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Next step: Trump takes notes out of his buddies pages and stations troops inside the polling booths 'to prevent fraud'.
 

Frankfooter

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Bunker Boy has been publicly shamed for turning the lights out at the White House and hiding in the basement.
Had to get the army so he could pretend he's not afraid.
 

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What I find even worse than his piss-poor acting in the Bible in front of the Church schtick.... is that this phony Christian act works! These honestly devout Christian Americans believe his act! I'd think they'd see right through the phony religious charade and be resentful that he is a phony Christian.
 

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What I find even worse than his piss-poor acting in the Bible in front of the Church schtick.... is that this phony Christian act works! These honestly devout Christian Americans believe his act! I'd think they'd see right through the phony religious charade and be resentful that he is a phony Christian.
The leader of that church -- not sure what her title is -- was just interviewed on TV and reamed Bunker Boy a new asshole for that pathetic stunt.
 

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It probably cost a few million bucks for labour and hardware to allow him to take those pics. Even Ivanka had the brains to stay out of the group pic.

BTW, he never went into the church or read from the bible.
 

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It probably cost a few million bucks for labour and hardware to allow him to take those pics. Even Ivanka had the brains to stay out of the group pic.

BTW, he never went into the church or read from the bible.
So he stays in the White House and everyone calls him a coward. He comes out and now it's shifted to a photo op.

If it has not dawned on everyone, it's not about the church or religion.

It's about him showing that he can do whatever he wants to and is not intimidated by vandals and looters.
 

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White folks want a president who can keep the mobs in line, not someone who will pander to them. I predict a landslide victory for Trump.
 

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So he stays in the White House and everyone calls him a coward. He comes out and now it's shifted to a photo op.

If it has not dawned on everyone, it's not about the church or religion.

It's about him showing that he can do whatever he wants to and is not intimidated by vandals and looters.
We all know its about him showing the power of white supremacy and not bowing or listening to protesters.
He talks only about justice for George Floyd while also threatening violence on anyone daring to protest systematic violence and refusing to acknowledge its presence.

The Bishop of the church:
Mariann Budde
@Mebudde

We are followers of Jesus. In no way do we support the President’s incendiary response to a wounded, grieving nation. We stand with those seeking justice for the death of George Floyd through the sacred act of peaceful protest.
 

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So he stays in the White House and everyone calls him a coward. He comes out and now it's shifted to a photo op.

If it has not dawned on everyone, it's not about the church or religion.

It's about him showing that he can do whatever he wants to and is not intimidated by vandals and looters.
Negative. He does not dare to come out before the militaryand the secret service has cleared the area of peaceful protesters.

If he had walked out and talked to the demonstrators, he would have secured his reelection.

He is a coward and a hypocrite. If the American evangelicals are impressed that he stands in front of a church holding a bible, they are dumber that a barn door.
 

Boober69

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Negative. He does not dare to come out before the militaryand the secret service has cleared the area of peaceful protesters.

If he had walked out and talked to the demonstrators, he would have secured his reelection.

He is a coward and a hypocrite. If the American evangelicals are impressed that he stands in front of a church holding a bible, they are dumber that a barn door.
As if any predisdent would come out to talk to protesters in the middle of a riot. I'm sure his security advisors would have told him not to do that.

All presidents have security clear the area no matter what. Are you expecting the president to go on a stroll in the middle of a riot by himself? Obviously it's the duty of the police, secret service and even the military to protect the president no matter who it is.

Calling him a coward is a weak argument.
 

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Next step: Trump takes notes out of his buddies pages and stations troops inside the polling booths 'to prevent fraud'.
He's been asking for volunteers or militia or law enforcement to do this for years. I think most people expect him to at least try it bring it up at some point.
 

Valcazar

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As if any predisdent would come out to talk to protesters in the middle of a riot. I'm sure his security advisors would have told him not to do that.
There was no riot though.
Even Nixon went out to meet with protesters the week of the Kent State shootings.
 

Valcazar

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White folks want a president who can keep the mobs in line, not someone who will pander to them. I predict a landslide victory for Trump.
That is certainly the thinking if the Trump crew. The point of the exercise wasn't the photo op at the church. The point was the photo op of gassing and cracking down on the protestors. Like Boober said, "It's about him showing that he can do whatever he wants to"
 

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So he stays in the White House and everyone calls him a coward. He comes out and now it's shifted to a photo op.

If it has not dawned on everyone, it's not about the church or religion.

It's about him showing that he can do whatever he wants to and is not intimidated by vandals and looters.

Boober, if I stage a big enough military operation and blast out enough demonstrators, so I can hurry across the street across from the WH and have a 20 minute bullshit photo op, it says nothing. I've taken police and soldiers from places where they're really needed - like protecting stores and offices - and made them my own private army for the time I need for my PR stunt. A guy can take a dump in the middle of the intersection at Yonge and Bloor if he hires 50 guys to push everyone else out of the way and stand around him.

I also understand that these were not looters or violents. This crowd was peaceful and some of them must have been injured when tear gassed.

If they were tough demonstrators or looters, Trump would not have left the WH.

I also believe that he is almost continually diapered these days and has lost control of his bowels through stress and fear. You can tell by the way he stands.
 

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I disagree, this is a genius move by Trump.

By standing in front of an Episcopal Church with a Bible in hand he's demonstrating to his blood and thunder Evangelical base that he is the Prophet Daniel reincarnate. They will jump into a fiery furnace if he tells them to, knowing that they will be protected before God. This insures that he will get re-elected at all cost, they will go out on election day and stop undesirables from voting.

His re-election is assured - now all he needs is a Bowling Green Massacre of non-whites. Maybe he can even torture Paul Simon until he agrees to allows him to use his Book of Daniel song for his campaign.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f7McpVPlidc
 

Dutch Oven

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What I find even worse than his piss-poor acting in the Bible in front of the Church schtick.... is that this phony Christian act works! These honestly devout Christian Americans believe his act! I'd think they'd see right through the phony religious charade and be resentful that he is a phony Christian.
I don't believe that devout Christians are any less (or more) intelligent than anyone else. They don't recognize Trump as a religious leader or religious example. They know about, as we all do, his many personal moral failings. What this is about is believing that he will respect their right to practice their faith. No more and no less. I have no trouble understanding how important that message is to such people (although I am not religious myself) given that many other politicians were willing to arrest people for attending a church service isolated in their cars, while not arresting people who are currently setting fires to churches.
 

Insidious Von

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Paul Simon was expressing his frustration with the music industry when he wrote The Sound of Silence. He used passages fro The Book of Daniel in the song. A powerful message for Trump to exploit.

Hello darkness, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left its seeds while I was sleeping
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence

In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone
'Neath the halo of a street lamp
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence

And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening
People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dared
Disturb the sound of silence

"Fools, " said I, "You do not know
Silence, like a cancer, grows
Hear my words that I might teach you
Take my arms that I might reach you"
But my words, like silent raindrops fell
And echoed in the wells, of silence

And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming
And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls"
And whispered in the sounds of silence
 

Dutch Oven

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Paul Simon was expressing his frustration with the music industry when he wrote The Sound of Silence. He used passages fro The Book of Daniel in the song. A powerful message for Trump to exploit.

Hello darkness, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again
Because a vision softly creeping
Left its seeds while I was sleeping
And the vision that was planted in my brain
Still remains
Within the sound of silence

In restless dreams I walked alone
Narrow streets of cobblestone
'Neath the halo of a street lamp
I turned my collar to the cold and damp
When my eyes were stabbed by the flash of a neon light
That split the night
And touched the sound of silence

And in the naked light I saw
Ten thousand people, maybe more
People talking without speaking
People hearing without listening
People writing songs that voices never share
And no one dared
Disturb the sound of silence

"Fools, " said I, "You do not know
Silence, like a cancer, grows
Hear my words that I might teach you
Take my arms that I might reach you"
But my words, like silent raindrops fell
And echoed in the wells, of silence

And the people bowed and prayed
To the neon god they made
And the sign flashed out its warning
In the words that it was forming
And the sign said, "The words of the prophets are written on the subway walls
And tenement halls"
And whispered in the sounds of silence
A great lyric, but not a call to mindless protesting, vandalism and looting, clearly. The most insightful lines to me are "people talking without speaking" and "people hearing without listening". These speak to the failure of people to effectively communicate.

These protests, as executed, are failing to communicate anything of substance or advance a constructive dialogue. Even more importantly, the protesters, both innocent and rogue, are failing to listen to facts that should inform their protest. Details like: a) Floyd resisted arrest (and those with in his in car didn't, and were treated entirely differently), b) the toxicology report shows Floyd had fentonyl in his system and traces of amphetamine (he was high), c) he was a long time cocaine abuser (long term cocaine use is linked to heart failure and heart disease) d) he refused to be put in the back of the squad car (claiming he was claustrophobic) and that led to him being restrained outside of the car, e) the official autopsy prepared by the Country Medical Examiner found that he died of heart failure arising from the struggle of the arrest, not asphyxiation or strangling (yes, an expert hired by the family disagrees), and f) an ambulance was called once Floyd showed signs of cardiac arrest, but was delayed.

None of these facts mean that the cops involved are blameless and should not receive punishment. They do speak, however, to whether protests should be organized with the message that the entire system of policing is corrupt and evil, and that the actions of those arrested have nothing to do with what can go wrong in interactions with the police.
 
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