scientists are worried about a surprisingly cold ‘blob’ in the North Atlantic Ocean

Frankfooter · Oct 6, 2015

Moviefan-2 said:
That's the clucking sound of a chicken. But you can't hide forever.

Shall we go with the only published and confirmed global temperature readings for the year to date?
That would be NOAA.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/globe/land_ocean/ytd/8/1880-2015

And NOAA says:

0.84ºC for 2015 to date

Which makes the IPCC's projections spectacularly accurate, as you like to say.

Moviefan-2 · Oct 6, 2015

The bet was on NASA's numbers and we can easily get all the published information we need to settle up.

All that is required is agreement from you.

basketcase · Oct 6, 2015

Moviefan-2 said:
Man, you're dumb.

If you read the post, you know that we were looking for an example that pre-dates the first hockey stick graph from 1998.

Are you seriously telling us that you don't know whether 1990 came before or after 1998?

Seriously???

The fact that you continue to suggest conclusions from 1990 somehow negate the past 25 years of evidence is laughable as is your sudden reliance on insults.

basketcase · Oct 6, 2015

Moviefan-2 said:
The bet was on NASA's numbers and we can easily get all the published information we need to settle up.

All that is required is agreement from you.

Their data YTD is here.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

0.82 0.88 0.91 0.75 0.79 0.78 0.75 0.81

YTD average 0.81

And the graph on this page by NASA seems to clearly refute your 'no warming this century' claim.
http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

Frankfooter · Oct 6, 2015

basketcase said:
Their data YTD is here.
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata_v3/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

0.82 0.88 0.91 0.75 0.79 0.78 0.75 0.81

YTD average 0.81

And the graph on this page by NASA seems to clearly refute your 'no warming this century' claim.
http://climate.nasa.gov/vital-signs/global-temperature/

So if you're not going to accept the only year to date published numbers, we'll have to wait until the end of the term for the bet.

And sorry to hear that you still haven't learned to read a chart yet.
I think its not too late to sign on here.
http://ce-online.ryerson.ca/ce/calendar/default.aspx?id=5&section=course&mode=course&ccode=CMTH 304

Moviefan-2 · Oct 6, 2015

basketcase said:
The fact that you continue to suggest conclusions from 1990 somehow negate the past 25 years of evidence is laughable as is your sudden reliance on insults.

No, I said the reports of warming from 1880 onward pre-date the hockey stick graph from 1998, and cited the IPCC's first report as an example.

I can't believe you evaded the question.

Give us a clear answer: Did 1990 come before or after 1998?

Even Frankfooter got it right (eventually). Tell us what you think the correct answer is.

Moviefan-2 · Oct 6, 2015

Frankfooter said:
And sorry to hear that you still haven't learned to read a chart yet.

LMFAO.

Here's a link to the latest HadCRUT4 graph, that you said had been updated to put 2015 over the 0.8 degrees mark: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/HadCRUT4.pdf

This updated graph is from Oct. 1, well after the HadCRUT4.4.0.0 "updates" you were talking about last month. Yet the 2015 bar is still below the 0.7 degrees line.

According to your figures, the temperature anomaly for the entire year dropped from more than 0.8 degrees (https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ng-Scientist&p=5339893&viewfull=1#post5339893) to less than 0.7 degrees in just one month. The temperature is either dropping so fast that we're headed towards another ice age, or you were wrong.

Frankfooter · Oct 6, 2015

Moviefan-2 said:
LMFAO.

Here's a link to the latest HadCRUT4 graph, that you said had been updated to put 2015 over the 0.8 degrees mark: http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/HadCRUT4.pdf

This updated graph is from Oct. 1, well after the HadCRUT4.4.0.0 "updates" you were talking about last month. Yet the 2015 bar is still below the 0.7 degrees line.

According to your figures, the temperature anomaly for the entire year dropped from more than 0.8 degrees (https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ng-Scientist&p=5339893&viewfull=1#post5339893) to less than 0.7 degrees in just one month. The temperature is either dropping so fast that we're headed towards another ice age, or you were wrong.

I think you've been into the draino again. I didn't say that chart has been updated with the latest 2015 data, that's all in your draino addled head.

The HadCRUT 4.4.0 data is here:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/...time_series/HadCRUT.4.4.0.0.annual_ns_avg.txt

Wait until the morning when your head clears and try those numbers again.

Moviefan-2 · Oct 6, 2015

Frankfooter said:
I think you've been into the draino again. I didn't say that chart has been updated with the latest 2015 data, that's all in your draino addled head.

The HadCRUT 4.4.0 data is here:
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/...time_series/HadCRUT.4.4.0.0.annual_ns_avg.txt

Wait until the morning when your head clears and try those numbers again.

According to you, the "updated" HadCRUT data has the temperature anomaly for 2015 over 0.8 degrees C:

Frankfooter said:
I agree, but you also have to use the current version of HadCRUT4 which is HadCRUT4.4.0
HadCRUT 4 says the year to date is 0.809ºC

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ng-Scientist&p=5339893&viewfull=1#post5339893

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Here is the latest graph, which includes the updated figures from Oct. 1:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/HadCRUT4.pdf

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/#datdow

Note that the bar for 2015 is below 0.7 degrees C.

Either the temperature is dropping at an alarming rate, or you were wrong.

Frankfooter · Oct 6, 2015

Moviefan-2 said:
According to you, the "updated" HadCRUT data has the temperature anomaly for 2015 over 0.8 degrees C:

https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...ng-Scientist&p=5339893&viewfull=1#post5339893

Here is the latest graph, which includes the updated figures from Oct. 1:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/HadCRUT4.pdf

Note that the bar for 2015 is below 0.7 degrees C.

Either the temperature is dropping at an alarming rate, or you were wrong.

No, check their website.
Most of their charts are from 2013 and occasionally 2014.
The charts aren't up to date, if you want the up to date data you have to go to the link I gave you.
http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/hadobs/...time_series/HadCRUT.4.4.0.0.annual_ns_avg.txt

Either the temperature is dropping at an alarming rate, or you were wrong.

Or, you are an idiot.

In the interest of clarity and simplicity, lets go with the only legit agency that publishes a year to date in clear terms:
That would be NOAA.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/globe/land_ocean/ytd/8/1880-2015

And NOAA says:

0.84ºC for 2015 to date

Which makes the IPCC's projections spectacularly accurate, as you like to say.

Moviefan-2 · Oct 6, 2015

Frankfooter said:
Most of their charts are from 2013 and occasionally 2014.

They created a bar for 2015 back in 2013?

Idiot.

Moviefan-2 · Oct 6, 2015

Frankfooter said:
In the interest of clarity and simplicity, lets go with the only legit agency that publishes a year to date in clear terms:
That would be NOAA.

LOL.

Because you're on track to lose yet another bet, NASA is suddenly no longer "legit"?

Too funny. It's too bad that your decision to throw NASA under the bus doesn't get you out of the bet.

Frankfooter · Oct 6, 2015

Moviefan-2 said:
LOL.

Because you're on track to lose yet another bet, NASA is suddenly no longer "legit"?

NASA is legit, but they don't publish a year to date average as NOAA does.
So if you want a year to date that's official, you have to use theirs.

https://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/cag/time-series/global/globe/land_ocean/ytd/8/1880-2015

And NOAA says:

0.84ºC for 2015 to date

Which makes the IPCC's projections spectacularly accurate, as you like to say.

Frankfooter · Oct 6, 2015

Moviefan-2 said:
Note that the bar for 2015 is below 0.7 degrees C.

Either the temperature is dropping at an alarming rate, or you were wrong.

Wrong again, what a surprise.

Planet Earth has never, in recorded history, had a hotter summer than 2015, NOAA, NASA, and Japan Meteorological Agency (JMA) data indicate.

Temperatures soared about 1.5 degrees warmer than the long-term average, passing 1998 and 2014, which were the previous hottest summers on record depending on the dataset. These records date back to the late 1800s.

The record summer (using the Northern Hemisphere definition) was comprised of the hottest June, July and August periods in NOAA’s and JMA’s analyses (in NASA’s analysis, June and July were hottest on record, while August was narrowly second hottest, behind 2014).

Six of the first eight months this year have ranked warmest on record according to NOAA (the only exceptions being January and April, which ranked third-warmest).

https://www.washingtonpost.com/blog...-was-earths-hottest-on-record-nasa-data-show/

basketcase · Oct 6, 2015

Moviefan-2 said:
LMFAO.

Here's a link to the latest HadCRUT4 graph, ...

I thought your bet with groggy was on the NASA data. You're changing the parameters now?

Moviefan-2 · Oct 6, 2015

basketcase said:
I thought your bet with groggy was on the NASA data. You're changing the parameters now?

Not at all. My point had nothing to do with the bet.

Since Franky raised the issue of who knows how to read a graph, I was showing him that his preposterous claim from last month that the updated HadCRUT4 temperature anomaly for the year is over 0.8 degrees C was clearly wrong.

By the way, you were willing to go along with his nonsensical claim about the HadCRUT anomaly. You're not much better than he is.

Moviefan-2 · Oct 6, 2015

Frankfooter said:
Which makes the IPCC's projections spectacularly accurate, as you like to say.

Talk is cheap.

I say the IPCC's predictions have been spectacularly wrong. If you want to settle the bet on NASA's numbers, we can determine who is right.

You just let me know.

Frankfooter · Oct 6, 2015

Moviefan-2 said:
Talk is cheap.

I say the IPCC's predictions have been spectacularly wrong. If you want to settle the bet on NASA's numbers, we can determine who is right.

You just let me know.

Once NASA publishes their numbers for 2015 we can settle the bet.
Are you trying to change the terms of the bet again?
You already tried once before.

In the meantime, how about another bet on your reading of data.
Are you willing to lay a bet on whether this claim of yours is correct?

Moviefan-2 said:
Here is the latest graph, which includes the updated figures from Oct. 1:

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/HadCRUT4.pdf

http://www.cru.uea.ac.uk/cru/data/temperature/#datdow

Note that the bar for 2015 is below 0.7 degrees C.

Either the temperature is dropping at an alarming rate, or you were wrong.

Are you willing to bet whether HadCRUT 4 is has the global anomaly dropping to 0.7ºC, as you are now claiming?

Moviefan-2 · Oct 7, 2015

Frankfooter said:
Once NASA publishes their numbers for 2015 we can settle the bet.

Cluck, cluck, cluck.

The numbers are available. You can run for now, but you can't hide forever.

Moviefan-2 · Oct 7, 2015

Frankfooter said:
Are you willing to bet whether HadCRUT 4 is has the global anomaly dropping to 0.7ºC, as you are now claiming?

It's not "dropping", fool.

The temperature anomaly was never above 0.7 degrees C. The global temperature anomaly is the number in the left-hand column in your table, doofus. It is currently 0.692 degrees C.

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