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Why doesn't Pierre become friends with Doug Ford??

mitchell76

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IMHO, Pierre is making a dumb mistake by not even congratulating Doug on his latest election win. Instead Dougieeee is now cozying up to Carney. Similar to how Doug was phone buddies with Freeland during the pandemic. Here's a good Toronto Star article describing Dougiesss breakfast meeting with Carney in Etobicoke on March 12th. The more I think about things, the more I think that Carney will win the election. IMHO, Pierre's advisors are just plain dumb, and out of touch!!


Opinion | This is why Doug Ford is so buddy-buddy with Mark Carney. Where does that leave Pierre Poilievre?
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Premier Doug Ford, left, and federal Liberal Leader Mark Carney meet at Wally’s Grill in Etobicoke on March 12, 2025.
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By Martin Regg CohnPolitical Columnist
Martin Regg Cohn is a Toronto-based columnist focusing on Ontario politics and international affairs for the Star. Follow him on Twitter: @reggcohn.

Power breakfasts aren’t on the menu at Wally’s Grill most days.
The Etobicoke diner does scrambled eggs for everyday folks. It rarely unscrambles big problems for big politicians.
So when Doug Ford sat down this week with Mark Carney, he set the table for an unlikely alliance: Canada’s most powerful Tory and the country’s most powerful Liberal getting together to start a new day.
Ontario’s three-term premier invited Canada’s zero-term prime minister (just ahead of Friday’s swearing-in and the coming election campaign) for a face-to-face and heart-to-heart. Now they are shoulder to shoulder.

The photo-op — snapped by Ford’s official photographer and helpfully distributed to the media for publication — tells the story of an old pol and his new pal comparing notes. But there’s something wrong with this picture that raises an awkward question:
Guess who’s not coming to breakfast — not anytime soon?
Answer: Pierre Poilievre — the man who would be prime minister, leader of the Conservative Party of Canada.
Missing from the photo and missing in action. Never invited to see and be seen (or photographed) with Ford, whether at Wally’s or anywhere else.
Not for breakfast, lunch or dinner. Not even coffee.
By contrast, Carney joins the club of Liberals who are part of Ford’s circle of erstwhile adversaries who are now earnest advisers. That collection of cabinet ministers and prime ministers includes Dominic LeBlanc, Chrystia Freeland, François-Philippe Champagne, Justin Trudeau and now Carney.
They are trusted phone pals of the premier, discussing consequential matters of state and confidential questions of political stagecraft. Of course, Ford’s phone circle is far from exclusive, given that he shares his mobile number publicly and has taken tens of thousands of calls since becoming premier in 2018.
He’ll take a call from just about anyone. Just not yet Poilievre — who didn’t even bother to congratulate Ford’s Tories on last month’s election triumph.


What’s keeping them apart? After all, they are fellow travellers and forever Tories, equal parts populist and anti-elitist.
By rights, these two right-wingers should be soul mates. Yet they are on entirely different wavelengths.
Ford has evolved into a people-pleasing populist who craves popularity, which means expanding Ontario’s Tory base into a broader pool of voters. The premier thinks of his provincial Progressive Conservatives and the federal Liberals through the frame of a Venn diagram with converging areas of support.
He understands that his supporters also voted for Trudeau and may now for Carney, so he watches his words and eyes their images. After all, Ford’s own riding of Etobicoke North is one of the safest federal seats in Ontario.
Carney came to kiss the ring at Wally’s because he, too, understands the virtue of Venn diagrams. Poilievre doesn’t do rings, or Wally’s or Venn diagrams.
Poilievre is a disruptive populist who pokes and prods. He has embraced anti-elitism with a vengeance, hence his venomous attacks on Carney as he tries to cut the former central banker’s formidable CV down to size.


Canada is famous for its tall poppy syndrome — where people lop off those who rise above the rest. He plans to decapitate Carney.
Ford takes a different tack. The premier never completed college, but his three majority election victories suggest he knows a thing or two about political science.
He once disparaged the elites but now takes advice from them. All that changed after the pandemic changed him, because as COVID peaked, Ford was on the phone regularly with top scientists and hospital CEOS.
Ever since, he has taken advice from the smartest civil servants and political operatives. Now, as the economy tanks, the premier talks all the time with some of the savviest corporate CEOs – many of whom Poilievre disdains and distances himself from.
Perhaps that’s why Ford views only Carney’s good side, while Poilievre sees only his dark side.
After breakfast together, Ford’s verdict was unlike anything you’d ever hear the federal Conservative leader say:


“I can tell you one thing, Mark Carney (has an) extremely astute business mind — he understands numbers,” Ford mused.
Ford observed that U.S. President Donald Trump kept mocking Trudeau as prime minister, but might now turn the page with Carney because of the very resume that Poilievre belittles:
“I think they’re going to get along very well — they both come from the same financial sectors,” the premier said pointedly to reporters.
Ford has never paid Poilievre a similar compliment, possibly because the federal opposition leader has no business experience (as Ford does) before becoming a career politician. Tellingly, shortly after tutoring the federal Liberal leader in retail politics and praising his smarts, Ford took a vow of silence for the coming campaign.
Enough said. Point made.
 

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IMO Ford is more a Liberal than a Conservative. I came to that opinion as we got deeper and deeper in the pandemic. Ford seems to have made an alliance with the federal Libs. A you scratch my back I'll scratch yours type deal.

This breakfast was a staged photo op for Ford endorsing Carney to keep his alliance going IMO. If you look at the very bottom paragraph of the story he is endorsing Carney.
 

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It seems Ford has been weary of Pee Pee for some time. He's concerned funding to provinces will be reduced if the Cons win. He was also anxious to have the provincial election well ahead of the federal election so people wouldn't automatically associate him with Pee Pee's policies and behaviour,
 
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mitchell76

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You would think that Pierre would want Doug to be apart of his campaign, because Doug is not only popular, but he's a conservative, just like Pierre is!!
 
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Exactly. Pierre has no authority to give any province money.
If Pierre wins I'm sure Ford will buddy up to him the same way Ford buddied up to Trudeau.
Yes, but Pierre should be buddying up to Ford, right now!! Before the federal election!!

Why is Doug going out for lunch with Carney, and not Pierre??
 
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You would think that Pierre would want Doug to be apart of his campaign, because Doug is not only popular, but he's a conservative, just like Pierre is!!
I think it's the other way around. Pierre is a fiscal conservative. Ford isn't, that's why he'd rather Liberals be in Ottawa because they throw cash around like it's going out of style- Poilevres PCs won't.

Doug Ford may be popular in Ontario but he's becoming less and less so with Albertans the base of Pierres supporters.
 
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danmand

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Doud does not want to attach himself to a loser.
 

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Ford, despite his lack of intelligence, is a regular guy with traditional conservative economic views. PP is a populist more aligned with the evangelical Christian identity types.
 

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I wonder if Pee Pee sees Druggie as someone who is after his job, and doesn't trust him.
He will be in his sixties at the end of his third term. The next federal govt will probably be in for two as well.

He isn't looking up.
 

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I think it's the other way around. Pierre is a fiscal conservative. Ford isn't, that's why he'd rather Liberals be in Ottawa because they throw cash around like it's going out of style- Poilevres PCs won't.

Doug Ford may be popular in Ontario but he's becoming less and less so with Albertans the base of Pierres supporters.
He is a Bill Davis Conservative
 
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