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Will this article make it to press at the Globe.

flubadub

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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/politics/a-mideast-reading-list-for-tories-willing-to-learn/article1688215/

This is the most realistic article about mideast peace I've ever seen on the Globe.
And for that reason, I'm willing to bet it never makes it to the paper edition, and may in fact disappear from the web soon.
Any takers?

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A look at the zealous, reactionary, and above all dangerous government that now rules Israel demonstrates this tragic truth. This is a regime that must be vigorously opposed by all who support equity, justice and peace. But watch out. When it comes to Israel and Palestine, you stand up for justice at considerable personal risk, as both Avraham Burg and our final book point out.
I highly recommend Michael Keefer's indispensable new book, Anti-Semitism Real and Imagined: Responses to the Canadian Parliamentary Coalition to Combat Anti-Semitism. Mr. Keefer, a professor at Guelph University, has pulled together writings of his own and others to expose the ugly attempts by the Conservative government and influential Jewish organizations to damn any criticism of the government of Israel as an attack on the very existence of the Jewish state. So criticizing what Avraham Burg calls the “thugs” who run Israel makes you automatically an anti-Semite. Too bad if the critics happen to be Jewish Israelis.

Mr. Keefer makes another important and timely contribution. I have in earlier columns noted a remarkable paradox: This generation of Canadian Jews is among the most fortunate in the world, indeed in the history of the world, with anti-Semitism rarely touching any of our privileged lives. Yet the B’nai Brith, echoed by the Conservatives and the mysterious and rather sinister Canadian Parliamentary Coalition to Combat Anti-Semitism, insist that Canada has seen a dramatic resurgence of such hatred.

Mr. Keefer does a thorough analysis of the available data to show what virtually all Jews know from personal experience: this is groundless fear-mongering. He shows that many so-called incidents of anti-Semitism are trivial, overblown or imaginary; they may be reported (unlike other criminal acts), but they’re often completely unverified. Worse, many others are not really examples of anti-Semitism at all but mere criticism of the government of Israel. And that's precisely the point of the bloated numbers. They are exploited – with frightening success – to create a climate in which no critical debate about Israel is legitimate and anyone who does criticize is smeared as an anti-Semite who wants Israel to disappear.
Every day, Israel wittingly creates more bitter, despairing, hopeless Palestinians with nothing to lose, and so the existing vicious cycle is perpetuated. Does our government understand this?
 

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That Dr. Caplan is a senior operative/figure in the NDP, needless to say has nothing to do with this attack article.
 

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It's a book plug disquised as an anti harper op piece.( Btw, most of the other parties support those policies) There is actually no data in it whatsover.

If your going to come to the plate flub, as least bring a bat.
 

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Whatever he is he makes some good points...

If israel keeps using the magic antisemite slur forcefeild to sheild their crimes then sooner rather than later Anti-emite will become a COMPLIMENT... The israeli strategy of inexorably tying themselves in with every Jew will be disasterous when that state finally goes under.

The term should be reserved for assholes that are targeting a Jew for being a Jew... Then the term ould actually mean something
 

flubadub

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And as I suspected the article is on the web, but didn't make it to the print edition. Replaced with a pro-Israel piece filled with such zingers as:

To this day, the Palestinian side rejected all Israeli peace offers as not good enough.
and

Mr. Netanyahu returned to power chiefly to save Israel from the “existential threat” posed by Iran
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The current Israeli government is the most dovish since Yitzhak Rabin’s assassination 15 years ago
http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/its-too-early-to-write-off-direct-israeli-palestinian-talks/article1688191/
 

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And as I suspected the article is on the web, but didn't make it to the print edition. Replaced with a pro-Israel piece filled with such zingers as:



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http://www.theglobeandmail.com/news/opinions/its-too-early-to-write-off-direct-israeli-palestinian-talks/article1688191/
And of course because you don't agree with the statements they could possibly be true.

LOL.. You simply reject anything and everything which is critical of the Palestinians and which might tend to show Israel in a favorable light. Your knee jerk and predictable reactions rob you/clown of any credibility whatsoever.

You/clown are truly pathetic. Go back to defending the Lebanese army.
 

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i don't think the article has been changed at all , there is not suffucient proof. However is the UN is willing to look into it and make their report public, Ill change my mind.
 

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Since flub wants to discuss general issues about views on the Middle East, I'll add a couple.

Hamas warns PA before peace talks

Hamas warned the Palestinian Authority Saturday, ahead of scheduled peace talks with Israel, that "the Izz-a-Din al-Qassam Brigades will step on the heads of those who dare cede the right of return, Jerusalem, and Palestine".
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"Hamas continues to grow stronger and prepare for the final battle until your banishment from Palestine. Your existence is on its way to disappearing," he said in a monologue aimed at Israel.
http://www.ynetnews.com/articles/0,7340,L-3945073,00.html

And from the more moderate of the two Palestinian governments,
Report: Palestinians reject bid for bi-weekly Netanyahu-Abbas meetings

Chief Palestinian negotiator Saeb Erekat rejected Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's proposal to hold a face-to-face meeting with Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas every two weeks, Israel Radio reported on Saturday, citing an interview Erekat gave to the BBC in Arabic.
http://www.haaretz.com/news/diploma...r-bi-weekly-netanyahu-abbas-meetings-1.310663
 

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And of course because you don't agree with the statements they could possibly be true.

LOL.. You simply reject anything and everything which is critical of the Palestinians and which might tend to show Israel in a favorable light. Your knee jerk and predictable reactions rob you/clown of any credibility whatsoever.

You/clown are truly pathetic. Go back to defending the Lebanese army.
Too bad you only have insults, not arguments.
The Caplan piece was not favourable to Palestinian's either, just a more realistic view of the chances of this peace process.
Guess you didn't read it.

I posted this because it seems that there are issues you cannot debate publicy any more, and Israeli/Palestinian issues is a big one.
Similar to the stink raised because of the gays against apartheid/pride debate.
 

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Harper is a moron and a cold hearted one at that.
Who the fuck shakes their kids hand like a business person would do on their kids first day at school?
Or giving his daughter a one arm hug? wtf
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...08_harper_080930/20080930?s_name=election2008

Photo op or trying not to show emotion?... he turned out looking like a fucking idiot.
That to me made me realize how fucked we were for voting him in.
But it was more a vote against the liberals than it was a vote for Harper.
 

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Harper is a moron and a cold hearted one at that.
Who the fuck shakes their kids hand like a business person would do on their kids first day at school?
Or giving his daughter a one arm hug? .
Oh for the love of Mike, talk about being fixated on the details.
 

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Na, it's very telling about the kind of douchebag he is.
You don't understand, you don't think for yourself, you're a Faux News devotee, that's why. :p
 

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Harper is a moron and a cold hearted one at that.
Who the fuck shakes their kids hand like a business person would do on their kids first day at school?
Or giving his daughter a one arm hug? wtf
http://www.ctv.ca/servlet/ArticleNe...08_harper_080930/20080930?s_name=election2008

Photo op or trying not to show emotion?... he turned out looking like a fucking idiot.
That to me made me realize how fucked we were for voting him in.
But it was more a vote against the liberals than it was a vote for Harper.
Just wondering how many 10 year old boys want to be seen hugging the dad at a new school on national tv?

Give it a rest until you can come up with something real
 

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I`ve seen plenty of kids hugging their parents at that age, still do, I did.
He`s a creepy, clueless dude, it`s that plain and simple.
Here`s something real, what are your thoughts on Faux
https://terb.cc/vbulletin/showthrea...-funding.2nd-largest-shareholder-in-newscorp-..

Stupid or evil?
You are entitled to your opinion and it is worth what we paid for it.

AS far as the Islamic center at ground zero. Anybody has the right to build anything that conforms to building code. The real question is should it have been built, is it a provocation or an attempt at healing?

There would be a lot less argueing if they had gotten together with a Christian church and colocated a worship center but that is putting far more faith in the inteligence of the manipulators of religion than I think they actually have.
 

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Then it's safe to say that your opinion has the same value as mine. ;)
The community centre was there well before 9/11 so I also understand their point of view, they're simply expanding it.

But let's leave it at this, Harper is a douchebag, but the other viable options aren't exactly all that great either.
Canada is fucked.
I'm also very disappointed that Harper is allowing the Tamil rejects to land onto our soil and fully abuse our system.
I admire Australia for how they handled it all. Ya, I went off on a tangent as well. =)
 

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Too bad you only have insults, not arguments.
The Caplan piece was not favourable to Palestinian's either, just a more realistic view of the chances of this peace process.
Guess you didn't read it.

I posted this because it seems that there are issues you cannot debate publicy any more, and Israeli/Palestinian issues is a big one.
Similar to the stink raised because of the gays against apartheid/pride debate.
LOL. It is only "more realistic" because it is consistent with your viewpoint. The article was a political piece by an NDP stalwart and the portions you selected were critical only of Israel and the Conservatives support for Israel.

I am quite happy to debate policy, however, it is difficult when you/clown simply repeat Hamas talking points and your reaction to everything is simply the knee-jerk Hamas response. try thinking independently once in a while and admitting that sometimes Palestinians and Arabs can be wrong as sometimes Israelis can.

You/clown truly are pathetic.
 

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LOL. It is only "more realistic" because it is consistent with your viewpoint. The article was a political piece by an NDP stalwart and the portions you selected were critical only of Israel and the Conservatives support for Israel.

I am quite happy to debate policy, however, it is difficult when you/clown simply repeat Hamas talking points and your reaction to everything is simply the knee-jerk Hamas response. try thinking independently once in a while and admitting that sometimes Palestinians and Arabs can be wrong as sometimes Israelis can.

You/clown truly are pathetic.
I like, while telling me to think for myself, you keep using Fuji's old insults.
Now that's thinking for yourself.

I still say the Caplan piece was much more nuanced and captured a clearer take of the peace process.
Heck, its not started and now it looks like it may never be, with Netanyahu starting to add demands and threatening to steal more land through settlements while talking peace. And just for fun, I bet you can't even name 3 Hamas talking points.

Lets remember that Netanyahu is on video bragging to settlers who he stopped the Oslo accord himself.

There's no way they'll negotiate a two state solution anymore. Its one state all the way now.
 
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