Trump caves and will reunite familes

Not a Trump fan, but I don't think Trump was the bad guy here. Further I think he had a valid strategy that could have worked, but wasn't given enough time.

The detaining of refugees is covered by law, HLS/ICE were following those laws. I also believe it's true that xx% of the children were not directly related to the adults and were used as a tool to gain access to the US. Therefore they must be separated IMO. However if it's proved they are related, they should not be separated.

Illegal immigration is a big problem and needs to be dealt with. I believe Trump was taking the tough guy approach: "if you come illegally, we'll lock you up immediately and likely send you back - don't test us". I'm okay with that. But politically motivated people started to blow the situation out of proportion and the political pressure became overwhelming. Trump capitulated and IMO, the US will pay a price. I believe the tough guy approach was the right approach - with the exception that proven families should be kept together. I'll bet allot of potential immigrants were beginning to think twice about trying to cross.

I realize many of these people just want a safer life with some hope for prosperity. But the US can't just let anyone in. It sucks, but it's reality.

Bud Plug said:

If illegal entrants were a race, you might have a point.

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So they are not humans of different races according to your statement??

Bud Plug said:

Wow. Trump is even nicer than anyone ever guessed!

We now return you to your regular Trump slagging programming.

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Seems he's definitely nicer then you.. think about that long and hard.

Butler1000 said:

Good. It shouldn't have happened.

Now cue in two weeks talking about all those poor families together in cages..........

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I am ok putting the families together in some sort of secured quarters. I hope they can get them some sort of minimal privacy. There is really no reason to treat people who want a better life like this. Once they received security clearance, they get some sort of accommodation while they are processed.

nottyboi said:

I am ok putting the families together in some sort of secured quarters. I hope they can get them some sort of minimal privacy. There is really no reason to treat people who want a better life like this. Once they received security clearance, they get some sort of accommodation while they are processed.

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They will be deported at the taxpayers' dime. Build the fucking wall and secure the border. Oh, and punish Mexico for looking the other way.

Also cancel Human Rights in the "Make America Great" USA, as only Democracies believe in it, and instead preach about the good deeds being carried out By Kim Jong On, Putin, Assad, Duterte and all the "Fine Tough Guys" on this planet.

oagre said:

Many of them will be deported. And it will be on the taxpayer's dime because EVERYTHING is on the taxpayer's dime. Traffic court is on the taxpayer's dime. Orange jumpsuits for inmates is on the taxpayer's dime. Judges' salaries are on the tapayer's dime. Police cars are on the taxpayer's dime. Armies are on the taxpayer's dime. Air conditioning in Congress is on the taxpayer's dime. It's the cost of having a country. It's an extra penny or two the taxpayer will pay at the end of the year. Along with Trump's extra security at Mar-a-Lago.

You don't want to pay this shit, go live on a barren, unclaimed rock in the Arctic Ocean. Otherwise pay your bills.

The only issue with paying to deport Hondurans is that you don't like Hondurans and they're high profile - unlike the jailed-for-life drug dealers who don't make the news as much, but who you pay for as well.

And if I thought the Wall would secure the border, I'd vote for the Wall too. From what I can see, the Hondurans could legally claim asylum at any border post on any highway on the US-Mexican border, just as easily as by wandering across an imaginary line in the desert. The issue appears to be that US Border Security is not obeying US law and accepting the asylum claims for adjudication and processing. Hmmmm..........

They should really obey their own law on that shouldn't they? Bet the ACLU will be litigating that issue soon.

And how are you going to "punish Mexico for looking the other way?" First of all, Mexico has about as much legal responsibility for people straying into the US as Canada does for visitors to Niagara Falls, NY who overstay their visas and don't return to Canada - i.e. NONE. So any attempt to "punish" Mexico would run afoul of international law. Not that the idiot who just took the US off the UN Council on Human Rights gives a shit about international law.

So let's try some other ideas..... Maybe Trump should make Mexico pay for a big, fucking wall between the US and Mexico?? Ohh, been tried and Trump fell on his fat ass. How about making Mexico pay extra tariffs? Ohh, being done with everyone right now until the markets collapse and Congress makes Trump take THAT idea and stuff it back up his capacious, flabby ass. So I'm all out of solutions and here's over to you....

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You're living in the world of impossible, that's the problem. Like Obama did, remember? The manufacturing jobs were gone for good, unemployment was the future, 3% GDP was the past, we were living in a new reality.- he kept telling the American people. And then, came Trump and succeeded where the geniuses failed. All Trump needs to do is to put migration through and from Mexico on the NAFTA table and Mexico will fold like a cheap suit. That will probably happen. Securing the border is not an impossible task, especially to a country with almost limitless resources. All that's required is political will to see it through. You don't even need a wall, just pass E-Verify with real teeth, making it a federal crime to hire the illegals and it will be Mexico building the wall to prevent the illegals from running back home.

jcpro said:

You're living in the world of impossible, that's the problem. Like Obama did, remember? The manufacturing jobs were gone for good, unemployment was the future, 3% GDP was the past, we were living in a new reality.- he kept telling the American people. And then, came Trump and succeeded where the geniuses failed. All Trump needs to do is to put migration through and from Mexico on the NAFTA table and Mexico will fold like a cheap suit. That will probably happen. Securing the border is not an impossible task, especially to a country with almost limitless resources. All that's required is political will to see it through. You don't even need a wall, just pass E-Verify with real teeth, making it a federal crime to hire the illegals and it will be Mexico building the wall to prevent the illegals from running back home.

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Talk about living in a fantasy world. You just make stuff up as you go!

Obama initially had to deal with the recession and his employment numbers towards the end of his term were very good. Lower skilled manufacturing was/is moving because it made business sense. High-skilled manufacturing and automation is the American way of the future.

Limitless resources - LOL! I guess all the unemployed mine workers can go pick the crops at the same rate the migrants were paid.

So you are agreeing Trump is wrong to build the wall, glad you've finally seen the light on that obvious item

Promo said:

Talk about living in a fantasy world. You just make stuff up as you go!

Obama initially had to deal with the recession and his employment numbers towards the end of his term were very good. Lower skilled manufacturing was/is moving because it made business sense. High-skilled manufacturing and automation is the American way of the future.

Limitless resources - LOL! I guess all the unemployed mine workers can go pick the crops at the same rate the migrants were paid.

So you are agreeing Trump is wrong to build the wall, glad you've finally seen the light on that obvious item

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Yawn

People are comparing Trump to a firefighter who commits arson to prove how brave they are when they put out the fire.

What an asshole.

If Trump was a Firefighter, there is no f-ucking way he would get close to the Fire. Probably wouldn't leave the Fire Station then brag he was the first one in -lol.

But I get your point.

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lumenon9 said:

If Trump was a Firefighter, there is no f-ucking way he would get close to the Fire. Probably wouldn't leave the Fire Station then brag he was the first one in -lol.

But I get your point.

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oagre said:

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So problems --- the Executive Order is in direct violation of the Immigration and Nationality Act (where is Danmand - that fan of the Guillotine. . . since this is absolute monarchy, it doesn't matter what Parliament in Crown Assembled has passed -- [Congress and signed by the President] the President [the Sovereign] can override a duly enacted law.

The solution is to pass a law which enables the deportation of families. -- That however likely runs afoul of the Clinton Administration Flores Settlement consent decree of 1997 which prohibits the detention of minors for more than 20 days.

So here we head towards a leftist open borders policy.

Which of course leads to the question if one is seeking asylum from Guatemala and travels over a thousand miles (1,800 Km) across Mexico to the border with the U.S.A., you couldn't have requested political asylum at any point along the way? Is perhaps what you are looking for not safe haven but rather the economically best place to settle?

At that rate why not keep traveling and apply at the Canadian border?

essguy_ said:

Don't forget to mention the role that the feckless c*nt (self censored so as not to upset the Trump snowflakes) had in this.

"President Daddy, It's making me look SO bad that you don't do anything. I won't sit in your lap and wiggle the way you like if you don't do something to stop all the people saying that Samantha Bee was right."

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Immigrants are often kept in detention in Canada also and so are their children sometimes. But I guess it so much more fun to shit on Trump and his daughter then on Canada's darling of the left, or to actually protest what is happening in your own country.

According to the most recent statistics available from the CBSA, 155 minors have been kept in detention facilities in the 2017-2018 year already — that includes foreign nationals, permanent residents and Canadians citizens. Five of those children were unaccompanied.

https://globalnews.ca/news/4283134/canada-migrant-families-children-detention/

And where is the outrage over Italy turning away a ship filled with migrants?

Oh yeah, that wouldn't involve the abuse of Trump and his family. Never mind.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/11/europe/msf-migrant-boat-italy-malta/index.html

That is freaking hilarious. I laughed for 15 minutes straight watching your Trumpty fire engine mini video.

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dickydoem said:

And where is the outrage over Italy turning away a ship filled with migrants?

Oh yeah, that wouldn't involve the abuse of Trump and his family. Never mind.

https://www.cnn.com/2018/06/11/europe/msf-migrant-boat-italy-malta/index.html

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Whataboutism.

Sigh.

jcpro said:

They will be deported at the taxpayers' dime. Build the fucking wall and secure the border. Oh, and punish Mexico for looking the other way.

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Why is it Mexicos fault? Mexico is such a mess because the US is full of junkies and the US govt cannot stop its people from using drugs. Because they live next to the nation of junkies, and the drugs are illegal, the profits associated with the drug trade have destoryed their country as they have tried to help fight the failed war on drugs.

Finally the Trumps should be awarded a Nobel Peace Prize. No, I am not talking about that moron called Donald. Just his wife Melania / and or his daughter Ivanka.
Obviously, if they have managed to get Trump to withdraw his own non tolerance policy, then in the name of human rights they deserve the Nobel Peace Prize.