Those who support filing an Appeal to the Supreme Court of Canada challenging King Harper's new draconian and oppressive Nordic Model law forcing lonely men to continue being lonely, endangering women and dictating to all Canadian men what they can and cannot do with their own noodles, line up your support here
Who will be the first to file an Appeal to the SCC challenging Harper's Nordic Law?
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The thing is, Harper has a majority government and can do as he pleases. We all know the Nordic model is unjust, and will not pass muster in a new constitutional challenge, and so do the Conservatives. Herein lies the rub... Any law which Parliament crafts to replace the old laws governing prostitution in this country does not have to gain approval by the SCC before being implemented. As ironic as it is, the SCC's decision will be rendered moot until such time that another challenge is brought forth, which may take years. Long story short, we will be stuck with whatever the government hands us for a very long time.
Or as is sometimes the case someone who feels very strongly about the issue and volunteers to be a test case.
There will hopefully be a clause in the new law whereas clients would only be prosecuted if it was proven that the girl was being exploited or the girl was vulnerable and being forced to work against her will, that's why I like the systems used in Edmonton and Toronto where the girls in massage parlours are licensed, that way the police know who's working where and everything, at least in massage parlours, is under control, for the most part, at least with the inside girls being licensed there's some level of regulation.
Also keep in mind that the administration of federal laws is left to the individual provinces which in turn influence the workings of the police departments within their province, so how any new Nordic law would be enforced by any city police force could vary across Canada from city to city.
For example in Vancouver the police have a hands off approach to this matter and will only clamp down when there is evidence a girl is being exploited or is in danger, why would anyone have a problem with that approach?
And in Edmonton the police there are already employing a Nordic type of enforcement, even before any new federal law has been passed, going after guys who exploit girls, and last I checked all the massage parlours in Edmonton are still open for business.
Also keep in mind that the administration of federal laws is left to the individual provinces which in turn influence the workings of the police departments within their province, so how any new Nordic law would be enforced by any city police force could vary across Canada from city to city.
For example in Vancouver the police have a hands off approach to this matter and will only clamp down when there is evidence a girl is being exploited or is in danger, why would anyone have a problem with that approach?
And in Edmonton the police there are already employing a Nordic type of enforcement, even before any new federal law has been passed, going after guys who exploit girls, and last I checked all the massage parlours in Edmonton are still open for business.
Yes, and it's also the number one reason why it was so idiotic to challenge the laws during Conservative rule. Or, as another poster aptly put it, "to go ahead and poke the bear, especially since the bear was sleeping".
Does anyone have any info / ideas on how the new laws may be enforced on the east coast?
Finland[edit]
Prostitution itself is legal in Finland (soliciting in a public place is illegal) but organized prostitution (operating a brothel or a prostitution ring and other forms of pimping) is illegal.[35] In June 2006, parliament voted by 158 to 15 with four abstentions to approve a bill which outlaws the buying of sexual services from prostitutes if it is linked to human trafficking.[36]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Europe#Finland
Prostitution itself is legal in Finland (soliciting in a public place is illegal) but organized prostitution (operating a brothel or a prostitution ring and other forms of pimping) is illegal.[35] In June 2006, parliament voted by 158 to 15 with four abstentions to approve a bill which outlaws the buying of sexual services from prostitutes if it is linked to human trafficking.[36]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prostitution_in_Europe#Finland
So far, this whole thing has been like a bad nightmare which I keep trying to wake up from...:Eek:
so better stay away from Asian rubs, who just don't know if the girls inside the parlour are underaged, trafficked.
But yes I do agree if a Nordic type law is passed, even with some amendments, there may be some confusion about it among guys and business will definitely drop, so will prices
But yes I do agree if a Nordic type law is passed, even with some amendments, there may be some confusion about it among guys and business will definitely drop, so will prices
Is there any hope at all? Are we all going to be branded as criminals soon for wanting to satisfy a human need? Is this really happening? I am having trouble sleeping. I can't function It's not just about getting laid. I feel like it's becoming a crime just to be a man. This is not the Canada I thought I knew. Is it really that hopeless? I feel like I am living a nightmare.
I know this may sound a bit over dramatic but this is how I feel. I don't know what to do. I've already submitted my answers for the online survey. I don't know what good it will do though...
I know this may sound a bit over dramatic but this is how I feel. I don't know what to do. I've already submitted my answers for the online survey. I don't know what good it will do though...
I think we are all getting a bit emotional. If Nordic laws are put in effect. Well..... I guess that means the feminists win... I don't want Canada turning into a utopia for radical feminists. This is sort of thing is really getting to me. My way of life is being attacked. Sex is a biological human need and well... I don't know.. I am just coming on here to vent and share my feelings with others who feel the same way. It's not easy for a lot of us to just go out and meet someone. Seeing Sps has helped improve my life. I am not an addict by any means but it did help me a lot. If these laws are put in effect I hope there are some support groups or something to help johns cope. A lot of us will have to change our ways of life. For a lot of men there only means of getting sex at all is through Sps.
I don't think that a Nordic model would last very long in Canada. If selling sex is legal, and buying sex illegal, then the seller is counselling the buyer into committing a criminal offense by advertising or making an advance. That in itself is a criminal offense under section 464 of the Criminal Code:
"464. Except where otherwise expressly provided by law, the following provisions apply in respect of persons who counsel other persons to commit offences, namely,
(a) every one who counsels another person to commit an indictable offence is, if the offence is not committed, guilty of an indictable offence and liable to the same punishment to which a person who attempts to commit that offence is liable; and
(b) every one who counsels another person to commit an offence punishable on summary conviction is, if the offence is not committed, guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction."
That means a street walker who approaches an individual and offers sex in return for money would be committing an offense for encouraging that person to break the law: buying sex. The same argument could be made for internet advertising. Under present law, that wouldn't apply since sex for money is not illegal.
"464. Except where otherwise expressly provided by law, the following provisions apply in respect of persons who counsel other persons to commit offences, namely,
(a) every one who counsels another person to commit an indictable offence is, if the offence is not committed, guilty of an indictable offence and liable to the same punishment to which a person who attempts to commit that offence is liable; and
(b) every one who counsels another person to commit an offence punishable on summary conviction is, if the offence is not committed, guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction."
That means a street walker who approaches an individual and offers sex in return for money would be committing an offense for encouraging that person to break the law: buying sex. The same argument could be made for internet advertising. Under present law, that wouldn't apply since sex for money is not illegal.
Mckay hasn't really said what the new legislation will be but it doesn't look good. It will probably be some variation of the Nordic model How long does it take for a bill to pass? I'm not sure how it all works? What are some things that could stop this law from being passed? or Delay it or just be a road block for it? I just want to know how dire things are. Even in Swedan when the law was put for consultation everyone said it would be impossible to implement and Sweden didn't care they want along and did it anyway. Will we have a similar situation here? Will Canada become just like Sweden? I have to find a way to cope with this.
Any Bill the government proposes has to go through several steps. 3 steps including committee hearings and passage of each reading in the H of C. It also has to go through the Senate.
Sweden was in the grips of radical feminist politicians at the time, hell bent on their version of equality of the sexes. Paradoxically, they took on a paternalistic stance when they failed to consult with prostitutes themselves, and also implying, in the context that men had all the power, women were not able to make objective decisions themsleves. It was also taboo to even question the law after it was passed.
In any case, radical feminists do not vote Conservative. If the Nordic Model is adopted, you will have the paradox of the Conservatives not being rewarded with fiminist voters anyway, and losing a lot of the silent majority because a great many of their voters have indulged in buying sex in the past, but would never dare express their views in public. That amount of lost voters could amount to millions. It would be a reverse case of a party not being able to count. That's what happened with Dion and Iggy, when they declared during their electoral campaigns that they would ban all semi-auto firearms..... pissed off 2 million licensed gun owners, never mind those never licensed and sympathetic friends and families. 2 million is a big chunk of the electorate.
