Why can't we all just get along?

[Chivas Regal]

I am slightly amused/dismayed by comments made by some of the members of the board.

Just wondering, if Canada really is such a terrorists haven, why would you want to be here? I mean if it pisses you off so much why stay here. I know that the only way we can show our discontent in Canada is with the vote, however, in the wonderful world of the US of A you can simply walk up to the Preident and shoot him!

Is this what appeals to Canadian bashers? I certainly would not like having to look over my shoulder ever 5 minutes worrying about gun control, or lack thereof.

Although the 2 countries are linked philosophically, the comparison ends with the Melting Pot. We are blessed with the fact that we can travel the world in our back yard. No one in Canada is forced to give up their beliefs. I have no problem with someone that states they are - insert country of origin hereCanadian. It adds to our appeal to the outside world. In America you are an American first and foremost. Nuff said.

Essentially we really are no different from each other, but if you really hate living here, why stay? The American that was peeved at his country joined the Taliban to protest his country, would you do the same? I doubt it.

Just my weekly rant, now go ahead and flame away.

Chivas

 

[niplust]

Just wondering, if Canada really is such a terrorists haven, why would you want to be here?

Essentially we really are no different from each other, but if you really hate living here, why stay?

Chivas

My fine blended friend:

You have missed the point. Canada is a wonderful place. I grew up here in the 50's and early 60's when Ontario was a monolithic WASP bastion. In the 50's if you saw someone with a turban on Yonge St. it was a magician on the way to a kid's party. It was a white bread society and it was not fun to be here in those days if you were not a member of the Orange Order.

Fast forward:

Today's multicultural Canada is a wonderful place. I welcome the variety of cultures and points of view that have come here. I do not think there is another major city of Toronto's size anywhere in the developed world where 50% of the population was born in another country and those countries of origin literally span the world.

The probelm is that some of these people bring their old wars and hostilities to Canada and use our coutnry as a base of operations for spreading hatred, and terror around the world. What really bugs me is our government condones much of this and in some cases will give you a tax receipt for contributing to the terrorists (read Hezbollah). Without the proding of the Americans, Chretien is reluctant to act against groups that are using Canada as a base of terrorist funding and military materials purchase.

This damages Canada's credibility, brings instability and hurts our relations with our allies on whom we depend heavily. Why do you think the US is now imposing heavy restrictions on travel from Canada?

This is not a rant - just the facts.


Cheers

 

[Chivas Regal]

Re: Re: Why can't we all just get along?

My fine blended friend:

The probelm is that some of these people bring their old wars and hostilities to Canada and use our coutnry as a base of operations for spreading hatred and terror around the world. What really bugs me is our government condones much of this and without the proding of the US is reluctant to act against groups that are using Canada as a base of terrorist funding and military materials purchase.

This damages Canada, brings instability and hurts our relations with our allies on whom we depend heavily. This is not a rant - just the facts.
Cheers

And just when did Canada get the Exclusive Rights to Old Wars???

Are there no ethnically diverse beings in the US? Do you think that ALL Muslims in Canada and the US are terrorists, or just the ones in Canada?

Help me understand. I don't know where you got the facts regarding Canada condoning terrorists based activities unless of course you are directly involved in said activities?

You also mention that we rely heavily on our Allies. Are we to assume that, in your opinion, we should be a puppet, with respect to our relationship with that country- the US?

To summize then in your words, because SOME of the immigrants in Canada fled prosecution to live in freedom in Canada, away from their worn torn countries, we are to assume that these people came here to spread their Old Wars here?

Oh yeah, one more thing. Did the Orange Men and Women not come here to Rage about the injustices they were subjected to? Speaking of old wars and such.

You fine blended friend,

Chivas Regal

 

[niplust]

Clarity please!

Mr. Regal:

Following the onsaught of rhetorical quesitons, I am still wondering, what is your point?

Would you be so kind as to distill it down to a few ounces of fine logic?

Cheers

 

[TheNiteHwk]

I Love Canada... am a proud happy Canadian.

Don't have enough time to answer fully right now.

So let me say just this much...

I LOVE CANADA! I am part native Indian. (my father was a Metis) I am more then happy to live here. I enjoy very much our diverse culture mix. I don't want to leave. That is in fact though to tell the truth I have thought about others who come from where ever when they start complaining about living in the most free country in the world... If you don't like here... why don't you go back where you came from. Again while some may say sounds racist... I am not. I say the same thing to people who consistantly complain about their place of employment... If you don't like your job... find another one. I agree that immigration has in fact saved our butts so to speak. I could go on... like I said no time today. (it's deadline day) My main point I guess I was trying to make is simply that maybe we need to take a look where we are a little too free. A little to lienient. And again I could say more and most likely will later.

As far as where do I get these ideas etc... I have lived the 'underground' life. I have been toe to toe and nose to nose with criminals of all ilks and culture backgrounds you don't want to know. In fact you are talking to a person who is barred from enrty to the US because I have a record. Last time I tried to cross I was very lucky not to be arrested for attempted illegal entry. After leaving a little shaken and upset... the next day you know what I thought? I thought hey infact I wish Canadian Customs was half as stringent in who they let across the boarder into Canada.

 

[niplust]

Re: I Love Canada... am a proud happy Canadian.

I wish Canadian Customs was half as stringent in who they let across the boarder into Canada.

Complete agreement here.

Cheers

 

[Quest4Less]

Boarder cops...

It's Immigration that let people in. Customs just taxes their booze and smokes.....

 

[TheNiteHwk]

Cops are cops... lol.

It's Immigration that let people in. Customs just taxes their booze and smokes.....

LOL. Thanks.

Cops are cops to me. LOL.

 

[sorely]

Re: Re: Why can't we all just get along?

The probelm is that some of these people bring their old wars and hostilities to Canada and use our coutnry as a base of operations
Cheers [/QUOTE

What the hell do you think the French, Spanish and English(amonst others) did in the New World 250-400 years ago.

It's a genetic trait of the human race. Unlike other animals, humans have an excess of the a**hole gene. It's a proven fact.

Just open your eyes. It ain't only the Yanks. They happen to have a large population with extensive wealth and power, and, consequently, their a**holeness is a little more obvious and pervasive.

So there !!!

 

[Chivas Regal]

Re: Re: Re: Why can't we all just get along?

What the hell do you think the French, Spanish and English(amonst others) did in the New World 250-400 years ago.

It's a genetic trait of the human race. Unlike other animals, humans have an excess of the a**hole gene. It's a proven fact.

So there !!! [/B]

Very succinct sorely! It seems that we agree that Canada is indeed a wonderful country to live in. As is the USA.

Of interest, last nights newscast on CBC has reported that the problem with the recent increase in the shooting deaths in TO can be directly attributed to the guns arriving illegally across the border from the US. I guess our custom's boys and girls are only really interested in the booze and smokes! Thanks to Quest4Less for that tidbit.

Is this a retort from Canada trying to blame the States for our street wars, due to there accusations of terrorists crossing from Canada? Hardly seems worth comparing, does it? I mean really, if street gangs want to kill each other they are going to do it regardless of who are neighbour is. This whole tit for tat stuff between Canada and the US is very childlike.

Chivas

 

[*d*]

Re: Re: Why can't we all just get along?

This is not a rant - just the facts.

Cheers

niplust
Your post has very few facts, except the part about Canada being a wonderful place. The rest is hearsay -alarmist theory. As I stated in another thread, Canada and the US have agreed to stop the passing back and forth of refugees over their border. Before this agreement in Dec/01, 60% of Canada's refugees arrived here via the US. That has stopped and overall refugee claims in Canada are now down 35%. Plus we now have a strict 30 point Smart Border Accord with common guidelines between the two countries on how to screen refugees. Is Canada a hub for terrorists? I think not.

d

 

[Average Joe]

Some of the 9/11 terrorists did come through Canada but it was U.S. immigration that let them in not Canadian immigration.

These people lived openly in the U.S. for years. They were taught how to fly by U.S. flight instructors. They passed through U.S. security to get on the planes that they then crashed into the World Trade Center.

The U.S. immigration department even issued visas to some of the 9/11 terrorists shortly after 9/11.

I guess we can only hope to live up to U.S. standards.

If the U.S. government wants to blame anyone, here's a crazy idea, BLAME THE TERRORISTS.

Now, I'm not saying we don't have problems. If we do indeed have terrorists operating out of Canada then I hope the authorities do everything to find them and put them away but calling us a terrorist haven I think is a bit of an exaggeration. We are no more or less of a terrorist haven then any other country is. Including the U.S.

What I really object to is the loud-mouthed, opportunistic U.S. politicians who are exploiting the situation and blaming Canada in order to score points with the voters.