WAPO - audit reveals 700K Ukranian troops "missing"
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More misleading clickbait from TERB’s vatnik…
“Syrsky has been tasked with auditing the existing armed forces to find more combat-eligible troops, after Zelensky’s office recently announced that of the 1 million people who have been mobilized, only about 300,000 have fought at the front lines. But nearly a month after his promotion, no one in the military leadership or the presidential administration has explained where those 700,000 are — or what they have been doing.”
“Syrsky has been tasked with auditing the existing armed forces to find more combat-eligible troops, after Zelensky’s office recently announced that of the 1 million people who have been mobilized, only about 300,000 have fought at the front lines. But nearly a month after his promotion, no one in the military leadership or the presidential administration has explained where those 700,000 are — or what they have been doing.”
It is time for Zelensky to disclose the real number of
Ukrainian soldiers killed in action to this day.
Ukrainian soldiers killed in action to this day.
Why? To help your Russian Corps of corpse creators figure out a more effective terrorist strategy to kill more Ukrainians and hapless Russian Federation conscripts?
That is if the dumb meat puppet Soviet minded Generals could figure out anything more than centuries old Russian War Doctrine for Dummies textbook found in the Butcher Shops of Russia?
Besides, if you got your information from anywhere else than your Russian-based force feeds your messages would not appear to be so ignorant,
Even more ignorant of the fact that your ostensibly Komrade Karlson question replied and ham lamely attempted to amplify the grossly deliberately misleading headline of the recently promoted to sea water marinated submarine SSnottybo. You ignored or failed to read the actual article! Dumbass.
Zelenskiy says 31,000 Ukrainian soldiers killed since Russia invaded
Reuters
February 25, 20245:19 PM EST
KYIV, Feb 25 (Reuters) - President Volodymyr Zelenskiy said on Sunday that 31,000 Ukrainian soldiers had been killed since Russia's full-scale invasion two years ago, giving the first official figure for more than a year.
Zelenskiy told a news conference in Kyiv that he could not disclose the number of wounded because it would help Russian military planning.
"31,000 Ukrainian troops have been killed in this war. Not 300,000, not 150,000 ... (Russian President Vladimir) Putin is lying there ... But nevertheless, this is a big loss for us."
Predictably your surrogate Vatnik response is going to accuse Reuters of being a George Soros left wing propagandist tool twisting the information so here it is straight from the Hero's mouth. Again though, from a neutral global press service AP
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I'm willing to bet that 31K figure is low. In a war, why would you admit your casualty figures, especially when it would be propaganda gold for Russia. However, I don't know how low this is. I think from what we've seen on the Russia side, it is easy to believe they suffered over a few hundred thousand, but the 460K some are tossing around is probably too high.
During WWII, all nations lied or delayed casualty figures for a bit. But, in this modern age, it might be easier, since we can see funerals and online obits for the fallen.
During WWII, all nations lied or delayed casualty figures for a bit. But, in this modern age, it might be easier, since we can see funerals and online obits for the fallen.
'Bobrovska is backing proposed changes to the bill that would ensure the demobilization of troops who have already served lengthy stints in front-line positions. As it stands, she said, “the only way to be back is injured or killed.”'
Yikes!
Yikes!
I saw a video of a Ukranian kid in hospital who had his foot blown off. The guy was so happy, you'd think he won the lottery. It kinda blew my mind. Any of us would think having your foot blown off would be utterly horrific. Yet this kid had been delivered from such dispair, he felt it was an act of salvation by god.
From the all powerful "god" who had his foot blown off?
Or the "god" who sent his soldiers to break the 6th Commandment of "Thou shalt not kill?"
You raise a good point for discussion nottyboi.
WTF is with this "God Bless our Troops" sacrilegious blasphemy that has become part of society when they are sent to kill humans?
This epiphany came to me during the Gulf War and has stuck in my craw since then.
'We', western, civilized democracies condemn Muslims for their 'Jihad' holy wars, invoking God as reason to kill. But we do the same fucking thing!
I condemn your current Russian Messiah Putin for formally initiating war and military brainwashing in Kindergarten education but FFS, the USA has been informally doing the same for a long time!
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This is fair, humane, honourable and might probably help in encouraging more voluntary service.
Putin promised this to contract soldiers which has encouraged these volunteers. But, like everything Putin, he reneges on the promise and his contracts.
Absolutely, also while they are at it, they should share with the public all plans they have for future offensive and defensive actions as well as the deployment of all their forces, equipment and ammo reserves and their locations.
To quote Dr Evil. Riiiiight.
One data point isn't. Even a few examples isn't.
Also assuming you are not Poutineing about the video, we don't know the back story. Maybe he was mugging for the cameras putting on a brave front for the people, or for family. You don't need your kids or parents see you mope around like a bitch. Trust me, I know.
I knew a guy who died in his early 30's. Couldn't move, had to piss in a bag, needed someone to wipe his ass. Even after he almost died getting a feeding tube installed and could barely breathe anymore, he was one of the happiest and well adjusted guys I know. He knew how to talk himself down from the dark thoughts. I knew he was suffering because we were very good friends but you wouldn't know it on casual observation.
I am sure if he had the choice he would gladly give a foot for the chance to walk on an artifical limb, be able to piss and shit on his own and not have his mother look at his junk, be able to scratch an itch, etc.
To be fair, the title and what the article say pretty much match unless I am missing something.
However, if out of a million mobilized only 300K are at the front, and total gains on both sides in 2023 netted to 0 and Russia is only slowly slogging ground to the point where they will win in 300 years, considering how many Russia called up, ... against an army missing 700K,Ukraine equipped with mostly even older soviet era junk than the Russians have [plus a sprinkle of NATO stuff], a crushing lack of shells and air dominance. That's pretty sad. If the Americans would get of their duff and start sending that gear sitting in the desert and if NATO would actually go sex nuts and retard strong with building up capacity to produce munitions, Russia would be toast.
I mean fuck how bad is the Russian military, they apparently struggle with massive personnel and equipment advantages. Maybe we should send Luxembourg's military in and crush the Russians once and for all, probably reach the pacific in a month.
Luxembourg Armed Forces - Wikipedia
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And yet, perhaps the most studied, practised by east/west businessmen and more for the last 2,500 years. Remains highly controversial to a degree because some silly losers think there should be rules in war.
Ponder this.
You’re fighting a defensive battle with foreign aid. Most battles and wars since WWWii are often won or lost in the factories.
Is it better to have Russia think you’re weaker than you are? Or stronger than you are.
Sun Tzu might have not ever existed and was just a myth, however, I am inclined to believe he was real because his feats were mirrored by other great generals like Hannibal of Carthage and Alexander the great; they defeated armies about 10x their size. Of course technologically the smaller army has to be comparable to the larger army.
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I believe neither the outnumbered armies of Hannibal or Alexander
the Great were backed by financiers 10x more wealthy than their enemies.
If Ukraine is to emerge as the winner I don't think Sun Tzu's wisdom
will play any crucial role in the defeat of Russia.
the Great were backed by financiers 10x more wealthy than their enemies.
If Ukraine is to emerge as the winner I don't think Sun Tzu's wisdom
will play any crucial role in the defeat of Russia.
Possibly, no idea if he was real or not. But someone invented the art of subterfuge, misinformation, deception, getting opponents to look where they want, underestimate or use wooden tanks to confuse the Nazis into thinking there are more, than there really are etc
and wrote a book.
I read the book 2 decades ago. What I took away from the book was, know yourself, know your enemy, and know the battlefield, also at the end of the book he describes his last battle in which he fought the enemy head-on to finish them off at a 2 to 1 disadvantage which was due to his army being more motivated to win than his opponent's army. Everything else in between, I do not remember much.
Subterfuge, guile, and deception are practiced in the animal kingdom, some animals have vivid colors to pretend that they are poisonous, animals stand on their hind legs to look larger, there are fish that bury themselves at the bottom of the sea/lake/ocean and have an appendage sticking out that looks like a worm and when fish come to eat the worm the buried fish strikes, there is also the venus fly trap, octopus can change color to blend into the environment, etc... I do remember reading about that in the book but it was not something I thought was worth remembering as it seemed like a natural skill that humans and other animals already have.
If Sun Tzu was real then he was a finisher, he finished his opponents. It was not apparent to me how important that was until I started reading about Hannibal of Carthage not finishing Rome off and then getting finished by Rome.
First casualty of war is innocence. Some play to win, some don’t play as hard. Aka finishers and losers.
Abundantly clear in the natural world too.
The allies won WWWii, not due to military brilliance( ( though it obviously ramping up their untouchable industrial might is part of it) bbut due to the industrial might of the U.S. especially coming in late when the Nazis and allies had been beating the snot out of each other for years. Fresh legs and factories. And finished Japan.
so if fighting a defensive war of attrition, with foreign aid coming in. Better to try and manipulate Russia into over or underestimating their troop strength? Either way, I wouldn’t put much stock in any numbers.
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