Did you use to be a former SP and MPA escapefromstress? If so, I understand your anger and 'thinking inside the box' comes from, when it comes to other people's opinion on this topic.
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Did you use to be a former SP and MPA escapefromstress? If so, I understand your anger and 'thinking inside the box' comes from, when it comes to other people's opinion on this topic.
Everyone here knows the law. No one here has more sympathy for the perps than for the victims. I'm sure everyone appreciated your hypothesis about us being desensitized because we regularly objectify women too.
I appreciate you spreading access to resources relating to this issue, but the way you handle yourself is asinine. You interpreted what we were saying falsely, and even when we attempt to clarify you don't catch on. Issues like these need to be discussed by rational people who can see distinctions that aren't miles apart. For whatever reason, you're too close to this issue to understand other viewpoints.
Everyone here does not know the law. I bet if we took a poll at least 80% of terb members are not familiar with the laws we're discussing in this thread, and don't forget about the hundreds, or possibly thousands of lurkers who might eventually read it.
What other viewpoints would you like me to understand on this issue?
I'm not close to this issue at all. I don't have to be a victim or know a victim to speak up on this issue.
Shhhh ... don't tell Perry. He thinks I'm a "very angry, irrational man whose emotions and beliefs are blinding him from reason and, as you said, likes to paint everything the same color, with the same brush.
I suspect you may be or were a victim of child pornography in some way or another along the way and cannot, or don't want to, distinguish black from white."
Wrong, wrong, wrong.
I'm sorry but you don't understand where I'm coming from.
I had a fantastic career in the industry, and I'm probably one of the biggest defenders of clients, reviewers and review boards that you'll ever meet.
Can you explain why you think I'm, 'thinking inside the box'?
People have their opinions on treatments and people have a job (i.e lawyers defending pedos). This board is an open discussion; and opinions whether right or wrong does not make them any lesser against your cause.
I think much of what I've posted has been the law, not my opinion on the law.
My opinion is that the law should be obeyed, and people should be made aware when they're in danger of breaking it.
Would you rather I keep quiet and let pedophile sympathizers feel free to spread their propaganda here, potentially resulting in the removal of terb from the internet?
Your method of educating the public on this topic is somewhat condescending and angry. We are not retards...
I think you are a good man and please go all out with this propaganda. It's a worthwhile cause and I'll be proud to be by your side to fight it, but I think I would turn down the speaker volume a bit.
Thanks. I hear what you're saying.
You have a short memory or didn't read my reply to this post?
I worked as an escort in BC and advertised on perb for many years. My old ad is still up on page 2 in the perb Massage ad forum, if you're really curious.
I'm retired now, and have a legit massage and counseling business.
I choose to keep participating on the boards because I believe in the industry, and just because I'm retired doesn't mean I'm going to abandon all the causes I've been promoting over the last 7-8 years. I've had a nationwide impact on the industry through my involvement on the boards.
Thanks. I hear what you're saying.
You have a short memory or didn't read my reply to this post?
I worked as an escort in BC and advertised on perb for many years. My old ad is still up on page 2 in the perb Massage ad forum, if you're really curious.
I'm retired now, and have a legit massage and counseling business.
I choose to keep participating on the boards because I believe in the industry, and just because I'm retired doesn't mean I'm going to abandon all the causes I've been promoting over the last 7-8 years. I've had a nationwide impact on the industry through my involvement on the boards.
I did read some of your posts here on Terb and did read a bit about your background. Why I asked if you were a former SP. I always wanted to be a male escort, but my good looks got me into being a CK model instead. :whoo:
I'm still waiting for you to educate me on 'other viewpoints'.
I just re-read the article and realized that. "Facebook asked the whistleblowing journalist, Angus Crawford to send over the photographs he thought were problematic."
If Facebook didn't know the law, and the BBC didn't know the law, I think it's safe to assume that many terb members don't know the law.
I will continue to educate terb members as these issues come up, and I thank Jess for stating terb's firm stance on this horrific issue.
Perry - I have to thank you. You have been my inspiration to post about this topic on perb, merb and caerf. If it hadn't been for you, I wouldn't have realized how many of our members were uneducated about child sexual exploitation laws.
The entire Canadian online industry is now better informed.
Thank you sir.
PS - what did you think when you found out I'm a woman and a former SP?
Close, as in emotionally close. As in having extremely strong feelings about it. As in being unable to think critically or objectively about the subject.
At this point, I'm thinking she's simply a troll. No one can have this much tunnel vision without actively pursuing it. I also wonder why she thinks being a woman or a former SP has any bearing at all on this thread. Oh yeah, because she thinks we regularly objectify women and that is the reason for our "erronous" beliefs on child porn, which are pretty much in-line with her beliefs anyway, but you have to be entirely her way or the highway.
As a human being, isn't it normal to have extremely strong feelings about children being abused?
If you think I'm closed minded - then educate me. I've asked you twice to explain how you think I should view this topic. Now's your chance ...
As a review board member, isn't it normal to watch over the content of our public discussions to make sure we don't break the law?
Maybe I'm weird, but that's what I do, all across Canada. I report trolls and attacks on industry forums all over Canada too.
I work hard to help our forums be successful, by educating members on topics that are relevant to the industry.
What have you done for terb or the industry lately?
No, I'm not a troll. Ask Jess.
I never said my being a woman should have any bearing on the topic, I asked what Perry thought when he found out. He was convinced I was a man.
Yes, I will admit I am entirely against the online sexual abuse and exploitation of children. There is no grey area in this for me.
Thank you.
Our review board forums are a powerful tool for the industry. That's why I "watch over" them.
This is a post I made on perb a while ago:
Why don't more industry advocates post on review boards?
There still seems to be very few SWO's, escort industry advocates or groups who bother to post on review boards.
Where else can you find thousands of SP's, clients and others involved in the industry, all gathered in one place (or several places on various boards), where we can all communicate and share ideas?
Most of the advocates I've seen speaking up anywhere, seem to be focused on the rights of sex workers.
Well, it's already legal for sex workers to work, so where's the uproar on behalf of clients who are still in danger of prosecution?
I know I'm talking to the Vancouver industry where everything is sunshine and roses thanks to the VPD, but what about the other 90% of the country where it's not so wonderful?
I don't see advocacy groups speaking up there either.
I've said this before - perb, terb and merb combined have over 1,000,000 members, so why do all 3 boards act as separate entities unto themselves? Even when one board gets hacked, no one bothers to go to another board to find out what's happening.
Why ignore the boards when they're such an excellent resource and venue for communicating?
Are there male advocacy groups? Are they on any of the boards?
I encourage more individuals to see how you can get involved, rather than depending on one person or group to do it on your behalf.
You could be the one who makes a difference!
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SexSafetySecurity/Johns Voice has been successful in using the boards across Canada multiple times to promote their research projects and ask for participants.
Don't forget to take part in their survey: https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthread.php?589584-Survey-www-street-to-screen-ca&highlight=
SWO's and advocacy groups don't need to become our best buddies or spend 5 days a week posting here, to be able to use our forums as a place to promote their causes and fundraise.
It just doesn't make sense to me that they ignore what could be such an obvious asset to their causes.
I've been told to sit down and shut up by industry advocates, told I'd never be accepted into their groups and that I'd never be effective on my own.
They were wrong. I didn't need their approval or permission to have a massive impact on the boards, because I participate on them, even if it's just to drop in and update a thread every once in a while.
Another recent example of the power of the boards is the petition to have a Judge investigated. I posted on half a dozen industry forums (because it involves the issue of Consent) before it was promoted publicly in the media, and the petition got over 2,000 signatures within a day - and we helped.
Remember the petitions the SWO's were circulating when C-36 was before the Supreme Court? Guess who posted those petitions on 13 review board forums across the country to help spread the word? Correct. I did.
We have to post responsibly when discussing controversial topics on our public (and private) forums.
There are two topics that will draw the critical attention of Law Enforcement and Government Agencies:
1. Evidence of the Trafficking of sex workers in advertising, reviews or forum discussions.
2. Evidence of the online sexual abuse and exploitation of children and underage teens, and any content that promotes the abuse and exploitation.
If I see our members posting inappropriate content, I'm going to speak up about it, so you might as well get used to it.
And I imagine I have the full support of Terb/Perb/Merb Admins and Mods as I do so.
I already did, and you misconstrued my POV. It's fine that you don't understand it. But your vehemence is off-putting and there's no sense re-hashing the same arguments when the result isn't going to change.
So what bearing does him thinking you're a man have on the topic? I'm really just asking why you asked the question.
People interpret posts in a different way, depending on whether they think it was written by a man or a woman behind the handle.
I wonder if Perry's and everyone else's attitude towards me would have been different from the start - for better or worse - if you'd all known I was a woman instead of assuming I'm a man.
I was just curious.
I'm also disappointed in Perry's investigative skills, because the first thing I'd have done is search my posting history and Google me, to find out who the hell I was - and my identity was right there in plain site all along.
I'll reflect back to you the message that I've received from you so far, and you can correct me where I'm wrong.
From you, I've heard that:
Every pedophile deserves a fair trial.
Every pedophile is not the same.
Some pedophiles commit worse offenses than others.
Those that commit 'lesser offenses' should be given lighter sentences, or counseling instead of jail time.
The needs and rights of pedophiles should be considered during trial and sentencing, just as much as the needs and rights of the victims.
This is what I've understood your POV to be when reading your posts. If this was not the message you intended to convey, I apologize for misunderstanding.
Also, I was only angry for the first few hours I posted in this thread, but I was never out of control.
Out of control angry irrational people don't take time to think before they post, and they don't usually write in short, concise sentences like I do.
I thought the use of big, bold and red font was very effective, didn't you?
Okay, so now I'm impressed, because that's more or less what I was saying. Even the Criminal Code makes a distinction between those who fabricate/distribute child porn and those who possess/view it, which was the basis of my argument. If you understood that, then we're on the same page, even if you disagree. Again, that's fine. My mistake was trying to draw a parallel with the industry in an effort to make a point about the industry, so I apologize for that.
My only other point is that I believe pedophiles have something fucked up biologically and that's what gives them the drive to do what they do. Having said that, that doesn't clear them of responsibility for their actions in the slightest. Dangerous people need to be dealt with accordingly, especially when their victims are children.
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