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Darts said:
If the Democrats get rid of Trump and they might, they will be doing the GOP a big favor. This will free the GOP to run a Pence/Haley ticket in 2020 and regain and more the votes that Trump lost in the mid-terms.

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Are you crazy? People wanted Trump ( except the lefite and the elitists who hate him) !! Trump will win two term and he will be the POTUS in 2020 and no one will beat him in 2020! Just look at all the challenger on the democratic side!
Drain the swamp and bulid the wall!

He will be the greatest POTUS ever!!
 
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Are you crazy? People wanted Trump ( except the lefite and the elitists who hate him) !! Trump will win two term and he will be the POTUS in 2020 and no one will beat him in 2020! Just look at all the challenger on the democratic side!
Drain the swamp and bulid the wall!

He will be the greatest POTUS ever!!
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please put down the crack pipe
 
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Pence is the dumbest Veep since Dan Quayle. Whether that leaves him smarter than Trump is an interesting question...

Of course, the line of succession leaves the Speaker of the House next after the VP, so if you want to see a Trump fan shit his pants - just remind them who will likely be TWO heartbeats away on Jan 3rd.
 
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Sadly for the Dems I’m afraid they will need to win an election to take control of the White House. I think their best bet is Bloomberg.
 
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Sadly for the Dems I’m afraid they will need to win an election to take control of the White House. I think their best bet is Bloomberg.
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Bloomberg has way too many skeletons in his closet from his days with the Bros, and the early days of Bloomberg LP when he ran it like a trading desk. I’m talking @metoo stuff. He’s smart as hell, but he was a serial harasser and was sued and settled long before it was a trend (back in the ‘90’s). I know this because I once had a colleague who was a part of one suit. She described him simply as “a pig” and never said anything else. These problems were never more than a whisper when he was Mayor but would definitely be a problem at a National level in today’s environment. The GOP likely already has a thick dossier. I’ve actually met him at at an early Bloomberg conference. He’s not much different than Trump in his history of approach to women. Of course, he is WAY smarter, way more successful (without Daddy’s help), and truly mega-wealthy (vs Trump’s living on credit). He’d be better than Trump but I think he won’t run because of the land mines from his past.

As an aside - I was an early Bloomberg Customer and first got one of their early generation terminals back in 1987 (twin Electrohome Monitors, chicklet coloured keyboard and every terminal on the desk had to be individually hardwired back to the control room using Bloomberg cable that was horrendously expensive per ft). Two people on my desk shared each Bloomberg because they were about 4x the monthly cost (over $2400 US/month each back then, if memory serves). Bloomberg NEVER gave volume discounts either. Trivia: on Black Monday none of the terminals (Bloomberg, Telerate, Reuter’s) could properly display a three digit decline in the Dow. So if you weren’t paying attention you wouldn’t realize the big figure.
 
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essguy_ said:
Pence is the dumbest Veep since Dan Quayle. Whether that leaves him smarter than Trump is an interesting question...

Of course, the line of succession leaves the Speaker of the House next after the VP, so if you want to see a Trump fan shit his pants - just remind them who will likely be TWO heartbeats away on Jan 3rd.
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How is Pence dumb? Quayle I give you right up there with Biden.
 
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K Douglas said:
How is Pence dumb? Quayle I give you right up there with Biden.
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He's pretty dumb, Kirk. Name one smart thing Pence has done - aside from sucking Trump's dickie every time he's called upon.
 
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Pence will lose the Trumptard base. The base off course are looking for another controversial figurehead that will embrace some of the far right doctrines.
 
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President Trump appeals to a group of cross over populist voters that Vice-President Pence just doesn't.

Vice-President Pence is a good bit further to the right in his beliefs than the President.

Ambassador Haley would be the better Presidential Candidate.
 
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Aardvark154 said:
President Trump appeals to a group of cross over populist voters that Vice-President Pence just doesn't.

Vice-President Pence is a good bit further to the right in his beliefs than the President.

Ambassador Haley would be the better Presidential Candidate.
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East Indian women with a functioning brain are always popular in Red State Land.
 
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Reality check.

Trump has the personality, charm and temperament of a crocodile. Many people, even in his own party, don't like him. The mid-terms show he lost the popular vote by a larger margin than in 2016. His base is actually shrinking.

The Democrats will actually be doing the GOP a favor by getting rid of Trump. That way the GOP can run someone else more personable as a candidate.

Having said all that, Trump was needed in 2016 to curb the abuses and excesses of the left. A few more rational judges in the lower courts and it is "mission accomplished".

Question: Who will be on the Democratic ticket in 2020? Someone already said that Bloomberg has a "history". Plus, is the U.S. ready for a Jewish president? Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, John Kerry, Al Gore and Elizabeth Warren will all be in their 70's.
 
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I agree wit you regarding Trump's personality. However, Trump has a strong 30 - 35% base that will passionately follow him even if that means jumping from a precipice. A substantial number will probably support Pence. But there will be quite a chunk that will walk away to the Democrats who manage to elect a more Progressive Candidate. Pence is very Conservative and his strongly Fundamental Christian beliefs may not resonate with the Trump Base.

Obama introduced a very popular bill in the form of Affordable Healthcare. Why are Republicans who passionately opposed it's introduction at every step of the way now saying that they will offer it to all Americans even those with existing conditions. Too late now as that is precisely what the Democrats campaigned on during the mid terms, and won the popular vote handily. It appealed to the Progressives that also want more regulations against the gun laws. I do not see how these are "abuses" from the "left".
 
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Darts said:
Reality check.

Trump has the personality, charm and temperament of a crocodile. Many people, even in his own party, don't like him. The mid-terms show he lost the popular vote by a larger margin than in 2016. His base is actually shrinking.

The Democrats will actually be doing the GOP a favor by getting rid of Trump. That way the GOP can run someone else more personable as a candidate.

Having said all that, Trump was needed in 2016 to curb the abuses and excesses of the left. A few more rational judges in the lower courts and it is "mission accomplished".

Question: Who will be on the Democratic ticket in 2020? Someone already said that Bloomberg has a "history". Plus, is the U.S. ready for a Jewish president? Bernie Sanders, Joe Biden, John Kerry, Al Gore and Elizabeth Warren will all be in their 70's.
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What Beaver said. Trump managed to take the Rust Belt by promising them jobs and economic nationalism. Pence won't win those urban votes, as his own base is rural Midwest ultra-Christians.

Basically Pence is Ted Cruz without the Texas base and the Harvard law degree. He has Cruz's failings and lacks his very few advantages in a national campaign. If Pence runs - assuming he wins the nomination - he loses every state that is urban and northern.

The other issue is that the GOP will grow Trump clones, like a toad grows warts, once Donald goes away. Half the wannabes in the GOP are going to pick up DJT's rhetoric and start to use his slogans to try and scoop up the same Trump Base support. That should kill the Born Again based candidates and any chance they have of getting the nom.
 
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bver_hunter said:
Obama introduced a very popular bill in the form of Affordable Healthcare.
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Actually not so much.

However, you can't campaign on: I'm a brilliant businessman, and I can give the American People a much better healthcare program, and then merely say to Congress -- this is your problem repeal Obamacare and then you can come up with a replacement program later.

Any Democrat who is stupid enough to think that this wasn't the major cause of their House success in the mid-terms, has been drinking way, way too much of the Leftist Kool-Aid.
 
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Reality check.

The left coast led by the huge population of California (plus Oregon and Washington state) and much of the right coast led by the huge population of New York are a Republican wasteland. They are hard core lefties and will never vote for Republicans.

That means the GOP has to win the heartland and the south. I think former southern governors Nikki Haley and/or Bobby Jindal can deliver the south. Pence can deliver the evangelicals as his values, lifestyle and values are very much in line with evangelicals (unlike Trump).
 
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Aardvark154 said:
Actually not so much.

However, you can't campaign on: I'm a brilliant businessman, and I can give the American People a much better healthcare program, and then merely say to Congress -- this is your problem repeal Obamacare and then you can come up with a replacement program later.

Any Democrat who is stupid enough to think that this wasn't the major cause of their House success in the mid-terms, has been drinking way, way too much of the Leftist Kool-Aid.
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When the very poor had no access to Healthcare unlike all the advanced nations, the Affordable Healthcare was a revolutionary step that the Republicans did everything to prevent it being implemented. There were numerous ridiculous demonstrations by the right wing just to kill the bill.

The 2016 Presidential Campaign was all about Repealing the Affordable Healthcare and coming up with an alternative that would be for all the Americans. Off course that failed the Smell Test and did not go anywhere. The reason was that there was nothing in place to replace it. In other words a broken campaign promise that went straight into the thrash bin.

The Democrats focused on the Healthcare in the Midterms and that is what the vast majority of Americans are concerned about. But for a certain POTUS to only focus on his base and the Invading Migrant Caravans should and did pay the price. The right wingers are the stupid ones to not realize that basic fact. Goodness knows what they are smoking these days!!
 
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This has all been hashed over many times. "The very poor did and do have access to healthcare -- Medicaid. People who work for medium and larger businesses and municipal, state and federal governments, have employer supplied medical insurance.

It is the self employed, and those who work for small firms who tend to have poor or no heath insurance, that hasn't changed -- there are many places in the U.S. where Obama care is unaffordable.
 
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