Wussy college Republicans

[TOVisitor]

From: http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/6/24/204727/201

Thank god the College Republicans are in the forefront of the fight for freedom.

Tony Perkins from the Family Research Council took the stage, noting with courageous enthusiasm, "There are some things that are worth fighting for." He proceeded to talk about the Iraq War, and some very heroic veterans. ... Then he said, "They're giving their lives as you're giving your time."

Think Progress says:

You know, you've got a point there, Tony. Just like our soldiers are dying in Iraq, campus conservatives are stapling flyers for an Ann Coulter speech to a kiosk. Basically the same thing.

Steve Gilliard says:

I see a bunch of healthy young men and women here. So why the fuck are they here and not at MCRD Parris Island or Ft. Jackson. If you love soldiers so goddamn much, go fucking be one. Take the oath. Your time doesn't mean dick. Not to the 11B's or the truck drivers or the ER nurses or surgeons or the orthopedics nurses. Your time? Fuck your time.

Our nation desperately needs young men and women to fight the war they support. Yet they refuse to step forward. They pretend to honor those making the sacrifices, but don't you dare ask them to move past empty rhetoric and put words into action. That would be too "negative".

There's an idea from the party of ideas, trunc. How about you and all of your boys here mosey on down to a US Army recruiting center and sign up? Peeping tom? Vietor? OTB? K Douglas? americanson?

 

[papasmerf]

TO you remind me of an AWOL soldier trying to discredit his commanders. Doing this only to divert attention from the fact he is a coward.

 

[MrLuvr]

I went to the College Republicans website today to see if I could rile those bunch of cowards up and ask them when they are going to be signing up for the Iraq war.

Guess what? They have taken their forum down! I guess they don't want to hear any criticism.

It really proves what a bunch of cowards they are. They are hiding.

Anyone know of any forums that cater to right wing wackos? I think it would be fun going in there and asking them why they are fighting with keyboards while soldiers are getting killed. ToVisitor are you with me? Let us go and raid some of these sites..

 

[MrLuvr]

BTW, have the monkey's twin daughter, Jenna and whoever, signed up to be sent to iraq yet?

 

[WoodPeckr]

Once a Chickenhawk, always a Chickenhawk

The more things change, the more they remain the same.
Had them back in Nam, still have them today.
Those loyal lemmings, the young GOPers who will support Dubya's 'holy crusade' in every way, so long as someone else does the fighting ....
After all as Cheney said in the past, these young chickenhawks would say now "we have other priorities"........

 

[newguy27]

While i agree that there are a LOT of people who are afraid to really step up for what they believe in, lets not forget that it goes both ways too. I dont see all those anti-iraq bush-bashers in the US (and in Canada) flying over to Iraq to help the "insurgency" by blowing themselves up in police stations, water treatment plants, or recruitment centres. In fact, what about all of those Iraqis who are in fact lining up to sign up for their new army, being targeted by the terrorists? We should give major props to them and speak out against the cowardly people who try to bomb them.

 

[TOVisitor]

TO you remind me of an AWOL soldier trying to discredit his commanders. Doing this only to divert attention from the fact he is a coward.

Damn Papa, I left you out of the list! THAT's why you insist on spouting such drivel.

Shoot the messenger, Papa, from behind your keyboard. Because that's about all you will ever shoot. You're the coward.

 

[papasmerf]

Damn Papa, I left you out of the list! THAT's why you insist on spouting such drivel.

Not at all. It is easy to bash people and ideas when you have confidence you will never be known. I have asked you repeatedly what country you are a citizen of. And you skate around saying you are a citizen of Earth. You are begining to sound like a disenfranchised citizen. One who is considered persona non grata, in their own country. How about it visitor? Where do you hail from and where do you reside?

 

[newguy27]

One who is considered persona non grata, in their own country. How about it visitor? Where do you hail from and where do you reside?

I agree, TOVisitor sounds like someone hiding out from their own country or awaiting their French citizenship, anyways

 

[TOVisitor]

Anyone know of any forums that cater to right wing wackos? I think it would be fun going in there and asking them why they are fighting with keyboards while soldiers are getting killed. ToVisitor are you with me? Let us go and raid some of these sites..

I have gotten myself banned from several of their sites. Seems that they don't like looking into mirrors very much --- ashamed of what they see.

 

[MrLuvr]

I have gotten myself banned from several of their sites. Seems that they don't like looking into mirrors very much --- ashamed of what they see.

Yeah, the truth hurts. Cowards. I would take getting banned from their sites as a compliment.

 

[irlandais9000]

I dont see all those anti-iraq bush-bashers in the US (and in Canada) flying over to Iraq to help the "insurgency" by blowing themselves up in police stations, water treatment plants, or recruitment centres.

That's irrelevant. Why would you think that just because someone opposes Bush, that they must support suicide bombers?

 

[TOVisitor]

That's irrelevant. Why would you think that just because someone opposes Bush, that they must support suicide bombers?

Irlandais:

Newguy has trouble putting together cogent arguments, and he's gone a bit off the deep end on this one.

 

[TOVisitor]

Where do you hail from and where do you reside?

Here I am, Papa. Come visit me.

25 Lafayette Square
Buffalo, NY 14203
716-856-3954

By the way, make sure to take this with you: http://webpages.charter.net/micah/sticker.gif

 

[Truncador]

Here I am, Papa. Come visit me.

25 Lafayette Square
Buffalo, NY 14203
716-856-3954

OK now I've got it figured out about the chickenhawks and yellow Republicans and other slurs. You're part of a military recruitment programme that attempts to troll people into signing up for Army duty

 

[TOVisitor]

OK now I've got it figured out about the chickenhawks and yellow Republicans and other slurs.

I beg your pardon, sir. Those are NOT slurs.

 

[Asterix]

You're part of a military recruitment programme that attempts to troll people into signing up for Army duty

Guess it's not working, huh? The army could always borrow an old idea from the navy and try shanghaiing next.

 

[TOVisitor]

From: http://redstateson.blogspot.com/2005/06/war-babies.html

There's nothing like a gaggle of young reactionaries to help sharpen your aim. They're easy targets, yes, wide-eyed and green, but given what they have in mind for us down the road, they are more than fair game. In fact, they are mandatory game.

For the past few days, these Coulter/Hannity wannabes convened at the College Republican National Convention in Arlington, VA. Some of the activities, as witnessed by a couple of undercover moles, were pretty much what one would expect -- lots of beer chugging, cigar smoking, political networking, and of course extensive liberal baiting. Nothing new there. (One guy was spotted wearing a Rumsfeld t-shirt. A Rumsfeld t-shirt?) But the big topic that these little GOPers either dodged or tried to explain away was their avoidance of active military service. They are prime Army or Marine stock, and since most if not all of them support the occupation of Iraq, you'd think, being solid patriots, they'd finish their weekend blast by immediately enlisting for combat duty.

(Crickets.)

As Steve Gilliard points out (he loves shooting chickenhawks), these GOPers have no intention of acting on their professed love of war. Which is no surprise. Most domestic supporters of Bush's war who are capable of military service simply and arrogantly refuse to do so. Steve calls them cowards, which I suspect many are. But in my experience, most of these people are crass elitists. They see themselves as the Smart Folk who must remain alive in order to influence or help shape national policy. Dying in war? That's for the working class and the poor. That's for idiots and losers who could not get into the Heritage Foundation, CATO Institute, or CSIS.

As Andrew Sullivan once put it, those sent to kill and die are our "servants," a social category those bright kids at that Arlington conference want no part of. They are into power and money. Let some fucking hick from West Virginia deal with car bombs and snipers. They got deals to make and policy papers to ghost.

Again, nothing new. Back in the day, I hung out with several of these types, most of whom had cut their political teeth at the Dartmouth Review, the infamous reactionary campus paper that gave us the likes of Dinesh D'Souza and Laura Ingraham, among less notable others. None of them had any desire to serve in the military, but they were some of the biggest militarists I'd ever encountered, waxing romantically about the glories of combat and conquering rogue nations. I'd listen, smile, nod my head. Order another drink. Then I'd tell them that I served in the military, and while I never saw combat (different time), I knew all about basic training, how hard it is even if you're in peak condition. Though I was gung-ho going in, I felt little romance once my drill sergeants began barking in my face, telling me to drop and give them 20/30/50 push-ups, depending on my transgression or their moods. I heard no poetry as I crawled through mud under barbed-wire while live M-60 tracer rounds whizzed right over my head (in that summer heat, M-60 bullets provided brief but appreciated breeze). And there was nothing at all sublime about removing my gas mask in a closed hut filled with tear gas, having to endure the intense burning in my eyes, nostrils and mouth until the drill sergeant ordered us out into fresh air, where most of us (me included) fell to our knees, gagged, coughed, vomited on the hillside grass.

There was much more to basic than that. But this was enough to quiet my young reactionary friends, at least when I was around them. And when I'd ask what made them so special that they wouldn't do what I did, they gave pretty much the same answers as the latest batch of GOPers mentioned above: they had their careers to think about.

So while it's fun -- and necessary -- to bash these war-for-thee-but-not-for-me opportunists and future Beltway hustlers, just remember that they come from a long line of pro-war elitists who hold the average soldier and Marine in contempt. For them, "supporting the troops" means letting the lower-orders fight and die alone.

So tell us, guys .. which are you? A chicken or an elitist? I say you are elitists -- especially YOU trunc.

 

[Truncador]

The populist-sounding attack on "elitism" conceals an attack on civil society as we know it. In a civil society with a specialized armed force, the civilian is necessarily the social superior of the active-duty soldier, who is necessarily deemed a servant- in fact, a slave (compare military to civilian law)- of the civil power. This "armed slave" (as soldiers were formerly called) has to do whatever the civilian public through the State tells him to without question. Since the profession of arms is necessarily servile in social standing, it does indeed tend to be staffed by those of lower socioeconomic status and there's no use pretending otherwise.

This civic elitism is, for all that, still vastly preferable to- and much more egalitarian than- its historically far more widespread alternative, namely social orders in which the civilians become slaves to the warriors instead of the other way around, and where the warrior class and the governing class are one and the same.

 

[red]

The populist-sounding attack on "elitism" conceals an attack on civil society as we know it. In a civil society with a specialized armed force, the civilian is necessarily the social superior of the active-duty soldier, who is necessarily deemed a servant- in fact, a slave (compare military to civilian law)- of the civil power. This "armed slave" (as soldiers were formerly called) has to do whatever the civilian public through the State tells him to without question. Since the profession of arms is necessarily servile in social standing, it does indeed tend to be staffed by those of lower socioeconomic status and there's no use pretending otherwise.

This civic elitism is, for all that, still vastly preferable to- and much more egalitarian than- its historically far more widespread alternative, namely social orders in which the civilians become slaves to the warriors instead of the other way around, and where the warrior class and the governing class are one and the same.

you would make a hell of a recruiter