How Safe Are Outcalls?
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I just meant that LE can track you down when you provide personal details to an SP to use for an outcall to your residence. Not worth the risk, IMO
I've found that some men like to meet the lady first at her incall location or, if she doesn't have one (like me), meet at a hotel first. Then once they are comfortable and trust her, they will invite the lady to their home.
i travel to toronto once a month or so for business, stay at a nice hotel and have a lady from one of the better agency's come visit. no problems! there are also a couple of indy's and retired ladies ( or semi retired ) that i know well and have seen several times that will visit the hotel. i think a lady visiting a client at a nice hotel feels pretty safe as he has had to provide id when checking in
I have seen dogee_01 at his hotel of choice when in town. Personally I won't go to someone's residence unless I know them well (i.e. seen them several times either at my incall or their hotel). Stick to well known/reviewed ladies and you shouldn't have any problems. Experienced ladies know how to act in any given situation and won't draw unwanted attention to herself or you!
Maybe from a c36 POV outcall to home would be less "safe" as it becomes impossible to stay anonymous. Hotels a little less concern but still possible to track a name down. I can't imagine anyone would go to the difficulty of finding this info unless there were issues of violence, underage, trafficking involved. From a personal safely / privacy POV I would never have an outcall to home. Unless I really knew her well. Had a bad experience years ago where the girl was not too discreet and could have easily "outed" me to the neighbours as having had an escort over. Since then never had outcall to my residence.
That is a valid point. We were all 'unknowns' once. That's why I think it is best for new ladies to start with an agency and build their reputation that way first before going indy.
Agreed. Some things are hard to un-do: Once you've had an outcall to your personal residence (where, presumably, you will continue to reside), you're dependent on the agency/SP to delete any record of it.
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Precisely, we're not talking about a TOFTT in general, we're talking specifically about an outcall to a member's home, which is much more risky both ways. Once the lady has established herself as a reputable provider via incall's, etc. you're less likely to have any problems. Taking a chance on a complete newbie either way in this scenario could very likely lead to trouble. This was the reasoning behind my comment. So glad that we agree!
Wow, didn't realize I had to quantify my general statement with a percentage.
I'm an Indy that drives/takes public transit myself to an outcall. This means there's no driver potentially waiting for me to finish, no one to call to say I've arrived and all's well, etc. I also currently don't ask for references, handles, etc. (this will change soon), giving me little assurance that the person in question is safe. For that reason I won't go to an unknown person 's house.
You state that "The OP is seeking info on outcalls. For this I wouldn't reco an unknown Indy". I say to stick to well known/reviewed ladies and you shouldn't have any problems. In this we agree, no?
However, nothing is guaranteed. Sounds like you've been very lucky. I have a reg that rarely does outcalls, claiming to have recently had a bad experience with a known Indy at his hotel, hence my statement that you could very likely have a negative experience. You could also very likely have a good one too. I'm not going to come up with arbitrary numbers or belabour the point any more. Accept it in the context it was intended or don't.
I'm an Indy that drives/takes public transit myself to an outcall. This means there's no driver potentially waiting for me to finish, no one to call to say I've arrived and all's well, etc. I also currently don't ask for references, handles, etc. (this will change soon), giving me little assurance that the person in question is safe. For that reason I won't go to an unknown person 's house.
You state that "The OP is seeking info on outcalls. For this I wouldn't reco an unknown Indy". I say to stick to well known/reviewed ladies and you shouldn't have any problems. In this we agree, no?
However, nothing is guaranteed. Sounds like you've been very lucky. I have a reg that rarely does outcalls, claiming to have recently had a bad experience with a known Indy at his hotel, hence my statement that you could very likely have a negative experience. You could also very likely have a good one too. I'm not going to come up with arbitrary numbers or belabour the point any more. Accept it in the context it was intended or don't.
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It would appear that many on this thread agree, including other providers and yourself to some extent.
I stand by my conviction that if you stick to well known/reviewed ladies you shouldn't, or most likely, or very likely won't have any problems. Not understanding why you insist on debating this with me, semantics or otherwise, but not the other posters on here who have expressed or evidenced similar sentiments.
For the record, I never said not to see new ladies, just that it's risky having an unknown entity to your home. I'm guessing that you're using reputable, established, well known agencies that you have a good relationship with and not fly by night operations.
I'm truly glad to learn that like Celticman, who is very well known and experienced hobbyist, you haven't had any serious issues or problems, but bear in mind that others who may not be as savvy, etc. have not been so lucky.
Since i live in a small town i can't do outcall at home. There is some very dark and shady agencies in this town, but i would never use them, not even for incall or outcall at hotel or whatever. Im too used to the great GFE of model looking hot ladies from Montreal.
But if i was living in Montreal, i would surely take outcall to my home. But i would do it only with reputed providers (over 5 good reviews) I wouldn't want to waste money on an unessary hotel...
I am just not a fan of incall, i try to avoid them as much as possible.
When i go to MTL i usually use the same hotel, and if full i have 2 others i use as "backup" , so i feel almost like at a secondary residence when i go there, and the hotel crew know me, they know i never make trouble and never gave me any shit for seeing SPs there.
As for the law... i would say you are more at risk if they bust an incall place and it happen to be when your there. They would need a warrant to enter your home.
But if i was living in Montreal, i would surely take outcall to my home. But i would do it only with reputed providers (over 5 good reviews) I wouldn't want to waste money on an unessary hotel...
I am just not a fan of incall, i try to avoid them as much as possible.
When i go to MTL i usually use the same hotel, and if full i have 2 others i use as "backup" , so i feel almost like at a secondary residence when i go there, and the hotel crew know me, they know i never make trouble and never gave me any shit for seeing SPs there.
As for the law... i would say you are more at risk if they bust an incall place and it happen to be when your there. They would need a warrant to enter your home.
True, but if they busted an incall place which also provided outcall, LE could gain access to the customer list / ladies cellphones, text messages etc., and then anyone who requested outcall would be exposed with their name and address.
LOL I remember watching those episodes from the late 90's and early 00's as well. York Region has been using this strategy in their latest sting operations, but those have been targeting guys who are going after underage girls. Forces in the GTA seem to be mostly focused on going after guys looking for underage sex, human trafficking and occasionally shutting down massage parlours that have generated lots of complaints. That having been said priorities within a police force can change without notice so it is always a good idea to be a bit cautious.
Outcall agencies only representing willing ladies of consent age and provide advertisement transport and security
From the reports the guys were not "seeking" underaged. They went to an adult website, pictures of adults and usually BP post shows age on top. Assume same in Canada we can't reach BP Canada from the U.S.
In Phoenix LE did lots of "pretend underage" stings. In one case the adult women in the ad had a wedding ring on. Also while the age of consent in AZ is 18 it is 16 in next door NV and in CO. When a top exec of Whole Foods replied to an ad and gal mentioned she was 16 he thought nothing of it since legal where he was from in CO.
Only six states have age of consent at 18, rest lower as low as 14.
Those arrested in these "pretend underage" stings face up to 10 years in prison and have to register as a sex offender for life.
I have watched some of these cases on appeal and attorneys try and use the entrapment defense. However, it has never worked in the cases I've reviewed - their conviction and sentences were upheld.
The only win I've seen is against enhanced sentence beyond 10 years a guy won because there was no underage involved only the "pretend",. While he could get 10 years in prison he couldn't get 20 under the enhanced sentencing law.
