Yes, we love our country, but ‘best in the world'? Get real

danmand

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Jeffrey Simpson

If Canada's so great and the world needs more of us, name the last great Canadian initiative


There was something rather nice about Canada, years ago, when it was a modest country, or at least when Canadians thought about their country in that fashion.

Today, if polls can be believed, Canadians are in love with their country - which is okay - but in love to a fault in that, apparently, almost 90 per cent of them believe they live in “the best country in the world.”

There are many admirable aspects of Canada, and we exult in them around Canada Day. But the dangers of thinking of your country as the cat's meow are hubris and, worse still, a stubborn inability to look problems in the eye or to learn from others.

If there is one assertion around which almost all Canadians would rally, it is that, as the Chapters Indigo slogan puts it, the “world needs more Canada.” The assumption supporting this assertion is that we Canadians are so worthy, morally upright and generally well-intentioned that the world would be a better place if it were more like, well, us. Which, in turn, leads Canadians to their deadliest sin: an unsinkable moral superiority.

We do lead the world in some instances. For example, we have the world's worst record among industrialized countries for emitting greenhouse-gas emissions that cause global warming. Of all the countries that signed the Kyoto Protocol, Canada's emissions rose the fastest - faster than even U.S. emissions under George W. Bush.

We are now parading ourselves at climate-change conferences proclaiming a goal of reducing emissions by 20 per cent by 2020 from a 2005 yardstick. Our previous record, however, is so bad, and the Harper's government's interest in climate change so ephemeral, that almost no country in the talks gives Canada much credibility at all.

Canada is almost alone in flogging asbestos around the world, or at least preventing more serious impediments to its export, all to protect some jobs in the Quebec town of Thetford Mines.

We club baby seals and give ourselves a black eye in Europe and elsewhere for an industry that, yes, has been around for a long time and, yes, forms part of the Inuit's traditional culture, but that brings in very little revenue in exchange for terrible publicity.

We have the tar sands, the defence of which no government will fail to try, without contemplating, let alone forcing, new ways of exploiting the resource in ways that might make it sustainable - except for a useful but far from adequate investment in carbon capture and storage.

The world trade negotiations, the so-called Doha round, are dormant, but when they showed some flickering life to liberalize trade, Canada was in the dark corner with France, some other European countries, Japan and South Korea - the usual suspects - blocking agricultural reform to preserve the protectionist supply management system.

Canada used to have a reputation as an honest broker with peacekeeping troops serving United Nations missions - a role that won kudos. But now our troops are committed to NATO's mission in Afghanistan, so very few are available for what Canadians used to think the world liked us for doing.

Put matters another way: If Canada is so great and if the world needs more of us, just what Canadian “initiative” can you think of in the past, say, four or five years, since Paul Martin suggested a G20 instead of a G8, an idea that matured into a reality?

Domestically, the country's greatest accomplishment was getting its fiscal house in order - which, in turn, led to excellent short-term results and positioned the country well for the aging of the population that will strain government resources. We also beefed up money for university research. But our productivity and competitiveness continue to lag.

The decline of manufacturing and the struggles of high technology reveal Canada for essentially being what it's always been - a hewer of wood and drawer of water, a country excessively dependent not on brain power but on natural resources.

To repeat: There are admirable aspects of being Canadian, and these have all been justly celebrated on Canada Day. But self-satisfaction can lead to a refusal to acknowledge weaknesses, to allow patriotism to curb critical thought, to refuse to face hard choices, and to cover a slow, albeit comfortable, slide toward international marginality and domestic mediocrity.
 

rafterman

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I'm sure you could make this analysis of any country i.e. USA, UK, AUS etc. They all have negative points.
 

Don

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Oh for f**k's sake let us feel proud of our country on Canada Day at least. Better to live in this country and be happy to be Canadian than be someone who lives here and compains about it IMHO.
 

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I see nothing wrong with Canadian pride. It is horseshit also to think that we do not know that there are problems with our country.

It's about time we had some (a lot) of pride in our great country and its people.
 

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Whenever you hear someone call there country the greatest country in the world, just add 'for them' to the end because I think thats what most of them really mean, they're just used to hearing it said that way.
 

dj1470

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I am Canadian.
So Canada is the greatest in the world.
Period.

P.S. my mom is also the best mom in the world
 

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Apart from the not so good weather from October to May, it still remains one of the better places to live in the world.
 

rafterman

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dj1470 said:
I am Canadian.
So Canada is the greatest in the world.
Period.

P.S. my mom is also the best mom in the world
Ha ha ha

Yeh, as long as I'm living here it's the greatest country in the world.

If I move....not so much.
 

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danmand said:
But the dangers of thinking of your country as the cat's meow are hubris and, worse still, a stubborn inability to look problems in the eye or to learn from others.
I think Canada is the best country in the world. I don't think we are perfect. I am not afraid to look at problems in the eye. For example, I think we have way too many monopolistic public sector unions:( and the cost of making them happy is a wasteful cost to the economy.

Canada should also get rid of its repressive consenting adult sex laws. There is no cost and many benefits to getting rid of these laws. We should also make it illegal for women under the age of 30 to wear panties because studies have shown that it is healthier.
 

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Just go home already

Although Danmand is an immigrant to our amazing nation, he takes no end of pleasure in talking-down Canada. I am not surprised that a hypocrite like him would go out of his way to provide visibility to an article that speaks negatively about this amazing country.
 

Rockslinger

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CapitalGuy said:
Although xxxxxxx is an immigrant to our amazing nation, he takes no end of pleasure in talking-down Canada.
Sort of like the mother in law you took into your home because she lost all her money at the casino who then proceeds to thrash your house.:(
 

Never Compromised

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I've noticed that the OP stays in Canada, yet seems to find that Canada sucks or should be more like his beloved Denmark. He never misses an opportunity to piss on Canada and Canadians.

While everyone is entitled to free speech, and while we should all be doing something to make Canada "better", I find it telling that he does not seem to have anything nice to say about Canada, other than it is not as bad as the US.

If the OP can't find anything good about Canada to compare to his beloved Denmark, maybe he should return back to his socialist paradise.
 

danmand

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Jeffrey Simpson in the Globe and Mail.


If Canada's so great and the world needs more of us, name the last great Canadian initiative


There was something rather nice about Canada, years ago, when it was a modest country, or at least when Canadians thought about their country in that fashion.

Today, if polls can be believed, Canadians are in love with their country - which is okay - but in love to a fault in that, apparently, almost 90 per cent of them believe they live in “the best country in the world.”

There are many admirable aspects of Canada, and we exult in them around Canada Day. But the dangers of thinking of your country as the cat's meow are hubris and, worse still, a stubborn inability to look problems in the eye or to learn from others.

If there is one assertion around which almost all Canadians would rally, it is that, as the Chapters Indigo slogan puts it, the “world needs more Canada.” The assumption supporting this assertion is that we Canadians are so worthy, morally upright and generally well-intentioned that the world would be a better place if it were more like, well, us. Which, in turn, leads Canadians to their deadliest sin: an unsinkable moral superiority.

We do lead the world in some instances. For example, we have the world's worst record among industrialized countries for emitting greenhouse-gas emissions that cause global warming. Of all the countries that signed the Kyoto Protocol, Canada's emissions rose the fastest - faster than even U.S. emissions under George W. Bush.

We are now parading ourselves at climate-change conferences proclaiming a goal of reducing emissions by 20 per cent by 2020 from a 2005 yardstick. Our previous record, however, is so bad, and the Harper's government's interest in climate change so ephemeral, that almost no country in the talks gives Canada much credibility at all.

Canada is almost alone in flogging asbestos around the world, or at least preventing more serious impediments to its export, all to protect some jobs in the Quebec town of Thetford Mines.

We club baby seals and give ourselves a black eye in Europe and elsewhere for an industry that, yes, has been around for a long time and, yes, forms part of the Inuit's traditional culture, but that brings in very little revenue in exchange for terrible publicity.

We have the tar sands, the defence of which no government will fail to try, without contemplating, let alone forcing, new ways of exploiting the resource in ways that might make it sustainable - except for a useful but far from adequate investment in carbon capture and storage.

The world trade negotiations, the so-called Doha round, are dormant, but when they showed some flickering life to liberalize trade, Canada was in the dark corner with France, some other European countries, Japan and South Korea - the usual suspects - blocking agricultural reform to preserve the protectionist supply management system.

Canada used to have a reputation as an honest broker with peacekeeping troops serving United Nations missions - a role that won kudos. But now our troops are committed to NATO's mission in Afghanistan, so very few are available for what Canadians used to think the world liked us for doing.

Put matters another way: If Canada is so great and if the world needs more of us, just what Canadian “initiative” can you think of in the past, say, four or five years, since Paul Martin suggested a G20 instead of a G8, an idea that matured into a reality?

Domestically, the country's greatest accomplishment was getting its fiscal house in order - which, in turn, led to excellent short-term results and positioned the country well for the aging of the population that will strain government resources. We also beefed up money for university research. But our productivity and competitiveness continue to lag.

The decline of manufacturing and the struggles of high technology reveal Canada for essentially being what it's always been - a hewer of wood and drawer of water, a country excessively dependent not on brain power but on natural resources.

To repeat: There are admirable aspects of being Canadian, and these have all been justly celebrated on Canada Day. But self-satisfaction can lead to a refusal to acknowledge weaknesses, to allow patriotism to curb critical thought, to refuse to face hard choices, and to cover a slow, albeit comfortable, slide toward international marginality and domestic mediocrity.
 

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Its got many of the great things the USA has, however without

a) Handguns everywhere
b) The same level of violence & crime
c) the same level of polution (garbage strike not withstanding)
d) the same level of poverty
e) the same number of Americans
 

Rockslinger

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danmand said:
If Canada's so great and the world needs more of us, name the last great Canadian initiative.
Canada gave the planet the Charter of Rights and Freedom. The Charter applies not only to Canadians but to every single human being (and raccoon:p ) on the face of the Earth.

Gave the world the Blackberry.

One of 4 countries to legalize gay marriages. What could possibly be more important than gay marriages? Can you name the other 3 countries?
 

Rockslinger

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BTW Which country is Danmand comparing Canada to? Is it a country on the planet Earth or some planet in a galaxy far far away?
 

danmand

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Jeffrey Simpson in the Globe and Mail.


If Canada's so great and the world needs more of us, name the last great Canadian initiative


There was something rather nice about Canada, years ago, when it was a modest country, or at least when Canadians thought about their country in that fashion.

Today, if polls can be believed, Canadians are in love with their country - which is okay - but in love to a fault in that, apparently, almost 90 per cent of them believe they live in “the best country in the world.”

There are many admirable aspects of Canada, and we exult in them around Canada Day. But the dangers of thinking of your country as the cat's meow are hubris and, worse still, a stubborn inability to look problems in the eye or to learn from others.

If there is one assertion around which almost all Canadians would rally, it is that, as the Chapters Indigo slogan puts it, the “world needs more Canada.” The assumption supporting this assertion is that we Canadians are so worthy, morally upright and generally well-intentioned that the world would be a better place if it were more like, well, us. Which, in turn, leads Canadians to their deadliest sin: an unsinkable moral superiority.

We do lead the world in some instances. For example, we have the world's worst record among industrialized countries for emitting greenhouse-gas emissions that cause global warming. Of all the countries that signed the Kyoto Protocol, Canada's emissions rose the fastest - faster than even U.S. emissions under George W. Bush.

We are now parading ourselves at climate-change conferences proclaiming a goal of reducing emissions by 20 per cent by 2020 from a 2005 yardstick. Our previous record, however, is so bad, and the Harper's government's interest in climate change so ephemeral, that almost no country in the talks gives Canada much credibility at all.

Canada is almost alone in flogging asbestos around the world, or at least preventing more serious impediments to its export, all to protect some jobs in the Quebec town of Thetford Mines.

We club baby seals and give ourselves a black eye in Europe and elsewhere for an industry that, yes, has been around for a long time and, yes, forms part of the Inuit's traditional culture, but that brings in very little revenue in exchange for terrible publicity.

We have the tar sands, the defence of which no government will fail to try, without contemplating, let alone forcing, new ways of exploiting the resource in ways that might make it sustainable - except for a useful but far from adequate investment in carbon capture and storage.

The world trade negotiations, the so-called Doha round, are dormant, but when they showed some flickering life to liberalize trade, Canada was in the dark corner with France, some other European countries, Japan and South Korea - the usual suspects - blocking agricultural reform to preserve the protectionist supply management system.

Canada used to have a reputation as an honest broker with peacekeeping troops serving United Nations missions - a role that won kudos. But now our troops are committed to NATO's mission in Afghanistan, so very few are available for what Canadians used to think the world liked us for doing.

Put matters another way: If Canada is so great and if the world needs more of us, just what Canadian “initiative” can you think of in the past, say, four or five years, since Paul Martin suggested a G20 instead of a G8, an idea that matured into a reality?

Domestically, the country's greatest accomplishment was getting its fiscal house in order - which, in turn, led to excellent short-term results and positioned the country well for the aging of the population that will strain government resources. We also beefed up money for university research. But our productivity and competitiveness continue to lag.

The decline of manufacturing and the struggles of high technology reveal Canada for essentially being what it's always been - a hewer of wood and drawer of water, a country excessively dependent not on brain power but on natural resources.

To repeat: There are admirable aspects of being Canadian, and these have all been justly celebrated on Canada Day. But self-satisfaction can lead to a refusal to acknowledge weaknesses, to allow patriotism to curb critical thought, to refuse to face hard choices, and to cover a slow, albeit comfortable, slide toward international marginality and domestic mediocrity.
 
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JEFFREY SIMPSON
Globe & Mail's National Affairs Columnist

As the Globe and Mail’s national affairs columnist since 1984, Jeffrey Simpson knows domestic and international issues. He has won the Governor General’s award for non-fiction writing, the National Magazine Award for political writing and the National Newspaper Award for column writing. He has also won the Hyman Solomon Award for excellence in public policy journalism. Simpson’s views have been published in Saturday Night, Report on Business Magazine, The Journal of Canadian Studies and The Queen’s Quarterly.

He has lectured at Oxford, Edinburgh, Harvard, Princeton, Brigham Young, Johns Hopkins, Maine, California, and more than a dozen universities in Canada. His books include Discipline of Power, Spoils of Power, Faultlines: Struggling For a Canadian Vision, The Anxious Years, Star-Spangled Canadians and The Friendly Dictatorship. He co-authored his newest book Hot Air: Meeting Canada’s Climate Change Challenge.

Jeffrey Simpson regularly contributes to television and radio programs in both official languages and is a sought-after speaker at major conferences in Canada and abroad.


In other words, he's not much stock....
 

Rockslinger

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The Cunning Linguist said:
In other words, he's not much stock...
Another ivory tower academic who never had to meet a payroll? My boss, "The Big Guy", could whip his ass.
 
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