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Toronto Star Article On Toronto Incalls

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The lead story in the star is sensationalistic and distorted. It fails to differentiate between what 99.9% of incalls are and the 0.1% that have underage or enslaved women, writing of them as if they were all like that. They make it sound as though the asian and easturn european women working in a typical Toronto incall are being held there against their will. Plainly they're not.

Amazingly though they actually ran a somewhat sane oped on the topic:

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...cle_PrintFriendly&c=Article&cid=1163199012226
 

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and once again this looney tune left wing piece of crap goes after the adult entertainment industry, anyone remember their charge against mp's where supposedly their male reporter went in got undressed, and when offered sexual services he refused, got dressed and left hahahha yeah ok

some of the Star's great other pieces of journalism are "Blue Jays didnt have enough black players", and an entire issue of recent immigrants doing all sorts of surveys like on Tuesday's more immigrants from the Czech Republic use blue pens than immigrants from Bolivia :D
 

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boffo said:
Well, I can see the point of view of neighbours.

If you live in an apartment or condo, can you honestly say you'd be happy to have an incall business as your next door neighbour?


Firts of all the best way to keep neighbors happy is not to bother them. If you run a business out of your home your neighbors should not be inconvienced by it. Would you want an auto repair shop in as a neighbor on a residentual street????????? Would you want a meat processing plant as a neighbor????



I know but a business is a business.


Keep it low key and no one cares
 

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boffo said:
Well, I can see the point of view of neighbours.

If you live in an apartment or condo, can you honestly say you'd be happy to have an incall business as your next door neighbour?
Well no... but only because if one was next door to me I'd be broke within a month. There's such a thing as TOO convenient!

Serious answer: I would probably not like a multi-girl agency running next door to me. On the other hand, I doubt I'd be particularly bothered by a single independent. It's the volume of traffic that a multi-girl agency generates that would piss me off. Not the _kind_ of traffic.

I would be equally bothered by ANY business running next door to me that had 2-3 customers an hour coming in and out--having a busy tailor for example would be JUST as bothersome.
 

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Wow... they really hit all the bases. Kids. Human trafficking. The "CEO of Sex". Maybe it is a good idea to crack down on these high volume incall places, but if you shut down the MPs, don't assume all the employees are going to go to college. I think the reality is, we were better off with Asian MPs as it provided a red light district in industrial areas. The other reality is, the Star is a horrible paper. They write stories like this wagging their finger but they clearly use them to titillate and sell papers.
 

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The Star manages to suck and blow at the same time.... profiting from the ads in their paper (check classification # 657 - "Body care") ,and their ownership postion of Eye magazine, where many of these ads are located.

They claim it is all legal advertising, but bitch whine and cry at the results... give me a break...

...jumping off my soapbox now... lol

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These guys believe every line of BS the police feed them. Just like in the series last year, they don't bother to question the two-faced cops who claim to be doing everything they can, while their lack of action shows a clear tolerance for the business.

They also seem to think, in a stupidly self congratulatory way, that their "holistic" series last year led to some kind of major crackdown. Other than the one on Queensway, I'm not aware that it led to anything. The one on Bay, which was featured in one of their three articles, moved a few blocks away and changed its name. They may be issuing fewer of those type of licences, but I think those MPs are simply continuing to operate with expired licences hanging on their walls.
 

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Yup. Big Torstar "exposes" are generally a precursor of police busts. The upscale d/t locations are only mentioned once though and most of the coverage is on the suburban Chinese places. Dollars to donuts, the cops hit Scarborough places.
 

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HaywoodJabloemy said:
These guys believe every line of BS the police feed them. Just like in the series last year, they don't bother to question the two-faced cops who claim to be doing everything they can, while their lack of action shows a clear tolerance for the business.

They also seem to think, in a stupidly self congratulatory way, that their "holistic" series last year led to some kind of major crackdown. Other than the one on Queensway, I'm not aware that it led to anything. The one on Bay, which was featured in one of their three articles, simply moved a few blocks away and changed its name. They may be issuing fewer of those type of licences, but I think those MPs are simply continuing to operate with expired licences hanging on their walls.
But understand, please. The "news" is simply just profit-spinning and any real news coverage is incidental. Does the Star really give a crap about whether it tells the truth or not? Probably not so much.

What really matters is that a lot of newspapers get sold and that their buddies on the MTPD keep feeding them juicy titbits. "Sex sells" and so doing a "Sex Trade Expose" once a year that's full of distortions is great for the corporate profit margin. That's all that matters.
 

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fuji said:
...Amazingly though they actually ran a somewhat sane oped on the topic:

http://www.thestar.com/NASApp/cs/Co...cle_PrintFriendly&c=Article&cid=1163199012226
"Government-run"? We don't need the government actually running brothels. It's not realistic to have no rules at all, but Sydney Australia shows you don't even need licensing, just some regulations that allow the police to close down ones that people legitimately complain about because of disrupting their neighbourhood with things like too much traffic with not enough parking... and of course the criminal laws regarding coercion and underaged workers.
 

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Toronto Star today regarding incalls

The Star has a story on 3275 Sheppard Ave today. They even mention apt 508 and 1410. Interesting reading!
 
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the star mentions their exact addresses and apt #'s

these places will probably get robbed before they get busted
 

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Westender said:
The Star manages to suck and blow at the same time.... profiting from the ads in their paper (check classification # 657 - "Body care") ,and their ownership postion of Eye magazine, where many of these ads are located.

They claim it is all legal advertising, but bitch whine and cry at the results... give me a break...
That would be good to send to the "letters to the editor" section. Say you are glad they printed the article etc. etc. and then point out their hypocrisy. Or maybe even send a letter to their ombudsman.
 

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Westender said:
The Star manages to suck and blow at the same time.... profiting from the ads in their paper (check classification # 657 - "Body care") ,and their ownership postion of Eye magazine, where many of these ads are located.

They claim it is all legal advertising, but bitch whine and cry at the results... give me a break...

...jumping off my soapbox now... lol

Westender
You bring up an excellent point! Where are the reporters now?

The star has always played dirty. They (star/eye) probably snitch out the places who pay them for advertising so they can make more from their outragous stories. Makes sense to me.
 

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The Star is not alone...

Their Sister paper - Sing Tao did a similar article with "specific" addresses and apartment numbers. See link below :

http://www.singtao.ca/news.php?nt_seq_id=165314&pick=1

Even for those who cannot read chinese, the Street Number, apartment#'s, and pictures are easily recognized and should be avoided in the near future.

It is ironic that Sing Tao provided these places with advertising columns, take their monies, and screwing them all at the same time..:rolleyes:
 

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I think there is some sort of partnership/owership arrangement with Singtao and Star but I can be wrong.

The problem with these asian incalls is they let groups of guys walk in and don't control traffic flow.
 

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I myself have never visited one of these Asian incall places, and it is my humble opinion most of the young girls working have no other choice. I'm all for shutting these types of operations down. The girls were likely brought over under false pretenses.
 

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Can a story about the internet sex trade, mentioning web sites like The Red Zone and TERB be far behind?
 

woolf

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dann said:
I myself have never visited one of these Asian incall places, and it is my humble opinion most of the young girls working have no other choice. I'm all for shutting these types of operations down. The girls were likely brought over under false pretenses.
I myself have, and have done so many many times over the years, and I can't count how many times the "slave girl" I was seeing would suddenly end up moving to another agency, go independent, or decide that they wanted to do something different ... "slave drivers" obviously aren't what they used to be 'back in the day'!


I have no problem shutting down "slave" operations, but I don't think they are as prevalent as they are made out.

Most of the girls are here to make some quick money ... yes, some of them are "financed" and are required to pay back loans (aren't we all when we borrow money,) but they aren't "slaves" ... or should I be reporting my bank as a slave owner?
 
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