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http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/08/06/collapse/index.html

Glenn Greenwald
Aug 6, 2010

As we enter our ninth year of the War in Afghanistan with an escalated
force, and continue to occupy Iraq indefinitely, and feed an endlessly
growing Surveillance State, reports are emerging of the Deficit Commission
hard at work planning how to cut Social Security, Medicare, and now even
to freeze military pay. But a new New York Times article today illustrates
as vividly as anything else what a collapsing empire looks like, as it
profiles just a few of the budget cuts which cities around the country
are being forced to make. This is a sampling of what one finds:

"Plenty of businesses and governments furloughed workers this year, but
Hawaii went further -- it furloughed its schoolchildren. Public schools
across the state closed on 17 Fridays during the past school year to
save money, giving students the shortest academic year in the nation. ...

Many transit systems have cut service to make ends meet, but Clayton
County, Ga., a suburb of Atlanta, decided to cut all the way, and shut
down its entire public bus system. Its last buses ran on March 31,
stranding 8,400 daily riders.

Even public safety has not been immune to the budget ax. In Colorado
Springs, the downturn will be remembered, quite literally, as a dark age:
the city switched off a third of its 24,512 streetlights to save money
on electricity, while trimming its police force and auctioning off its
police helicopters."

There are some lovely photos accompanying the article, including one
showing what a darkened street in Colorado looks like as a result of
not being able to afford street lights. Read the article to revel in
the details of this widespread misery. Meanwhile, the tiniest sliver of
the wealthiest -- the ones who caused these problems in the first place
-- continues to thrive. Let's recall what former IMF Chief Economist
Simon Johnson said last year in The Atlantic about what happens in
under-developed and developing countries when an elite-caused financial
crises ensues:

"Squeezing the oligarchs, though, is seldom the strategy of choice among
emerging-market governments. Quite the contrary: at the outset of the
crisis, the oligarchs are usually among the first to get extra help from
the government, such as preferential access to foreign currency, or maybe
a nice tax break, or -- here's a classic Kremlin bailout technique -- the
assumption of private debt obligations by the government. Under duress,
generosity toward old friends takes many innovative forms. Meanwhile,
needing to squeeze someone, most emerging-market governments look first
to ordinary working folk -- at least until the riots grow too large."

The real question is whether the American public is too apathetic and
trained into submission for that to ever happen.

UPDATE: It's probably also worth noting this Wall St. Journal article
from last month -- with a subheadline warning: "Back to Stone Age"
-- which describes how "paved roads, historical emblems of American
achievement, are being torn up across rural America and replaced with
gravel or other rough surfaces as counties struggle with tight budgets
and dwindling state and federal revenue." Utah is seriously considering
eliminating the 12th grade, or making it optional. And it was announced
this week that "Camden [New Jersey] is preparing to permanently shut its
library system by the end of the year, potentially leaving residents
of the impoverished city among the few in the United States unable to
borrow a library book free."

Does anyone doubt that once a society ceases to be able to afford
schools, public transit, paved roads, libraries and street lights --
or once it chooses not to be able to afford those things in pursuit
of imperial priorities and the maintenance of a vast Surveillance and
National Security State -- that a very serious problem has arisen, that
things have gone seriously awry, that imperial collapse, by definition,
is an imminent inevitability? Anyway, I just wanted to leave everyone
with some light and cheerful thoughts as we head into the weekend.
 

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Empires always collapse from the inside.
 

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As the US is doing presently as State after State goes bankrupt

A DIRECT RESULT of too many Millions of jobs lost.
Our Globalists 'promise' of new high paying jobs being created to replace the good US jobs they sent to those commies they pal around with in RED China, were never created!....:rolleyes:
 

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Of course the article is overblown, and of course the US does not have an empire. They are the most powerful nation on earth and they use that to influence, sometimes directly, those situations which are in their national interest. Every other nation on earth does the same, using whatever resources they have at their disposal.

I am always astounded that people think the US is somehow a force of evil in the world. The spread of democracy and the positive influence of America over the past century has raised hundreds of millions of people worldwide out of dire poverty. The US has brought too many technological, medical and social advances to the world to count. The bitter (or clueless) among us can point to all sorts of negative events and say "evil America". They are either simpletons, lonely losers with nothing better to do than whine, or filled with resentment for god know's what reason. Perhaps we need a sticky called "What has the US done for the world." It would be a long list.
 

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Looks like you have been drinking too much Kool Aid CG.

Take a walk on the Southside of Chicago, or Detroit or Miami right now if you dare, then IF you return, run that above poppycock by us again!.....:rolleyes:
 

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Yawn.....
 

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Of course the article is overblown, and of course the US does not have an empire. They are the most powerful nation on earth and they use that to influence, sometimes directly, those situations which are in their national interest. Every other nation on earth does the same, using whatever resources they have at their disposal.

I am always astounded that people think the US is somehow a force of evil in the world. The spread of democracy and the positive influence of America over the past century has raised hundreds of millions of people worldwide out of dire poverty. The US has brought too many technological, medical and social advances to the world to count. The bitter (or clueless) among us can point to all sorts of negative events and say "evil America". They are either simpletons, lonely losers with nothing better to do than whine, or filled with resentment for god know's what reason. Perhaps we need a sticky called "What has the US done for the world." It would be a long list.
Everything you say has truth in it. None of it is relevant to the article.
 

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I am always astounded that people think the US is somehow a force of evil in the world. The spread of democracy and the positive influence of America over the past century has raised hundreds of millions of people worldwide out of dire poverty. The US has brought too many technological, medical and social advances to the world to count.
The US wasn't always a force of evil in the world but there is no doubt in my mind that it is now. I believe that Dwight Eisenhower farewell speech was bang on. It was in that period that the US went in a different direction. Inventing boogie men and wars for the sake of profit and/or corporate interests. The US government has not brought one single technological or medical advance to the world that has only been accomplished by the individual. As far as social advances go... The US has been the source cause of or been involved with almost every single social and political problem in the world since 1960's.

Lets not confuse democracy with capitalism or the US version of capitalism either. Call it what u want but those at the top of the food chain openly admit that it is a "Plutocracy" and that the top 1% of households account for 40% of financial net worth, more than the bottom 95% of households put together.

The bitter (or clueless) among us can point to all sorts of negative events and say "evil America". They are either simpletons, lonely losers with nothing better to do than whine, or filled with resentment for god know's what reason.
Fuckin right im bitter and the reason we can point at "all sorts of negative events" is because there is so many of them! Clueless is not having even a clue from which to infer what is occurring (that would be u). U point ur finger and call names at anyone who questions the system, points out facts and tells the truth, how dare they exercise free speech and express there opinion, this is a democracy damn it... do as ur told!

Perhaps we need a sticky called "What has the US done for the world." It would be a long list.
"What has the US done to the world" might be a lil more appropriate and this we can agree, it would be a very long list.
 

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"What has the US done to the world" might be a lil more appropriate and this we can agree, it would be a very long list.
What Nottyboi said: "Do you really believe that? Do you say that with a straight face? WOW!!!! UNREAL!!!"
 

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Of course the article is overblown, and of course the US does not have an empire. They are the most powerful nation on earth and they use that to influence, sometimes directly, those situations which are in their national interest. Every other nation on earth does the same, using whatever resources they have at their disposal.

I am always astounded that people think the US is somehow a force of evil in the world. The spread of democracy and the positive influence of America over the past century has raised hundreds of millions of people worldwide out of dire poverty. The US has brought too many technological, medical and social advances to the world to count. The bitter (or clueless) among us can point to all sorts of negative events and say "evil America". They are either simpletons, lonely losers with nothing better to do than whine, or filled with resentment for god know's what reason. Perhaps we need a sticky called "What has the US done for the world." It would be a long list.
CapitalGuy, that indeed says all that needs to be said!
 

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What Nottyboi said: "Do you really believe that? Do you say that with a straight face? WOW!!!! UNREAL!!!"
I would debate and/or argue my point with u AGAIN, but the problem is u only offer opinion and now u cant even come up with ur own material.
 

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CapitalGuy, that indeed says all that needs to be said!
Yeah a country that started with genocide has really been a force for good.lol That said I do believe that most Americans are good, but I believe that the US does get hijacked by evil forces with hidden agendas fairly often. The US has also inflicted poverty on many millions by supporting kleptocracies and starting many wars. So I would say the record is at best "mixed"
 

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Yeah a country that started with genocide has really been a force for good.
Ok, having ancestors on both sides of the fence I'll bite - what genocide? Or are you merely talking about European Settlement of North America in general?
 

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Whenever their is evil in the world everyone looks to the US to solve the problem. When they try, and sometimes fail, they are accused of evil. While there is no doubt that the US has done things which turned out badly and that they have from time to time inadvertently made things worse their motivation has usually been the safety and security of the US and its allies.

The US is the greatest country on earth and notwithstanding the position of its economy I expect that it will continue to be so for many years to come,

We in Canada should be glad and relived that such is the case.
 

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The US went wrong when they took it upon themselves after WWII to be the guarantors of stability in the world. Now they're spending $700 Billion on an out-of-control MIC, trampling on peoples' fundamental rights, and giving away trading concessions in exchange for military considerations in all parts of the world. The tall foreheads judge all these trade-offs as worthy, but I wonder sometimes if they know what the hell they're doing.
 

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Ok, having ancestors on both sides of the fence I'll bite - what genocide? Or are you merely talking about European Settlement of North America in general?
yes the way America was setteled is what we now call genocide...
 

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Whenever their is evil in the world everyone looks to the US to solve the problem. When they try, and sometimes fail, they are accused of evil. While there is no doubt that the US has done things which turned out badly and that they have from time to time inadvertently made things worse their motivation has usually been the safety and security of the US and its allies.

The US is the greatest country on earth and notwithstanding the position of its economy I expect that it will continue to be so for many years to come,

We in Canada should be glad and relived that such is the case.
No the US does what is in THEIR interests. Good or evil is not in the equation. As far as Canada goes, our interests are very closely aligned with US interests. So most of what they do also benefits us.
 

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yes the way America was setteled is what we now call genocide...
Ah, so really European Settlement of North America in general, and at that painting more with a "power painter' than a fine brush.

Further, it is all interrelated, since if there had hordes of hostile members of the Huron Confederacy and Wyandot still present in the 1790's I rather doubt the settlement of Southern Ontario would have been possible.
 
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