weed

[Terminator2000]

i like how the canadian government is like, 'weed is perfectly safe and okay for you to smoke, now that we can make money off of it and it doesnt need to be controlled and sold by a doctor anymore"

and anyone selling pot thats not the government cant make money selling pot. only the government is allowed to make money selling pot.

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2017/12/12/ontario-passes-cannabis-act-will-take-effect-july-1-2018.html

 

[Frankfooter]

i like how the canadian government is like, 'weed is perfectly safe and okay for you to smoke, now that we can make money off of it and it doesnt need to be controlled and sold by a doctor anymore"

and anyone selling pot thats not the government cant make money selling pot. only the government is allowed to make money selling pot.

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2017/12/12/ontario-passes-cannabis-act-will-take-effect-july-1-2018.html

I'm kinda ok with this.
At least you'll know what you're smoking for once.
No mystery additives.

 

[Ref]

I'm kinda ok with this.
At least you'll know what you're smoking for once.
No mystery additives.

Funny how you mention this, yet the government sells tobacco which contains a multitude of chemicals and additives. I guess that is okay in your books?

How many mystery additives are in street pot today?

I have not smoked weed in a couple of decades and even when legal it will not be my choice of recreational use. I cannot recall any instances of underground killer weed being in the news.

I still think Justin and the provincial governments have not thought this through. If street weed is $10 a gram, what is the government going to sell it for? If they sell for the same price, then the underground market will reduce their prices because guess what? They have no overhead!

Per the Ontario liberals I wouldn't be surprised if they buy it for $80 a gram and sell it for $10 a gram, similar to how they sold out the taxpayer with their ridiculous clean energy initiative - LOL!

Years later we will find out that the marijuana suppliers are all friends of the liberal government, similar to the wind and solar farm owners.

If there is anything the taxpaying public has learned - The government can and will fuck this up.

 

[whynot888]

I'm kinda ok with this.
At least you'll know what you're smoking for once.
No mystery additives.

I agree. Im sure ive smoked rat poison and windex laced in mine

 

[managee]

I can’t imagine you’ll actually read all of this, but almost everything you wrote here was wrong.

i like how the canadian government is like, 'weed is perfectly safe and okay for you to smoke

So, the Canadian government probably won’t ever say what you say here. They absolutely have not said it so-far.

They know that when you ‘smoke’ there are health risks and they aren’t hiding this. The risks are described at-length in every government report that has been published. These reports also mention that there are many ways to ingest cannabanoids and/or THC without ‘smoking’, which is arguably one of the worst ways to use cannabis, be it for recreational or medical use.

I imagine nobody in this country who can read is in the dark at this point about the stated risks to the user and public that impairment causes, whether operating a vehicle or not.

it doesnt need to be controlled and sold by a doctor anymore"

You actually got the ‘controlled’ part mostly right.

Cannabis was never sold by doctors in this country, unless a doctor was associated with the (very small number of) licensed growers - which I believe would conflict with CMA regulations that attempt to keep practicing physicians at arm’s length of pharmaceutical companies. If a doctor was somehow profitting by prescribing medicinal marijuana, I imagine that would be quite unethical and possibly illegal.

and anyone selling pot thats not the government cant make money selling pot. only the government is allowed to make money selling pot.

No doubt that “the government” stands to gain with this legislation, which was/is 50% of the argument for ‘legalization.’ Unlike for the last 130ish years, where growers, distributors, sellers all operated in the black market, and therefore away from the sticky fingers of the CRA, under the new legislation taxes are collected as they are for most other goods/services in this country.

But if you truly think “anyone selling pot thats not the government cant make money selling pot. only the government is allowed to make money selling pot.” you are wholly naive about this new law, and the Ontario plan around sales.

The total number of growing licenses being issued has of course skyrocketed. Those licensed growers aren’t doing it for free. You can get in on the bonanza if you want, as some of the licensed growers are publicly traded companies.

In-order to facilitate the sales model as recommended by our provincial government, a distribution network is needed to get cannabis from growers into the LCBO. A smart fella I know stands to make big bucks here as well.

Finally in final sales, equivalent to the street-level dealers of yesteryear. The Canadian government be-like ‘we’re letting the provinces decide how to sell it, but here are our recommendations.’ The Ontario government be-like ‘those ideas are whack, because we have the LCBO which could earn even more profits by being the sole retaler.’ In this sense, “yes” your government will make money selling pot, assuming their markup on final sales allows for profits to be earned.

Personally, I was strongly opposed to the Wynn decision to role out a plan that goes against the federal recommendations for a sales model, which would have allowed for private operators to open store fronts like we’ve seen around Toronto for the past few years, but I digress.

But it wasn’t the “Canadian government” that called for this sales model.

In the end, you got a lot of that wrong, of particular note, who is making money selling pot. Remember, not all provinces will follow Ontario’s lead with an LCBO-adjacent retail model.

Growers and distributor networks will absolutely be making money selling pot, which is fueling the so-called ‘green rush’ in Canada.

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/02/cashing-canada-marijuana-green-rush-180213061054784.html

If you’re interested, there are plenty of ways for YOU to make money selling pot.

 

[Conil]

Funny how you mention this, yet the government sells tobacco which contains a multitude of chemicals and additives. I guess that is okay in your books?

How many mystery additives are in street pot today?

I have not smoked weed in a couple of decades and even when legal it will not be my choice of recreational use. I cannot recall any instances of underground killer weed being in the news.

I still think Justin and the provincial governments have not thought this through. If street weed is $10 a gram, what is the government going to sell it for? If they sell for the same price, then the underground market will reduce their prices because guess what? They have no overhead!

Per the Ontario liberals I wouldn't be surprised if they buy it for $80 a gram and sell it for $10 a gram, similar to how they sold out the taxpayer with their ridiculous clean energy initiative - LOL!

Years later we will find out that the marijuana suppliers are all friends of the liberal government, similar to the wind and solar farm owners.

If there is anything the taxpaying public has learned - The government can and will fuck this up.

There can be several additives in weed. Heavy metals, fungi and pesticides.

“There’s a stereotype, a hippy kind of mentality, that leads people to assume that growers are using natural cultivation methods and growing organically,” says Andy LaFrate, founder of Charas Scientific, one of eight Colorado labs certified to test cannabis. “That’s not necessarily the case at all.” LaFrate presented his results this week at a meeting of the American Chemical Society (ACS) in Denver.

Read more:
https://www.smithsonianmag.com/scie...ften-laced-heavy-metals-and-fungus-180954696/

 

[Hermione777]

It was always going to be this way. They were never going to legalize it without capitalizing on it.

 

[managee]

I'm kinda ok with this.
At least you'll know what you're smoking for once.
No mystery additives.

Sadly, I don’t think this will be too different under the new system, except that the products you buy will be safe for injestion. No more “chronic” or whatever.

Along with strain information, you will probably get accurate THC and/or CBD ratings, which will be a game-changer.

But I kind of wonder if growers will be obligated to specify exactly what they used to get the product the way it is. They’ll definitely be required to use additives throughout the growing process that don’t compromise product safety, but it seems very unlikely that growers will release exact details of how they make their product unique, special and better than the competition.

I imagine certified organic growers will want to advertise this. But even the organic growers traditionally use a lot of organic ‘additives’ to make their girl’s perfect, particularly when you’re growing on-mass a product that requires consistency.

 

[Ref]

When they first announced the legalization of marijuana my first thought was how to control the sale of the product. I have more faith in private retailers than I do with the government simply because the government will create a shitload of unnecessary bureaucracy and reward political friends like they have done with the green energy fiasco.

As for controls, I see no reason why the pharmacies could not manage this venture. They currently have control networks in place for prescription drugs, have an abundance of retailers across the province, and will not need to invest in stores, equipment, advertising, and most importantly, overpaid government employees.

 

[managee]

Years later we will find out that the marijuana suppliers are all friends of the liberal government, similar to the wind and solar farm owners.

The names of the former politicians or political dynasty families that I’ve seen as being associated with the green rush aren’t universally Liberal or Conservative.

I don’t want to name names that haven't already been published, but the Stronach family for one is balls deep already in this, as are a number of other Harper-era Conservatives and/or their backers, and well-known PC supporters.

No-doubt there will be friends of the Liberal Party who stand to benefit by legalization, but it’s more to do with their deep pockets than their relationship to the party. At this point, red or blue doesn’t matter. The only colour that anyone cares about is green.

 

[managee]

When they first announced the legalization of marijuana my first thought was how to control the sale of the product. I have more faith in private retailers than I do with the government simply because the government will create a shitload of unnecessary bureaucracy and reward political friends like they have done with the green energy fiasco.

As for controls, I see no reason why the pharmacies could not manage this venture. They currently have control networks in place for prescription drugs, have an abundance of retailers across the province, and will not need to invest in stores, equipment, advertising, and most importantly, overpaid government employees.

I think that’s all true, except the argument against pharmacies is/was that there is already a distribution network that exists for medical marijuana in Canada, which will continue to be in-place after legalization. This network completely bypasses pharmacies.

You may be purchasing pot for ‘medical use,’ under the new system but you’re still a recreational user unless your doctor is prescribing it to you. In this case, you won’t be purchasing pot at all, since you get your medicine in the mail, as you always have.

Mixing ‘recreational’ with ‘medical’ poses ethical problems. Pharmacies don’t sell alcohol, and there is no need for them to sell recreational pot.

 

[SinnamonFairbanks]

i like how the canadian government is like, 'weed is perfectly safe and okay for you to smoke, now that we can make money off of it and it doesnt need to be controlled and sold by a doctor anymore"

and anyone selling pot thats not the government cant make money selling pot. only the government is allowed to make money selling pot.

https://www.thestar.com/news/queenspark/2017/12/12/ontario-passes-cannabis-act-will-take-effect-july-1-2018.html

The whole point was to regulate it and take the profits away from criminals and organized crime. I like buying my pot from dispensaries.

 

[wigglee]

If they allow people to grow a few plants of their own, people will sell it cheap or give pot away, driving the gov't sanctioned dealers' prices down ( and profits). Is Trudeau planning on dedicating thousands of police to busting all the illicit dealers? Better build more jails! What a mess.... just open it up and free the damn weed.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

I am a medical smoker. I enjoy rec use as well.

When I got from the street, I had one dealer. Always got great stuff. Burned nice. I would find others had stuff that was good but the burn was gross.

When I went with my LP - I can not deny the burn is cleaner. I don't know any other way to discribe it.

I know that street pot has been laced with shit for years. Coke, fentanyl now. It was a risk so finding a good dealer was always a concern.

I see the advantages for government regulation but I hate shit being in the hands of them because with money comes power and control and I not a fan of that. However, a free for all is not good either. I have seen people get sick from dispensary weed and there is no accountability. At least the two LPs who used pesticides are being sued and have been looked into after the complaints.

Clearly the government needs to step up too with ensuring they monitor those who they give growing rights too as to ensure this doesn't happen again but I still, probably stupidly, trust the government run places to give better, cleaner strains then someone on the steeet or in a dispensary.

Honestly I find the shit in dispensaries to be cheap low bud strains that barely work for me anyway. Certainly not 20% THC on their bud like they try to claim. And any of their CBD strains are like smoking oregano or something. Same with the edibles and the creams. I find they are just bullshit selling to those who want rec smoke and don't know any better.

When you have smoked weed that is really 20% THC, you know this shit they claim is the same, is just that - shit, bullshit to be exact.

As for medical purchase, it is outside of Big Pharma so that is good but we have been paying HST on our weed for years which is fucked because scripts for other medication is not taxed. I could get a fentanyl script and not pay but for my medical weed I do. And to top it off, when the government starts selling and add their SIN tax to it, guess who also gets to pay that $1.00/gram extra in taxes???? That part really sucks. I don't know how long the medical community will let that go on for before they start seriously bitching. I don't think many are aware of this yet. I know because my LP reported it to me.

I will add I love that Canada Post delivers my stuff right to my door.

 

[managee]

If they allow people to grow a few plants of their own, people will sell it cheap or give pot away, driving the gov't sanctioned dealers' prices down ( and profits). Is Trudeau planning on dedicating thousands of police to busting all the illicit dealers? Better build more jails! What a mess.... just open it up and free the damn weed.

I imagine they’ll be working just as hard as they always have to bust illegal grow ops, which means not all that hard. Landlords, angry ex-spouses, and happenstance will be the big reasons grow ops will get busted. I imagine a large part of the shadiest growers/distributors/sellers will disappear - those charging $10/g all the way up to an ounce, whose only strain is “Asian invasion.”

What’ll be interesting IMO is how the black market for youth will change. There’s still going to be a market, so will they get their headies the way I got my liquor in high school (pay an adult, steal it from parents etc.), or will a shady black market still exist to serve them at $10/g (without HST plus mark-up for the purchase).

Under the new law, Ontarians can grow up to 4 plants for personal use. I haven’t seen details on whether that’s 4 plants indoors or outdoors, or 4 plants indoors, 2 plants outdoors. I think the recommendation was for more limits to outdoor growing than indoor.

In any event, how much do the g-men care that I buy some of my beer through home brewers?

What they’re banking on is that their product, CS experience, and convenience will attract a large proportion of those currently buying or going through the hassle of growing cannabis illegally. At 4 plants a household (or person, I don’t remember) that’s more pot in a year than what most of would know what to do with. At 3 turns a year, 2 if you can’t buy clones and have to grow them yourselves, that’s easily 4-8 lbs a year, depending on the operation. If you’re not Snoop, that’s more than you’ll smoke.

I don’t recall having paid $10/g for a very long time. The guys I know that grow a few plants to sell to friends are going to keep doing it for the foreseeable future, because they love doing it. They’ve all got real jobs, and this is a hobby for them. I’ll still be paying $180/ounce, or fully 2/3 of the cost at retail under the provincial plan, and skip HST. But I’m old, cheap, and very particular about what I smoke/vape/eat. I know I’m in the minority in-terms of those with ‘farm to table’ options. I’m not willing to pay an extra $100/ounce to know the THC percentage. I can figure that out with an evening at home, a sharpie and words like “nighttime” and “daytime.”

I think there will always be a black market, but the profitability of growing/distributing/selling will take a big enough hit that many of the large-scale criminal organizations will exit the market.

My money would be on increased street-availability of other narcotics, and violence as the market adjust, but I don’t believe we’ve seen that in other jurisdictions that legalized, so one can hope...

 

[managee]

I am a medical smoker. I enjoy rec use as well.

When I got from the street, I had one dealer. Always got great stuff. Burned nice. I would find others had stuff that was good but the burn was gross.

When I went with my LP - I can not deny the burn is cleaner. I don't know any other way to discribe it.

I know that street pot has been laced with shit for years. Coke, fentanyl now. It was a risk so finding a good dealer was always a concern.

I see the advantages for government regulation but I hate shit being in the hands of them because with money comes power and control and I not a fan of that. However, a free for all is not good either. I have seen people get sick from dispensary weed and there is no accountability. At least the two LPs who used pesticides are being sued and have been looked into after the complaints.

Clearly the government needs to step up too with ensuring they monitor those who they give growing rights too as to ensure this doesn't happen again but I still, probably stupidly, trust the government run places to give better, cleaner strains then someone on the steeet or in a dispensary.

Honestly I find the shit in dispensaries to be cheap low bud strains that barely work for me anyway. Certainly not 20% THC on their bud like they try to claim. And any of their CBD strains are like smoking oregano or something. Same with the edibles and the creams. I find they are just bullshit selling to those who want rec smoke and don't know any better.

When you have smoked weed that is really 20% THC, you know this shit they claim is the same, is just that - shit, bullshit to be exact.

As for medical purchase, it is outside of Big Pharma so that is good but we have been paying HST on our weed for years which is fucked because scripts for other medication is not taxed. I could get a fentanyl script and not pay but for my medical weed I do. And to top it off, when the government starts selling and add their SIN tax to it, guess who also gets to pay that $1.00/gram extra in taxes???? That part really sucks. I don't know how long the medical community will let that go on for before they start seriously bitching. I don't think many are aware of this yet. I know because my LP reported it to me.

I will add I love that Canada Post delivers my stuff right to my door.

Allll yes. Well said.

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Hehehe. You and I are not far off.

30gs = $202.50 including the HST. Which is fine now.

But for reference with the new sin tax, that will jump to $232.50. While I bitch, I can handle that but I worry for the parents of the little girl, already maxed out money wise and need to buy 30 grams worth of CBD oil to stop her seizures. That $30/month is/can be difficult for them.

 

[lomotil]

The First Nations reserves in Ontario which produce the low cost illegal tobacco cigarettes are poised to cut into the government monopoly pot market.
The black market and grey pot markets will continue.

 

[lomotil]

Hehehe. You and I are not far off.

30gs = $202.50 including the HST. Which is fine now.

But for reference with the new sin tax, that will jump to $232.50. While I bitch, I can handle that but I worry for the parents of the little girl, already maxed out money wise and need to buy 30 grams worth of CBD oil to stop her seizures. That $30/month is/can be difficult for them.

Prescription medications for those under 25, is medical pot exempt?

 

[Jasmine Raine]

Prescription medications for those under 25, is medical pot exempt?

From my understanding, yes. It is exempt. They still have to pay.

Again, medical is out of the hands of big Parma so I don't even think the health card system they are using for the billing of those meds are not in affect for medical consumers and their LPs.

However that is a good point and one that parents should be fighting for.