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Don't ever question mass immigration or you'll be instantly racist

Conil

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Trudeau doesn't give a shit of they're immigrants, migrants and refugees he wants them all in.


The PM is perceived by many as lacking the ability (or desire) to distinguish between immigrants, migrants and refugees

Immigration is likely to be the hot-button issue in the next federal election.

The National Post has run a series of editorials noting that our legal immigration channels work well, but the issue of border migration is eroding public confidence in immigration.
One can understand why. Because of his Kumbaya, “post-nationalist” susceptibility to the blandishments of one-worldist ideals, Prime Minister Justin Trudeau is perceived by many Canadians as lacking the ability (or even the desire) to maintain bright lines among the very separate categories of immigrants, refugees and migrants. Refugees and migrants are big topics, to be sure, but immigration is, policy-wise, the big enchilada.

This past weekend, The Globe and Mail’s senior political columnist, John Ibbitson, published a buoyant endorsement of the government’s current immigration policy (continuing high rates) headlined, “Immigration’s benefits are a matter of fact.” On the basis of certain statistics, he affirms, our policies “are working amazingly well.” In 2018, for example, 64 per cent of people aged 15 and older who arrived in Canada within the past five years were employed. Among those born in Canada, the figure was 63 per cent. So a virtual tie today, not the case in 2014, when only 58 per cent of new arrivals were employed.

Ibbitson gives partial credit for the improved figures to the Express Entry initiative introduced by the previous Harper government, which fast-tracks immigrants with a job offer, advanced degrees, field experience or fluency in French or English. He concedes that a tight job market in recent years has also helped everyone get jobs. But when all factors are taken together, he says, “the trend is toward employment convergence between skilled immigrants and the native-born.”

I asked Herbert Grubel, professor of economics (emeritus) at Simon Fraser University, and senior fellow of The Fraser Institute specializing in immigration, for his opinion about Ibbitson’s conclusion. Grubel expressed skepticism with regard to the column’s narrow metric of labour-force participation. Grubel wrote to me that the improvements cited by Ibbitson “are so small that they are likely to have virtually no impact on the fundamentally important effect of immigrants on Canada.”

Grubel notes that the average income taxes paid by immigrants since 1986 have been about one-half of those paid by non-immigrant Canadians. Yet immigrants absorb the same value of government services (not more, as some people would have you believe), so the difference between what immigrants pay in and take out amounts to not less than $5,000 a year per person, he calculates. Do the collective math and Grubel estimates that it comes to an annual $30 billion payout.

Neither Grubel nor I nor any reasonable Canadian believes immigration is a bad thing in itself. We’re all for it. And reasonable people understand that first-generation immigrants can be a financial drag on the system as the price of investment in the second and third generations who fulfill their promise and become value added to Canada in all ways. That has always been the traditional premise on which immigration policies were based, and on which their public acceptance rested.

But what happens if the number of immigrants should exceed the capacity of the country’s ability to absorb them? It isn’t orderly immigration that sets many Canadians’ teeth on edge; it is mass immigration promoted as a good in and of itself without regard to our actual present and future needs or interests. Hundreds of thousands of immigrants now arrive here each year. In Vancouver alone they require 300 housing units every week. This can only drive up housing costs and add to the crowding in our hospitals. It can also reshape the cultural ecology of old neighbourhoods, which residents seem generally fine with when it happens more naturally over time, but find very jarring when it happens with unsettling rapidity.

I recognize that even raising any “cultural” factor like that is a red flag to those progressives who insist that culture is a construct of privilege and trying to protect the culture we have is an act of bigotry. But discussing it shouldn’t be off-limits. People all over the world desire to live in Canada because of its stability, prosperity, gender equality, excellent quality of life and respect for the law. All of these national qualities are downstream from culture. It is perfectly legitimate to worry that high rates of immigration to Canada could undermine the very tenets of equality, freedom and justice, those products of our own culture, that attract so many in the first place. Of course, even the words “our own culture” are in themselves divisive: to many progressives they are a shibboleth for oppression; to me and my more conservative friends they are, relative to all other cultures, words that evoke pride, yet we feel anxiety saying them.

https://nationalpost.com/opinion/ba...mass-immigration-or-youll-be-instantly-racist
 

azeri99

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You just fed into what the article is talking about, just because someone talks about mass immigration doesn't make the racist, although you think it is, just because people want to have conversations and have concerns about mass immigration isn't racist. There are legitimate social and economic concerns that should be discussed.
 

Frankfooter

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You just fed into what the article is talking about, just because someone talks about mass immigration doesn't make the racist, although you think it is, just because people want to have conversations and have concerns about mass immigration isn't racist. There are legitimate social and economic concerns that should be discussed.
I was confirming the validity of Conil's post.
Did you want to take the counter argument and tell us why that commentary is bullshit?
 

azeri99

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I was confirming the validity of Conil's post.
Did you want to take the counter argument and tell us why that commentary is bullshit?
I don't think it is bullshit, which part do you object to as being racist? They both state that immigration is not a bad thing in itself, that it's needed, they say immigrants pay about half of the taxes that non-immigrants pay and absorb the same value of government services, NOT MORE as some believe. he says that 1st generation immigrants can be a drag on the financial system but the 2nd and 3rd generations can fulfill their promise and value to Canada in all ways. There are merely asking what happens if immigrants exceed the capacity of the country to properly absorb them, kind of like the problem we have now with refugees with the backlog to process cases and having them live in hotels. Where is the racism here?
 

jcpro

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I don't think it is bullshit, which part do you object to as being racist? They both state that immigration is not a bad thing in itself, that it's needed, they say immigrants pay about half of the taxes that non-immigrants pay and absorb the same value of government services, NOT MORE as some believe. hey say that 1st generation immigrants can be a drag on the financial system but the 2nd and 3rd generations can fulfill their promise and value to Canada in all ways. There are merely asking what happens if immigrants exceed the capacity of the country to properly absorb them, kind of like the problem we have now with refugees with the backlog to process cases and having them live in hotels. Where is the racism here?
The same people screaming racist are the same geniuses who point to the inscription on the Statue of Liberty as a valid immigration policy. Of course they forget that the Ellis Island era had no welfare, healthcare system or government renting hotel rooms for the new arrivals. You swam or you sank, you worked or you starved. That's why cities with large immigrant populations were basically divided into ghettos where various nationals could organize themselves and offer support. We are obviously living in a different time and a "sink or swim" approach cannot be entertained by anyone. And since that is the case, we can only accept what we can afford. Bring too many, spend too much and the taxpaying voters will revolt. It's not racism, it's simple economics.
 

azeri99

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The same people screaming racist are the same geniuses who point to the inscription on the Statue of Liberty as a valid immigration policy. Of course they forget that the Ellis Island era had no welfare, healthcare system or government renting hotel rooms for the new arrivals. You swam or you sank, you worked or you starved. That's why cities with large immigrant populations were basically divided into ghettos where various nationals could organize themselves and offer support. We are obviously living in a different time and a "sink or swim" approach cannot be entertained by anyone. And since that is the case, we can only accept what we can afford. Bring too many, spend too much and the taxpaying voters will revolt. It's not racism, it's simple economics.
Things have changed because now we live in the snowflake generation, working hard and making your own way in life without help is too hard. Everybody gets trophies and stickers.
 

jcpro

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Things have changed because now we live in the snowflake generation, working hard and making your own way in life without help is too hard. Everybody gets trophies and stickers.
We're also very sensitive to poverty, inequality (whatever that means,) , etc. We can import all of the European Gypsies( pardon me, Romani), yet are we prepared to see them begging at every subway stop? We can bring in all the refugees we can lay our hands on, but are we prepared to finance the first generation that will put enormous pressure on our already overstressed social network? Those are valid choices and just two, but we'll get nowhere if every time the subject comes up we retreat into childish name calling. And it is counterproductive because it turns sensible, hard working citizens into monsters and they react accordingly with their most precious possession- a vote.
 

bver_hunter

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So Ibbitson and Grubel are having a difference of opinion on immigrants and how they contribute to the economy. Then OP goes on to blame Trudeau and throws "racism" into the mix.
This is a case of TDS for sure........Trudeau Derangement Syndrome.

Once upon a time all our forefathers were immigrants to Canada, but according to Grubel only "after 1986" the bad immigrants started coming to Canada, and prior to that were the "good immigrants". So we are descended from the good immigrants. On what are the basis of his so called study is perplexing. Dumb and Dumber article!!
 
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