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Gawker Claims Video Exists of Rob Ford Smoking Crack

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Any work environment with a high employee turnover rate (6 now) within a week is a big, BIG red flag... :thumb:
If I'm remembering rightly, Ford's pre-video full staff was 15, which makes the departure rate 40%, although it's his office says one of those was in the works for some time.

According to the official story, the others all got better offers, except for one who was told to go find one.
 

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In my 40+ plus years of living on this planet, I have never encountered this much hatred for an elected official. Its a little scary to be frank.


Holy crappers on a stick!!! :Eek:
The fact that you missed the truly-hated LBJ, PET and RMN, says nothing about the relative 'sins' of any of them, or about Ford's; just that you're young and have seen little yet. But you might have noted Lyin'Brian, or the 'reasoned and unemotional' descriptions of candidate Smitherman that find their way into Ford discussions. You're also forgetting the universal love and respect our current PM enjoys, and the opprobrium the recently departed Ontario Preem—I'll bet there's a higher count for Pencil-Neck for McG than Fatso for Ford—regularly received here and elsewhere.

Dislike, even hatred, of politicians comes with the job and is as entirely unremarkable as is the sort of loyalty that continues far beyond anything reasonable. Heck, these days insult and hate are considered appropriate ad content for campaigns and governing parties.

The real question for us should be how our own contributions measure up on the emotion vs. reason scale.
 

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In my 40+ plus years of living on this planet, I have never encountered this much hatred for an elected official. Its a little scary to be frank.
Holy crappers on a stick!!! :Eek:
How can you have forgotten Brian Mulroney already? He became so hated in his second term he resigned shortly before the federal election in 1993 and the Conservative party was decimated, going from being a majority gov't to only holding onto 2 seats.
If I'm remembering rightly, Ford's pre-video full staff was 15, which makes the departure rate 40%, although it's his office says one of those was in the works for some time.

According to the official story, the others all got better offers, except for one who was told to go find one.
Yes, even collecting UI is a better offer than staying in that toxic environment.
This is my current fave:
Ford moved swiftly to counter talk that his office is in chaos by announcing Friday that he has hired three “movers and shakers” and expects to announce another three or four hires early next week.
One of the new staffers is special assistant Katrina Xavier-Ponniah. The junior position pays in the $40,000 range.
Xavier-Ponniah’s Linkedin profile says she studied at Mount Allison University in Sackville, N.B. Work experience includes summer stints of administrative work for a lawyer and data entry for the university.
No football experience! How is this 'mover and shaker' going to fit in there if she doesn't know a rouge from a field goal?!
http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/201...ys_he_has_hired_new_staff_for_his_office.html


And now Kevin Smith has commented on our mayor in his latest Smodcat, 255:

http://smodcast.com/people/kevin-smith/

Right near the end, starting around 1:13
 

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In other news, a judge has found Officer Glenn Weddell innocent. A loony liberal lefty fell and broke his shoulder and tried to blame it on the police.
Did you post this entirely irrelevant and unrelated observation just so you could once again reveal that reflexive prejudice controls your thought processes? Or is there some Pavlovian reward system triggered by your auto-typer spelling out "loony liberal left" so you can add the appropriate last letters?
 

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Prior to Ford being the mayor, the press couldn't bother to waste their time following politicians 24/7 or digging in to their lives for the past 30 years.

When Miller was in charge the worst the "Right Press" had was Sue Ann Levy of the Sun and all she focused on was his performance as Mayor. I do not recall the Sun sending reporters out to track Miller 24/7 or bother to dig in to his past and uncover bits of juicy gossip.

Mind you I highly doubt that Miller had very much too hide, from his personal life point of view, but I gather that the "Press" back then "just didn't go there".…edit…
You're either too young, or too forgetful then. Young Pierre Trudeaus's hobnobbing with Commies in China and Cuba was made much of by unsupportive media. It is what they do. As a sporadic reader, I couldn't say what the other papers might have done about prying into Miller's life, but I do remember the Star most definitely snooped his garbage and ran a story about it. And none of the media have been shy about reporting the other mayoral candidates past follies, flubs and failings.

Not that this, like most of the 'yeah, but so's your old man' stuff has anything good to say about Ford in the current brouhaha, or useful to offer to any public debate on the governance of the City.

But then Ford himself has been shy on that count as well.
 

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According to the official story, the others all got better offers, except for one who was told to go find one.
With the mayor’s office being front and center in the news, some of Ford’s staff is likely being recruited by news and other similar outlets. CFRB has one of the mayors past staffers working for them. She sometimes comes on the air to give firsthand insight into the internal workings of the mayor’s office.

None of the past employees have stepped in front of a microphone and talked about the problems, if any, within the mayor's office. If the mayor is high on drugs, ordering records destroyed, grabbing asses, etc, someone would come forward, especially now with this high spike in turnover . But nothing…
 

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With the mayor’s office being front and center in the news, some of Ford’s staff is likely being recruited by news and other similar outlets. CFRB has one of the mayors past staffers working for them. She sometimes comes on the air to give firsthand insight into the internal workings of the mayor’s office.

None of the past employees have stepped in front of a microphone and talked about the problems, if any, within the mayor's office. If the mayor is high on drugs, ordering records destroyed, grabbing asses, etc, someone would come forward, especially now with this high spike in turnover . But nothing…
It's been pretty universally said that people like Rob personally, and that he inspires loyalty. So it's amazing to me how often the loyal silence of someone in this controversy has been asserted as objective proof of some premise. 'Rob must be simon-pure because none of his old buddies has said he is not".

Not at all persuasive, especially when so many are insisting only conclusive proof should be considered.

Nothing against the woman CFRB hired, but we'll see how valuable she really is to them after Ford stops making tabloid-waves. Right now I'd suggest her value all derives from him, and if that constitutes 'a better opportunity' it will be a brief one.
 

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In my 40+ plus years of living on this planet, I have never encountered this much hatred for an elected official. Its a little scary to be frank.


Holy crappers on a stick!!! :Eek:
Most of the people I know don't really hate Ford that much, he's totally incompetent as a mayor and can't get anything done so mostly they just think he's a buffoon who is wasting city resources.
Harper, on the other hand, endears much more true hatred, for his much more devious attacks on democracy, freedoms and the middle class.
But both seem to have their loyal base hanging out at Timmies, who support the slogans but don't really know what's going on.

And as a reminder, because you seem to have forgotten that the issues with Ford have been continual since elected (first Mayor to be removed for conflict of interest, survived only on appeal for instance), just to refresh your memory have a gander at the Rob Ford spreadsheet.
I'd like you to tell me how many of the things reported there you support.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AhpNgYjOr8FzdGhZNVFocUhERUxzRGJBMFBtVDZHaUE&toomany=true#gid=0
 

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It's been pretty universally said that people like Rob personally, and that he inspires loyalty.
I agree (believe it or not).
I'm sure he's the kind of guy you can have a few beers and shoot the shit.

But, he's not Toronto big city mayor material -- small town mayor, yes, for sure.
 

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Then there won't be a debate. Everything about this "issue" is based on half-baked preconceits, wild assumptions and prejudging. Can we close this thread now?
I did put single quotes for irony around my use of the word 'debate'. It's sort of a salacious treat though, to go back and read Page One starting with Phil C. McNasty's OP about the Gawker item while thinking ahead to the passion-fired free-for-all of crap you know is coming in the next fifty pages.

We each have our own ideas of which ludicrously wrong and perverse opinion has been most prevalent here: My own favourite is, 'All you looney liberal lefties have judged Ford guilty of smoking crack with no evidence; I believe everyone is innocent until proven guilty,' which is so blatantly self-contradictory within that single sentence it makes me despair for humanity every time—and there have been many times—I have read its variants here.

And then there's the witch-hunt going after the messengers.
 
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Then there won't be a debate. Everything about this "issue" is based on half-baked preconceits, wild assumptions and prejudging. Can we close this thread now?

No, but you can continue to post irrelevant shit in any thread you like. :blah:
 

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I agree (believe it or not).
I'm sure he's the kind of guy you can have a few beers and shoot the shit.
Why would you think this?! He was tossed out of a hockey game at ACC for being Drunk and Obnoxious, and asked to leave a military ball for appearing to be intoxicated. He was nailed with a DUI in Florida.
He seems like the type of drinker who would have a few, stop listening to what you were saying and go off on a rant against the 'maggots' in the press, and probably repeat the same story over and over about how the Don Bsoco Eagles were robbed in the championship game.
 

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Absentee Mayor? Really, then what would you call Miller? Maybe Miller was a crack addict. I remember he did lose a fair amount of weight.

Football and all, Mayor Rob Ford’s attendance better than late-term David Miller’s



http://www.thestar.com/news/gta/2012/11/07/football_and_all_mayor_rob_fords_attendance_better_than_lateterm_david_millers.html
Now I have time to respond to this. That Star article came out in Nov 2012. After that, the Globe issued this in April this year:
Mayor Ford logging fewer hours at City Hall

The records, obtained by The Globe and Mail through a freedom of information request, show the number of hours the mayor’s vehicle was at City Hall dropped sharply from early 2012 to the summer, a trend that has continued into 2013. In January, 2012, the mayor’s vehicle typically arrived before 10 a.m., and he often left the parking lot around 7 p.m.; this January, on days when there were no council or executive meetings, his trademark SUV did not pull in until noon or 1 p.m. and it often drove out mid-afternoon.
Now, Ford has, er had a staff of around 15 people, and has no problem with hiring friends and making up job titles. (eg David Price). Let's recount three incidents:
1. Ford was caught on camera reading a newspaper while driving on the Gardiner
2. A woman saw someone driving while using cellphone. She said something to him, and he gave her the finger. That man was Ford.
3. Ford drove past the open doors of a streetcar and had a shouting match with the driver.

And yet even though he was urged to, Ford refuses to hire a driver. A "director of personnel and logistics", yes. He just hired 3 people and doesn't even have job titles for them. But he will not hire a driver!
Now the Gawker article from mid-May states
Gawker said:
n one move, the owner stops the video and draws the device back into his pocket.

"You took this?" I ask.

"Yes."

"When?"

"Within the last six months."
Which is coincidentally within the time frame when Ford was arriving late and leaving early.
The Globe and Mail said:
His departure times have changed dramatically. In January, 2012, he almost always left around 7 p.m. Since then, he has left the parking lot earlier and earlier. By September and October, 2012, his vehicle drove out by 3 p.m. and rarely returned. In January, 2013, the records indicate the mayor’s SUV was not at City Hall for more than five hours in a single day unless he had an executive or council meeting. Though he was at City Hall nearly every work day, on at least 11 of those days he was parked for five hours or fewer; on six of those days, it was for three hours or fewer. For at least seven days in February of this year, he was parked at city hall for five hours or fewer.
No football, no court cases then, no one can say for certain where he was going. There's nothing in his office calendar related to being the mayor of a city of 3 million people and an operating budget over $9 billion. "I'm off for the day, see ya tomorrow"
:confused:

Back to the article:
The Globe and Mail said:
When the parking logs are compared with Mr. Ford’s schedule – also obtained through a freedom of information request – they show the mayor is not one to linger behind his desk. On many days, he checked into the parking lot just minutes before he was scheduled for meetings or events. He often left the lot shortly after meetings were scheduled to be over. On days when council met or he chaired the executive committee, he often arrived with minutes to spare.
Maybe some people are naive. And maybe I'm reading too much into this based on personal experience. But coming in late and leaving early, showing up for mandatory meetings and buggering off immediately afterwards with no mention of where he's going, seems to me classic behaviour of someone with a substance abuse or addiction problem.
 

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Just tagging onto Matt's reply to GameBoy27, to underline a couple of points:

⓵ The headline he quoted, about Ford's attendance at Council being better than Miller's is a very odd one for a Miller-fan newspaper relentlessly running a campaign to get rid of his successor.

⓶ The numbers in the story peg Ford's attendance as almost precisely average; about half the Councillors do better at showing up for meetings, while the other half does worse. Imagine 'average' being anything for a Chief Executive to aspire to, be proud of, or just manage to achieve. Arguably though, much more important doin's may be afoot outside the Council Chamber.

⓷ But unless he's traveling by transit, as Miller sometimes did (no media or personal stories of Ford and that far-fetched possibility) then his parking records show he's ducking out of almost everything but the meetings where attendance is taken. He could be doing worthy things somewhere out in the City, but if so, no one is keeping any records to show the citizens he's supposed to be answerable to.

Just enough to skate by; nothing to be proud of or to praise.
 

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Most of the people I know don't really hate Ford that much, he's totally incompetent as a mayor and can't get anything done so mostly they just think he's a buffoon who is wasting city resources.
And as a reminder, because you seem to have forgotten that the issues with Ford have been continual since elected (first Mayor to be removed for conflict of interest, survived only on appeal for instance), just to refresh your memory have a gander at the Rob Ford spreadsheet.
I'd like you to tell me how many of the things reported there you support.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/lv?key=0AhpNgYjOr8FzdGhZNVFocUhERUxzRGJBMFBtVDZHaUE&toomany=true#gid=0
It's hard to get things done with about 20 councilors who automatically vote against anything he supports simply because he supports it, regardless of what is actually good for the city or not. Most recent example being Woodbine Casino.

Despite this, he's managed to fix more things wrong with Toronto in the last 2 years than Miller came close to doing in 2 terms. Garbage pickup west of Yonge being one of the best examples.

If the Star only picked on him for the way he did his job and stopped all the personal attacks they would have very little to report. Their only option is personal attacks. Constant personal attacks. Starting as soon as they saw the public was actually supporting Ford, and that he would win the election. Nobody deserves to be treated like that.

We ALL do shit that we don't want anybody to find out about. Shit that has NOTHING to do with our jobs. Shit that could ruin marriages and lives. This is TERB for christ's sake. Imagine every 'bad' thing you did was reported to the world. Every time you went to a strip club or MP. Every time you flipped someone the bird for cutting you off in traffic. Every time you called someone a name. Every time you tripped and fell. Every time you ever made a mistake doing anything. Ever.

And now this nonsense. The Star's biggest attempt to slag their biggest enemy. Reporters hanging out with drug dealers. Reporters too incompetent to actually acquire this alleged video, but so desperate to bash Ford they'll report that "we saw it, we swear". Rubbish. This isn't journalism.

No real news agency would report on viewing a video that they didn't acquire, only some media (not news) outlet like 'Gawker' would.

Sadly, the Star has shown they are no better than that.
 

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None of the past employees have stepped in front of a microphone and talked about the problems, if any, within the mayor's office. If the mayor is high on drugs, ordering records destroyed, grabbing asses, etc, someone would come forward, especially now with this high spike in turnover . But nothing…
... good luck getting a similar job to anyone who publicly says something controversial about a former employer.

They're smart, (and self serving) to keep their mouths shut
 

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I really don't think the city much cares...Left or Right.
Oh sure it's light entertainment...sells papers..and gets a few laughs, but 300 people at the rally today!

Pretty underwhelming.
Sure...we poke around in here and throw a few jabs...but the numbers of engaged people in this Mayor stuff is miniscule.

Simply media pushing buttons
 
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