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By Mary A. Fischer


(OPRAH.COM) -- Lately, a new kind of sisterly love seems to be in the air. In the past few years, Sex and the City's Cynthia Nixon left a boyfriend after a decade and a half and started dating a woman (and talked openly about it).

Actress Lindsay Lohan and DJ Samantha Ronson flaunted their relationship from New York to Dubai. Katy Perry's song "I Kissed a Girl" topped the charts. "The L Word," "Work Out," and "Top Chef" are featuring gay women on TV, and there's even talk of a lesbian reality show in the works.

Certainly nothing is new about women having sex with women, but we've arrived at a moment in the popular culture when it all suddenly seems almost fashionable -- or at least, acceptable.

Statistics on how many women have traded boyfriends and husbands for girlfriends are hard to come by. Although the U.S. Census Bureau keeps track of married, divorced, single, and even same-sex partners living together, it doesn't look for the stories behind those numbers.

But experts like Binnie Klein, a Connecticut-based psychotherapist and lecturer in Yale's department of psychiatry, agree that alternative relationships are on the rise.

"It's clear that a change in sexual orientation is imaginable to more people than ever before, and there's more opportunity -- and acceptance -- to cross over the line," says Klein, noting that a half-dozen of her married female patients in the past few years have fallen in love with women. "Most are afraid that if they don't go for it, they'll end up with regrets."

Feminist philosopher Susan Bordo, Ph.D, a professor of English and gender and women's studies at the University of Kentucky and author of "Unbearable Weight: Feminism, Western Culture, and the Body," also agrees that in the current environment, more women may be stepping out of the conventional gender box.

"So it makes sense that we would see women, for all sorts of reasons, walking through that door now that the culture has cracked it open. Of course, we shouldn't imagine that we're living in a world where all sexual choices are possible. Just look at the cast of 'The L Word' and it's clear that only a certain kind of lesbian -- slim and elegant or butch in just the right androgynous way -- is acceptable to mainstream culture."

That said, of the recent high-profile cases, it's Cynthia Nixon's down-to-earth attitude that may have blazed a trail for many women. In 1998, when "Sex and the City" debuted on HBO, she was settled in a long-term relationship with Danny Mozes, an English professor, with whom she had two children.

They hadn't gotten married: "I was wary of it and felt like it was potentially a trap, so I steered clear of it," Nixon said in an interview with London's Daily Mirror.

In 2004, after ending her 15-year relationship with Mozes, Nixon began seeing Christine Marinoni, at the time a public school advocate whom she'd met while working on a campaign to reduce class sizes in New York City. Marinoni was a great support when the actress was diagnosed with breast cancer.

Far from hiding the relationship, Nixon has spoken freely in TV and newspaper interviews about it not being a big deal.

"I have been with men all my life and had never met a woman I had fallen in love with before," she told the Daily Mirror. "But when I did, it didn't seem so strange. It didn't change who I am. I'm just a woman who fell in love with a woman." Oprah.com: Cynthia Nixon's new life

Over the past several decades, scientists have struggled in fits and starts to get a handle on sexual orientation. Born or bred? Can it change during one's lifetime?

A handful of studies in the 1990s, most of them focused on men, suggested that homosexuality is hardwired. In one study, researchers linked DNA markers in the Xq28 region of the X chromosome to gay males. But a subsequent larger study failed to replicate the results, leaving the American Academy of Pediatrics and the American Psychological Association to speculate that sexual orientation probably has multiple causes, including environmental, cognitive, and biological factors.

Today, however, a new line of research is beginning to approach sexual orientation as much less fixed than previously thought, especially when it comes to women. The idea that human sexuality forms a continuum has been around since 1948, when Alfred Kinsey introduced his famous seven-point scale, with zero representing complete heterosexuality, 6 signifying complete homosexuality, and bisexuality in the middle, where many of the men and women he interviewed fell.

The new buzz phrase coming out of contemporary studies is "sexual fluidity."

"People always ask me if this research means everyone is bisexual. No, it doesn't," says Lisa Diamond, Ph.D, associate professor of psychology and gender studies at the University of Utah and author of the 2008 book "Sexual Fluidity: Understanding Women's Love and Desire."

"Fluidity represents a capacity to respond erotically in unexpected ways due to particular situations or relationships. It doesn't appear to be something a woman can control."

Furthermore, studies indicate that it's more prevalent in women than in men, according to Bonnie Zylbergold, assistant editor of American Sexuality, an online magazine.

In a 2004 landmark study at Northwestern University, the results were eye-opening. During the experiment, the female subjects became sexually aroused when they viewed heterosexual as well as lesbian erotic films. This was true for both gay and straight women.

Among the male subjects, however, the straight men were turned on only by erotic films with women, the gay ones by those with men.

"We found that women's sexual desire is less rigidly directed toward a particular sex, as compared with men's, and it's more changeable over time," says the study's senior researcher, J. Michael Bailey, Ph.D. "These findings likely represent a fundamental difference between men's and women's brains."

This idea, that the libido can wander back and forth between genders, Diamond admits, may be threatening and confusing to those with conventional beliefs about sexual orientation.

But when the women she's interviewed explain their feelings, it doesn't sound so wild. Many of them say, for example, they are attracted to the person, and not the gender -- moved by traits like kindness, intelligence, and humor, which could apply to a man or a woman.

Most of all, they long for an emotional connection. And if that comes by way of a female instead of a male, the thrill may override whatever heterosexual orientation they had. Story from: http://www.cnn.com/2009/LIVING/personal/04/23/o.women.leave.menfor.women/index.html
 

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No surprise here. I said before that 99% of women would rather eat sand than be stuffed with an 8" woody.
 

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I don't blame them. The female form is a beautiful thing. :) What women see in a lot of guys, however, is a complete mystery to me.
 

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Men are known to leave woman for other men so turnabout is fair play . I'm sure it sucks if you are the guy that made her gay :( .
 

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friendz4evr said:
By Mary A. Fischer


(OPRAH.COM) -- experts like Binnie Klein, a Connecticut-based psychotherapist and lecturer in Yale's department of psychiatry, agree that alternative relationships are on the rise.

"It's clear that a change in sexual orientation is imaginable to more people than ever before, and there's more opportunity -- and acceptance -- to cross over the line," says Klein, noting that a half-dozen of her married female patients in the past few years have fallen in love with women. "Most are afraid that if they don't go for it, they'll end up with regrets. . ."

In a 2004 landmark study at Northwestern University, the results were eye-opening. During the experiment, the female subjects became sexually aroused when they viewed heterosexual as well as lesbian erotic films. This was true for both gay and straight women.

Among the male subjects, however, the straight men were turned on only by erotic films with women, the gay ones by those with men.

"We found that women's sexual desire is less rigidly directed toward a particular sex, as compared with men's, and it's more changeable over time," says the study's senior researcher, J. Michael Bailey, Ph.D. "These findings likely represent a fundamental difference between men's and women's brains."
Interesting, but does anyone else notice that after years of - it's hardwired it's not learned and you have to grant us rights, because "it's not a choice" who we are, this article basicly says that at least for women it is a choice.
 

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I hate the way celebrities are used as examples to gauge societal shifts as if the real world has any relation to any of those nutcases.
 

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Dr. Know said:
Except for sex, I prefer the company of men. Men do manly things, like sports, drinking, BBQ'ing, etc. without a lot of DRAMA!
I only hang out with other dudes. I just can't handle the sexual tension that's always there with chicks. They could be really cool or whatever, but all I'll be thinking about is doing them. That's why I believe the only way I could ever be friends with a chick is if we were already having sex. But that doesn't happen, so there's no point in torturing myself.
 

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A bunch of Dr Phyl (lis) type grocery store newspaper psychology.
 

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Aardvark154 said:
Interesting, but does anyone else notice that after years of - it's hardwired it's not learned and you have to grant us rights, because "it's not a choice" who we are, this article basicly says that at least for women it is a choice.
I do think this article is bullshit, making it sound like being gay for women is a new fab or trend. Right, as if gay women didn't existed before Lindsay Lohan.

But in response to your comment: I think that being gay, straight, queer, bisexual, or anything in between is NOT a choice. But for many people, making the choice to be out as gay/queer/bisexual is not an easy choice, and many have chosen and continue to choose to live as 'straight'. So, the choice here is not about your sexuality, but rather about choosing to come out or stay in the closet. Unfortunatly, with homophobia being still rampant in our society, with queer people still facing a lot of discrimination and violence, coming out can have a lot of negative consequences that some people aren't able or willing to deal with.

I always find it utterly sad when I hear about a woman or a man coming out as gay after years of being in a straight marriage. Of course, I'm happy for them that they finally decided to stop living a lie, and found the courage to come out. But it must be devastating for their partner to think that all this time, they were living a lie. But that's what you get from living in a society where homophobia is still wide-spread, and where it is still a very difficult choice for many people to come out as gay.
 

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enduser1 said:
Personally I think the article is BS. There are women who have always preferred relationships with other women over those with men. There are many women who hate sex anyway so an intimate non sexual relationship with another women suits them perfectly.

But those who like sex? Women who are not gay are not going to want to engage in sexual intercourse with a woman any more than a heterosexual man would want to engage in sex with other men.

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You dont talk to enough woman! The article is bang on.

Of course there are women who are "not gay" but few can really know if they are 'hardwired' without a lot of life experience.

While I am sure it is more fluid with women, men too are more mutable then most guys think. Ask experienced SPs about the 'gay' guys they have seen.

Cynthia Nixon is almost quoting David Geffen when Cher dumped him- and he switched.:cool:
 

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"homophobia being still rampant in our society, with queer people still facing a lot of discrimination".

And it will always be so...:)
 

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genintoronto said:
Unfortunatly, with homophobia being still rampant in our society, with queer people still facing a lot of discrimination and violence,
Homos are one of the most protected groups in our society. Anybody who says anything negative or touches a homo is in deep goo.
 
Haven't these boneheads at the universities figured out something a little more simplisic. IT'S MORE ACCEPTED ... so they have no reason to hide it, therefore ... easier to hookup with same sex which helps elevate the amounts.

I have to laugh at some of the filler content they put into the media.
 

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Rockslinger said:
Homos are one of the most protected groups in our society. Anybody who says anything negative or touches a homo is in deep goo.
Yeah right.

It's so great being gay in our society, that an 11 years old boy will commit suicide after being bullied at school by classmates calling him "gay".

It's so great being gay in our society that we use "gay" as an insult and as an unbrella term for anything deemed uncool or lame. It's so great being gay that the worst insult to a man's masculinity is to be called "gay".

And homosexuality is so accepted in our society that none of you feel the need to add "no homo" to your posts which mention another man, lest *gasp* someone may think that you are gay.

And my gay friends who were riding the subway last week-end and got assaulted by some asshole for the crime of riding the subway while gay felt totally protected by all the other passangers who did and said nothing, and didn't at all fear for their lives.
 

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With all due respect, Gen, we have all learned a lesson from the crucifixion of Carrie Prejean. Do not ever say that you are not 100% in favour of gay marriage. There is no room for honest debate on this matter.
 

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LexingtonJeremy said:
What women see in a lot of guys, however, is a complete mystery to me.
Couldn't agree more with that.
 
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