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Warren warns of ‘coming economic crash’

By ALEX THOMPSON

07/22/2019 08:00 AM EDT

Updated 07/22/2019 01:39 PM EDT

Sen. Elizabeth Warren on Monday predicted an imminent economic crisis unless the Trump administration and Congress quickly pass legislation to regulate the financial sector and significantly reduce middle class household debt.

“Warning lights are flashing. Whether it’s this year or next year, the odds of another economic downturn are high — and growing,” Warren (D-Mass.) wrote in a Medium post entitled "The Coming Economic Crash--And How to Stop It."

“I see a manufacturing sector in recession. I see a precarious economy that is built on debt — both household debt and corporate debt — and that is vulnerable to shocks. And I see a number of serious shocks on the horizon that could cause our economy’s shaky foundation to crumble,” she wrote.

Most of Warren’s proposals to head off the crisis are policies she has called for recently on the campaign trail such as forgiving over $600 billion in student loan debt, enacting her “Green Manufacturing Plan”, strengthening unions, providing universal child care and raising the minimum wage to $15 an hour.

It is almost certain that President Donald Trump will not sign and the Republican-led Senate will not pass these policies, meaning that Warren’s prediction of a crash will likely be tested over the next two years.

The Democratic presidential candidate’s forecast of economic tumult flies in the face of much political conventional wisdom stating that Trump’s biggest re-election advantage is the economy. Unemployment levels recently hit a 50-year low, the majority of Americans think the economy is “good” or “excellent” and that it‘s a good time to find a job according to Gallup. The stock market continues to break records every few months.

The Trump administration and Republican allies in Congress often point to the economy’s performance as evidence of the president’s good stewardship even in the midst of self-created controversies and divisive policies. Trump himself often brags about the economy as well. Just last week on Twitter, he said the economy was “the best in our Country’s history” with the “Best Employment & Stock Market Numbers EVER” and that he has led the United States to the “Greatest Economic BOOM in the history of our Country.”

But Warren has long been arguing that the economy is not as strong as the toplines suggest. “The overall numbers about GDP or the stock market are great but they don’t reflect the lived experiences of most Americans,” she told reporters in May after a town hall in Nashua, N.H. “Go around a room like this. For most people, wages haven’t gone up in a generation and yet the cost of housing, the cost of health care, the cost of childcare, the cost of sending a kid to college have all gone through the roof. The middle class squeeze is real and it has gotten tougher for people over the last few years.”

There is some data backing this up as well. Gallup recently found that even as Americans‘ approval of the overall economy have risen, anxieties about their own personal finances have remained largely the same over the last few years.

Warren’s prediction of an economic downturn, however, goes beyond addressing middle-class economic anxiety.

She writes that she warned of the 2008 financial years beforehand and sees similarly ominous signs now. “And when I saw the seeds of the 2008 crisis growing, I rang the alarm as loud as I could,” she writes, citing interviews and her 2003 book Two Income Trap, which warned about a mortgage “lending industry run amok.”

“But the people with the power to stop the crisis didn’t listen — not enough of them anyway. Not the banks, not Alan Greenspan or other federal regulators, not Congress,” she wrote in her Medium post.

Instead of housing and mortgages, Warren pointed to leveraged corporate loans — lending to companies with high levels of debt — as a potential area of systemic risk. “These high-risk loans now make up a quarter of all American business loans, and they look a lot like the pre-2008 subprime mortgages: poorly underwritten loans with minimal protections that are then packaged and sold to investors,” she wrote.

These loans have increased during the Trump administration as federal regulators have relaxed 2013 guidance that tightened lending standards. Warren grilled Fed Governor Randal Quarles on the issue last November and sent a follow-up letter on the topic to Treasury Secretary Steve Mnuchin, Fed Chair Jerome Powell, and other regulators.

Warren’s concern is shared by others. Former chair of the Federal Reserve Janet Yellen has been warning about these loans for the last several months. She told theFinancial Times last fall that “[t]here has been a huge deterioration in standards; covenants have been loosened in leveraged lending...I am worried about the systemic risks associated with these loans.”

Warren’s office said Mnuchin didn‘t respond to her letter but Powell and several others regulators did write back earlier this year. Powell, FDIC head Jelena McWilliams, and Comptroller of the Currency Joseph Otting wrote to Warren that “the leveraged loan market continues to warrant attention.” They acknowledged looser standards in some transactions and that they “are continuing to closely monitor how this combination of risks is evolving."

Warren also argued that high levels of household and corporate debt could also make any economic turmoil spread quickly and could be mitigated by enacting her agenda on items like raising the minimum wage and canceling student loans — bringing down the level of household debt. “The country’s economic foundation is fragile. A single shock could bring it all down,” she writes. “And the Trump Administration’s reckless behavior is increasing the odds of just such a shock.”

The potential shocks Warren points to are a reckless interaction with China, a no-deal Brexit, or breaking the debt ceiling. In a new move, Warren called for eliminating the debt ceiling altogether or having it go up automatically as Congress appropriates money to limit future risk.

“I’m seeing serious warning signs in the economy again — and I’m calling on regulators and Congress to act before another crisis costs America’s families their homes, jobs, and savings,” she wrote.

https://www.politico.com/story/2019/07/22/elizabeth-warren-economic-crash-1424588
 

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The Dems are having a hard time running against a roaring economy.
 

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The Dems are having a hard time running against a roaring economy.
$1 trillion dollar deficit during a roaring economy is an easy platform.
As is Trump's tax breaks to the super rich, attacks on health care, lying, racism......

You get the idea.
 

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She shouldn't have done that DNA test though. It just gets used over and over again by you know who.

Plus CNN seems to think Warren's ideas could actually cause a crisis. Check out this clip of CNN business reporter Cristina Alesci.

https://freebeacon.com/issues/cnn-reporter-warrens-proposals-could-create-another-crisis/

Beav what is your opinion on the clip?
Did Warren's ideas actually cause the crisis in 2008?
How is her DNA test pertinent to the discussion?
 

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She shouldn't have done that DNA test though. It just gets used over and over again by you know who.

Plus CNN seems to think Warren's ideas could actually cause a crisis. Check out this clip of CNN business reporter Cristina Alesci.

https://freebeacon.com/issues/cnn-reporter-warrens-proposals-could-create-another-crisis/

Beav what is your opinion on the clip?
Hey Oracle , every single reporter, anchor or guest on the show have their own personal opinions that they are welcome to make public. But if you listen to Warren's interview that I posted, what do you dispute then that did not eventually occur? Can a prediction by a person like Warren automatically change the outcome of an economy in your view, or is it based on the substance, research studies and the facts to do so. Well, if you think it is the former then maybe Warren has a magic wand.

As far as the DNA test is concerned maybe she should not have used it in any way, though she does have some very ancient ancestral ties to the Indigenous community in that respect. She was not factually not wrong there, but we know that Trump tried to capitalize on it, and may use it in the future to make fodder to feed his cattle if she is nominated.
 

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Huh?......Watch the clip.

The other is obvious.
Yea, I watched the clip. Forget the clip.

She's warning about an imminent economic crash. You're suggesting her ideas could cause a crisis.
She was warning about the crash in 2008 a few years previous to it.
Do you think her ideas pre 2008 caused the crash in 2008?

How her DNA test is pertinent to this discussion is not obvious to me.
How is it pertinent?
 

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Hey Oracle , every single reporter, anchor or guest on the show have their own personal opinions that they are welcome to make public. But if you listen to Warren's interview that I posted, what do you dispute then that did not eventually occur? Can a prediction by a person like Warren automatically change the outcome of an economy in your view, or is it based on the substance, research studies and the facts to do so. Well, if you think it is the former then maybe Warren has a magic wand.

As far as the DNA test is concerned maybe she should not have used it in any way, though she does have some very ancient ancestral ties to the Indigenous community in that respect. She was not factually not wrong there, but we know that Trump tried to capitalize on it, and may use it in the future to make fodder to feed his cattle if she is nominated.
The DNA test has been seen as an attempt by her to play identity politics which failed. And I know both sides play this card all the time.

I would have liked to see her do the FOX town hall. Her reasons for not doing it did't sit well with me at all. Basically she said that FOX NEWs was a hate show and she didn't want to contribute to making them any money through increased ad revues that would be gained with her appearing on the show. I'd rather she show the chutzpah and go into the tough areas. I thought Mayor Pete came off like a rockstar. Sanders more than held his own as well. I know some like the Knuckler on here thinks it would be a waste of time because she wouldn't be able to sway any of their views anyways.

She's a viable candidate that's for sure. It will interesting how far she goes.
 

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Yea, I watched the clip. Forget the clip.

She's warning about an imminent economic crash. You're suggesting her ideas could cause a crisis.
She was warning about the crash in 2008 a few years previous to it.
Do you think her ideas pre 2008 caused the crash in 2008?

How her DNA test is pertinent to this discussion is not obvious to me.
How is it pertinent?
Well MJ I'm not suggesting anything. I simply posted a clip which opposes the article posted by the Beav. Coming from CNN it's interesting how they are being tough on her. Then I'm reminded they seem to have a Biden bias. Maybe someone on here can explain why that is.

There's valid arguments on both points of view.

As for the DNA to support her aboriginal claims. Well the Beav stated that she was a very intelligent lady. Now I'm thinking that wasn't really what I would call a very intelligent move. Just sayin. Because Trump will just use the fakeahontas line every chance he gets from here on out.
 

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Did Warren's ideas actually cause the crisis in 2008?
How is her DNA test pertinent to the discussion?
No, that was Clinton signing the repeal Glass Steagall.

While China is slowing and Europe is dormant there are very few signs of a “crash”
 

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Well MJ I'm not suggesting anything. I simply posted a clip which opposes the article posted by the Beav. Coming from CNN it's interesting how they are being tough on her. Then I'm reminded they seem to have a Biden bias. Maybe someone on here can explain why that is.

There's valid arguments on both points of view.

As for the DNA to support her aboriginal claims. Well the Beav stated that she was a very intelligent lady. Now I'm thinking that wasn't really what I would call a very intelligent move. Just sayin. Because Trump will just use the fakeahontas line every chance he gets from here on out.
CNN makes money from wars and the health industry. One is a ratings boost and the other is a good share of their advertising dollars.

They also have a deal for access during wars with the military, since Iraq 1.
 

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Yea, I watched the clip. Forget the clip.

She's warning about an imminent economic crash. You're suggesting her ideas could cause a crisis.
She was warning about the crash in 2008 a few years previous to it.
Do you think her ideas pre 2008 caused the crash in 2008?

How her DNA test is pertinent to this discussion is not obvious to me.
How is it pertinent?
She's probably the smartest of the candidates on both side on economics.
Worth listening to.
 

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She's probably the smartest of the candidates on both side on economics.
Worth listening to.
I think I will take a successful businessman who's surrounded himself with brilliant economic minds in Ross, Mnuchin and Kudlow over a law professor turned Senator any day.
 

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The DNA test has been seen as an attempt by her to play identity politics which failed. And I know both sides play this card all the time.

I would have liked to see her do the FOX town hall. Her reasons for not doing it did't sit well with me at all. Basically she said that FOX NEWs was a hate show and she didn't want to contribute to making them any money through increased ad revues that would be gained with her appearing on the show. I'd rather she show the chutzpah and go into the tough areas. I thought Mayor Pete came off like a rockstar. Sanders more than held his own as well. I know some like the Knuckler on here thinks it would be a waste of time because she wouldn't be able to sway any of their views anyways.

She's a viable candidate that's for sure. It will interesting how far she goes.
Not sure why you bring the DNA test. Trump and his Family in the past stated that the are of Swedish descent. Obviously, that was a lie. That is why it is hypocritical to slam Warren for her DNA. Again, I am saying that she should not have brought up.

They are doing the next town hall at CNN. I like CNN's handling and the manner in which they have drawn the names out of a hat. What she has said about Fox News pales in comparison with Trump's constant attacks on CNN as "Fake News" and "Enemy of the People". But like her or hate her, she was absolutely spot on with her predictions at that time, and the manner in assessing the oncoming recession in 2008. Have to give her credit for that. Also, she is the one that has really spelled out what she would do with regards to her policies if she were to win the elections.
 

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Well MJ I'm not suggesting anything. I simply posted a clip which opposes the article posted by the Beav. Coming from CNN it's interesting how they are being tough on her. Then I'm reminded they seem to have a Biden bias. Maybe someone on here can explain why that is.

There's valid arguments on both points of view.

As for the DNA to support her aboriginal claims. Well the Beav stated that she was a very intelligent lady. Now I'm thinking that wasn't really what I would call a very intelligent move. Just sayin. Because Trump will just use the fakeahontas line every chance he gets from here on out.
Again that article of yours did not refute Warren's account of her prediction of the Recession in 2008. It was dead accurate. All that the CNN reporter was stating is that she should not have predicted this oncoming recession even if it was accurate as that may affect the economy. So I do not know what you are on about!!

https://slate.com/business/2019/07/...on-economic-predicts-crisis-right-before.html
 
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