotten operators. Even T.O., NYC, CHI, LA, San Jose, go with reputable places & always be careful.

One of my classmate got so burned out from 1 yr term in Bangkok. Enjoyed it for about 6 mnths then bod wore out. Man did he aged.
 

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This is a question to any of the guys that have been to Thailand, could any of you live there or do you think it's a great holiday and the novelty would wear off after a while? Would the culture shock be too much to handle after a while.

I'm contemplating working here for another 5-6 years, hopefully have enough to retire on and possibly move to TL and hook up with a lady, spend some time over here and some over there, this sounds like a good idea but it's one thing to have a 4 week vacation but quite another to live there, language barrier, cultural differences etc.

I'm quite comfy here and worry the shock of not seeing anyone I know would be difficult after a while. I met a few guys over there that were doing it but I guess it's up to the individual, any thoughts. I hope Jazmin is still around, I'd like to hear her opinion.
Honestly, I think living in Thailand would not just be a culture shock, but it could be an interesting social experiment.
There are lot's of things that you might notice when you start living there.

I was in my hotel one day when apparently the hotel staff though that this guy was sleeping with a prostitude, but apparently she was his wife. He was displeased with the fact that they were rude to them. That's one thing that could start bothering me there. Not that I care what people there think, but you're a farang nonetheless. And farangs are known to do what they do there: get wasted, pick up hookers, get pampered, for cheap.

I think it would be very interesting to start building a genuine social circle, which is not the type of environment that we as vacationers know.
Not entirely sure how that would be like, but I gotta say the non-working local girls there were just amazing! Interesting culture and all that, but you probably can't figure this stuff out in 4 weeks...
 
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