It just dawned on me this morning that ever since they changed the TTC passes to be transferable. (In other words you don't need a photo card any more) I have not seen these guys checking people's passes when you enter the subway to see if it is valid. I use to see them at least 3 or 4 times a week in the afternoon rush hour and sometimes in the morning as well. What they were doing is just standing inside the entry and as you came in they would ask to see your pass and make sure the # on your pic matches with your pass. Come to think of it I have not seen any of them anywhere ever since they changed the passes and pic is no longer required. I guess Timmies is doing well.
What are the TTC Wanna Be Cops going to do now?
- Thread starter TheNiteHwk
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Ttc/le
Nice job they have. I wonder where I can pick up an application form.
Funny you should say that. I just saw a couple of unifomed "TTC/LE" enjoying a cup of coffee & doughnuts at the Timmies on Yonge and Bloor. When asked by a Timmies staffer if they had power to arrest someone committing a crime outside TTC property their answer was "YES".TheNiteHwk said:
Nice job they have. I wonder where I can pick up an application form.
Fred Zed said:
Hey Fred... You know my new office is just around the corner from there eh? Next time you’re in the hood... I like my tea double/double and a carrot muffin.
What really gets me about these guys is that I thought the purpose of hiring them was to help curve crime in the subways and on surface routes. Stuff like assaults, vandalism, robberies etc. But the only thing I ever see them doing is trying to catch people who are trying to sneak into subway stations or catch people on streetcars with expired transfers.
TheNiteHwk said:
Well first it's expired transfers then the next thing you know those same people are robbing senior citizens and stealing their cat food.
Several surveys say that's how it starts.
Ahhh that's it. I should know better. Of course. Like they taught me when I was a kid. Yah... first it's pot and then before you know it it's LSD, cocain and junk.
Hey... wait a minute.
Hey... wait a minute.
TTC Security
These guys cannot do ANY kind of law inforcement other then powers of arrest that are granted to everyone under the constitution. they have no more power to arrest you as Campas Police at U of T if you are off U of T property.
Even Then they can only detain you until the real police arrive, or give you a trespassing violation and escort you off the property they protect.
These guys cannot do ANY kind of law inforcement other then powers of arrest that are granted to everyone under the constitution. they have no more power to arrest you as Campas Police at U of T if you are off U of T property.
Even Then they can only detain you until the real police arrive, or give you a trespassing violation and escort you off the property they protect.
If I am not mistaken, TTC cops are classified as "special constable" giving them ALOT more authority that UofT/private security.....namely the power to arrest and release.....They deal with shit you don't think of......pick-pockets, groping, exposures and fraud are the biggest problems....fireman2525 said:
Wrong, they can bust your ass if you are on TTC property.fireman2525 said:
And, as an interesting aside, the railway police (CN and CP) have more power than the OPP or Metro since they are governed by the Federal Railway Act.
fireman2525 said:
Don't have to do any resarch. Capt Kirk is right. There are signs all over the subway system with pics of these wannabes saying that they have the same powers as Toronto Police while on TTC property.james t kirk said:
The whole point of my starting this thread was that IMO they really don't deal with this stuff very much. I have never once seen or read anywhere about these guys arresting people for any of the above infractions. They only thing I ever seen them do was check people's passes and transfers. And one time I saw them harassing a homeless panhandler in front of Wellesley subway stn because he was standing 6 inches over the TTC property line by the front doors and asking people for change or tokens. Now I know they have every right to ask this guy to not stand on TTC property and panhandle... but IMO they were being way to over aggressive with this guy and that's when I formed the opinion in my mind they were just freaking wannabes. Last but not least I read in one of those fliers that you see hanging by the back doors of buses and streetcars one time the TTC was praising these guys for their effort in catching so many fare cheaters that they estimate a $million$ worth of cheaters were caught. IMO that was nothing but pure bull... I mean how did they come up with this figure? Also it never mention even one word about how they arrested or caught any body at all committing other crimes like muggings or pick-pockets etc. There was to give them credit where due some mention of catching people vandalizing TTC property.DareU2 said:
Therefore IMO they are mostly only there to protect TTC property and fare cheaters (TTC revenue) and not to protect the riders. IMO their first prioity should be to protect the public (the riders) and not the other way around.
End rant.
I think it's good that there is someone close by in case of an emergency, I don't care if they are just sitting around. I also like them to keep the entrances clear of panhandlers, people already avoid the TTC because of having to deal with nuisances like this.
research complete..... Fireman2525.....maybe you should do the same..
""Transit Special Constables
Uniformed and plainclothes TTC Special Constables are sworn by the Toronto Police Service. Transit Special Constables have the same powers as a Police Officer to enforce the Criminal Code of Canada, the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, the Trespass to Property Act, the Liquor License Act, and section 17 of the Mental Health Act on all TTC properties and vehicles. ""
Special Constables they are. Conterfiet tickets and passes are what costs the million. Here in Brampton, they just caught some guy with 10,000 fake ttc and Brampton transit tickets. You don't read about many of the arrests made as it doesn't help boost ridership. Arrest are made everyday for lots of things.
""Transit Special Constables
Uniformed and plainclothes TTC Special Constables are sworn by the Toronto Police Service. Transit Special Constables have the same powers as a Police Officer to enforce the Criminal Code of Canada, the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act, the Trespass to Property Act, the Liquor License Act, and section 17 of the Mental Health Act on all TTC properties and vehicles. ""
Special Constables they are. Conterfiet tickets and passes are what costs the million. Here in Brampton, they just caught some guy with 10,000 fake ttc and Brampton transit tickets. You don't read about many of the arrests made as it doesn't help boost ridership. Arrest are made everyday for lots of things.
I agree that their presence alone is a deterrent. And that is a good thing.
I also like the fact that there is someone close by in case of an emergency, if indeed they are close by. I don't see them very often riding on the trains mostly only on streetcars checking people's transfers.
I also like the fact that they keep the entrances and stn platforms clear of panhandlers. I am not a big fan of panhandlers. The one time though that I mentioned previously I just thought they were being way to over aggressive with this guy. He was a harmless old rubby dressed in a gray coat that was barely hanging on him by it's threads. They were loudly berating him and creating a big scene that IMO was not necessary at all. Another time a couple weeks earlier I saw them doing the same thing with a young kid (17 or 18) in the stairways going down into College stn. So that's when I formed the opinion that they were just wannabe tuff guys.
Dareu2 you have a good point when you say that you don't read about many of the arrests made, as it doesn't help boost ridership. Just like you don't read about all the people who jump in front of trains because that might encourage others to do the same. At the same time though you do often read about crimes like people getting mugged or assaulted and even murdered in subway stns and I often wonder where to f**k were these guys then. Checking to see if some poor guy who can't afford a Kraft Dinner was riding with an expired transfer?
Maybe I am a little hasty in my judgments... but it still looks to me in my eyes that they are more concerned about fare cheaters then catching the real bad guys. If they have in fact though arrested more bad guys then are reported... then my hat is off to them
I also like the fact that there is someone close by in case of an emergency, if indeed they are close by. I don't see them very often riding on the trains mostly only on streetcars checking people's transfers.
I also like the fact that they keep the entrances and stn platforms clear of panhandlers. I am not a big fan of panhandlers. The one time though that I mentioned previously I just thought they were being way to over aggressive with this guy. He was a harmless old rubby dressed in a gray coat that was barely hanging on him by it's threads. They were loudly berating him and creating a big scene that IMO was not necessary at all. Another time a couple weeks earlier I saw them doing the same thing with a young kid (17 or 18) in the stairways going down into College stn. So that's when I formed the opinion that they were just wannabe tuff guys.
Dareu2 you have a good point when you say that you don't read about many of the arrests made, as it doesn't help boost ridership. Just like you don't read about all the people who jump in front of trains because that might encourage others to do the same. At the same time though you do often read about crimes like people getting mugged or assaulted and even murdered in subway stns and I often wonder where to f**k were these guys then. Checking to see if some poor guy who can't afford a Kraft Dinner was riding with an expired transfer?
Maybe I am a little hasty in my judgments... but it still looks to me in my eyes that they are more concerned about fare cheaters then catching the real bad guys. If they have in fact though arrested more bad guys then are reported... then my hat is off to them
Just to clarify.
Anyone can make a citizens arrest, but only if you see a crime taking place. The TTC wannabees do not have the same powers a real policemen (and women). There is only one sort of real police organization that have the same powere od arrest as the regular police do. The Canadian National Railroad Police are recognized as a real police organization, but in any group there are dregs from the bottom of the barrel.
Anyone can make a citizens arrest, but only if you see a crime taking place. The TTC wannabees do not have the same powers a real policemen (and women). There is only one sort of real police organization that have the same powere od arrest as the regular police do. The Canadian National Railroad Police are recognized as a real police organization, but in any group there are dregs from the bottom of the barrel.
