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That guys going to jail.
 
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What a gong show. Staff were within their rights, but shouldn't have landed punches to the suspects head
 
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destillat said:
OK, am I wrong... or do loss prevention officers have no right to touch someone?
If two strangers were assaulting me and I had a weapon in my pocket, I'm pretty sure I'd use it as well...

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You are wrong. If a security guard witnesses a criminal offence they are entitled to make a citizen's arrest. In doing so they are entitled to use a reasonable amount of force. Having said that, they have no more or less legal authority to make a citizen's arrest than anyone else. Also, there are often going to be disputes about whether the amount of force employed was reasonable.

Putting the law aside I would say that if you are tough enough to try to stab someone you should be tough enough to accept the beating that comes your way subsequently.
 
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the guy had a knife and showed it to the security ... nothing wrong done by the security guards
 
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That fuckin' thief got what he deserved. The judge should throw the book at him and praise the security guys for kicking his ass.
 
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I used to work for a similar company, and this is tame compared to what normally goes down in these altercations. I've always trained my staff to de-escalate these types of situations, but about 5% of the time it comes to this kind of resisting. Overall, red shirt did everything clean until the elbows to keep the guy down. Gotta make that more of a pushing motion. I didn't like the black shirt guy's straight fists. I believe all guards are now trained with the same basic techniques as police officers. A brachial strike is easy to explain in court, but if you miss it looks like a punch in the face.
 
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destillat said:
I was more interested in their actions before he pulled the knife out of his pocket... they were all over him.
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And neither you nor we know anything about what happened in the store, or between there and the apprehension of the accused thief.

For all we—and you—know he was accosted and challenged verbally, with all proper respect and politeness but boasted of his theft and fled while challenging the security staff to catch him.

Anyone's right to courteous and gentle treatment begins to shrink and disappear in direct proportion, and as soon as, they refuse to treat others with the same respect and courtesy. Any 'right' to enter, be in, or to leave a store without an interaction with staff is imaginary; it's private property, and ultimately you're a tresspasser facing the owner, if you bungle the interaction.

Besides, anyone who thinks it's smart to run from guys hired and trained to catch him, and then to resist when they're bigger and more practiced at violence is a moron. Since we have no special schools to help such dimwits, it's best he spends as much time in jail as it takes to learn to be a competent petty thief who can support himself.
 
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oldjones said:
And neither you nor we know anything about what happened in the store, or between there and the apprehension of the accused thief.For all we—and you—know he was accosted and challenged verbally, with all proper respect and politeness but boasted of his theft and fled while challenging the security staff to catch him.Anyone's right to courteous and gentle treatment begins to shrink and disappear in direct proportion, and as soon as, they refuse to treat others with the same respect and courtesy. Any 'right' to enter, be in, or to leave a store without an interaction with staff is imaginary; it's private property, and ultimately you're a tresspasser facing the owner, if you bungle the interaction.Besides, anyone who thinks it's smart to run from guys hired and trained to catch him, and then to resist when they're bigger and more practiced at violence is a moron. Since we have no special schools to help such dimwits, it's best he spends as much time in jail as it takes to learn to be a competent petty thief who can support himself.
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Mike Brown got away stealing a box of cigars.
 
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He was gunned down after trying to wrestle the officers firearm away from him inside the cruiser. Then fled, Once the officer got himself together he told Brown to stop, at which point brown turned and ran towards the officer. The officer had no other option then to drop his attacker.
 
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Looks like the thief reached into his pocket to get the knife, than punched or stabbed the guard in the side with the same hand. Maybe the utility knife broke or the blade did not stay out. Guard was lucky.
 
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That's a hell of an altercation to have to get into if all they get are standard Walmart minimum wages.
 
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spaman said:
He was gunned down after trying to wrestle the officers firearm away from him inside the cruiser. Then fled, Once the officer got himself together he told Brown to stop, at which point brown turned and ran towards the officer. The officer had no other option then to drop his attacker.
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Say none of the eye-witnesses.
 
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Kilgore Trout said:
That's a hell of an altercation to have to get into if all they get are standard Walmart minimum wages.
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Yeah....considering as well, that there's nothing of value in Walmart worth stealing. He probably had a bag of tostitos or something ridiculous under his shirt
 
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Looks like the thief reached into his pocket to get the knife, than punched or stabbed the guard in the side with the same hand. Maybe the utility knife broke or the blade did not stay out. Guard was lucky.
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These guards are not armed. If he tried that with a real police officer (like that guy in St. Louis), he would be a dead man now.
 
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Me thinks this security boys have been watching to many hollywood movies. 1) Doesn't matter how great you are at fighting, you will always get hurt even when you win. Worse when you loose and no one in this world is superman.

2) Have to keep repeating it, you are under arrest, you are under arrest for theft. 3) Don't tell the guy he is under arrest, you just did an unlawful detention.
4) Part of the arrest was lawful, but the arrested person was assaulted by both Security guards.

If he sues Walmart they will likely have to pay a percentage to the thief. Which will make this whole arrest not worth it. Some one could have lost their life. A few items from walmart are not worth a life.
 
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