Wait, wait ... more Bush-bashing sites

[TOVisitor]

LGF is among the more rabidly rascist Bush-loving sites. Roger dodger would feel at home there:

http://lgfwatch.blogspot.com/2006/02/minion-writes-to-commander.html

Those darn governors:

http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/fairenough/nyt074.html

They must ALL be traitors.

Speaking of traitors, there's Bill Buckley:

http://www.nationalreview.com/script/printpage.p?ref=/buckley/buckley.asp

And even Trent Lott:

http://www.crooksandliars.com/2006/02/27.html#a7326

John Cole writes from the perspecive of a moderate Republican. Another traitor:

http://www.balloon-juice.com/?p=6788

And those darn vets who want health care! Imagine! The nerve!

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060228/ap_on_go_pr_wh/budget_cuts_veterans

And William Kristol -- saying that, “We Have Not Had A Serious Three-Year Effort To Fight A War In Iraq”. Why -- he sounds like he doesnt't support the troops or Rummy:

http://thinkprogress.org/2006/02/26/kristol-war-not-serious/

Francis Fukuyama, one of the leading lights of neoconservatism, says that neoconservatism has "evolved into something I can no longer support". He says it should be discarded on to history's pile of discredited ideologies.

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=266122006

And the damn Coast Guard! Questioning the President's deals!

http://customwire.ap.org/dynamic/st...ME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2006-02-27-16-04-00

And even Peter King and Dennis Hastert!!! Oh no!!!

http://www.nytimes.com/2006/02/27/politics/27politics.html?_r=1&oref=slogin

Gee, ya know. It's getting so crowded out here in bash Bush land. Getting so you can't tell the Rethugs and the neocons and the military from the Democrats.

Hop aboard boys! The trip to reality-ville is leaving soon. And, sadly, no Kool-aid will be served.

 

[TOVisitor]

I read Fukuyama's article in the NYTimes two Sundays ago. Quite the eye-opener.

This article summarizes the main points:

http://news.scotsman.com/international.cfm?id=266122006

Tue 21 Feb 2006
Neocon architect says: 'Pull it down'
ALEX MASSIE IN WASHINGTON

NEOCONSERVATISM has failed the United States and needs to be replaced by a more realistic foreign policy agenda, according to one of its prime architects.

Francis Fukuyama, who wrote the best-selling book The End of History and was a member of the neoconservative project, now says that, both as a political symbol and a body of thought, it has "evolved into something I can no longer support". He says it should be discarded on to history's pile of discredited ideologies.

In an extract from his forthcoming book, America at the Crossroads, Mr Fukuyama declares that the doctrine "is now in shambles" and that its failure has demonstrated "the danger of good intentions carried to extremes".

In its narrowest form, neoconservatism advocates the use of military force, unilaterally if necessary, to replace autocratic regimes with democratic ones.

Mr Fukuyama once supported regime change in Iraq and was a signatory to a 1998 letter sent by the Project for a New American Century to the then president, Bill Clinton, urging the US to step up its efforts to remove Saddam Hussein from power. It was also signed by neoconservative intellectuals, such as Bill Kristol and Robert Kagan, and political figures Paul Wolfowitz, Richard Perle and the current defence secretary, Donald Rumsfeld.

However, Mr Fukuyama now thinks the war in Iraq is the wrong sort of war, in the wrong place, at the wrong time.

"The most basic misjudgment was an overestimation of the threat facing the United States from radical Islamism," he argues.

"Although the new and ominous possibility of undeterrable terrorists armed with weapons of mass destruction did indeed present itself, advocates of the war wrongly conflated this with the threat presented by Iraq and with the rogue state/proliferation problem more generally."

Mr Fukuyama, one of the US's most influential public intellectuals, concludes that "it seems very unlikely that history will judge either the intervention [in Iraq] itself or the ideas animating it kindly".

Going further, he says the movements' advocates are Leninists who "believed that history can be pushed along with the right application of power and will. Leninism was a tragedy in its Bolshevik version, and it has returned as farce when practised by the United States".

Although Mr Fukuyama still supports the idea of democratic reform - complete with establishing the institutions of liberal modernity - in the Middle East, he warns that this process alone will not immediately reduce the threats and dangers the US faces. "Radical Islamism is a by-product of modernisation itself, arising from the loss of identity that accompanies the transition to a modern, pluralist society. More democracy will mean more alienation, radicalisation and - yes, unfortunately - terrorism," he says.

"By definition, outsiders can't 'impose' democracy on a country that doesn't want it; demand for democracy and reform must be domestic. Democracy promotion is therefore a long-term and opportunistic process that has to await the gradual ripening of political and economic conditions to be effective."

Gosh. All the heads at NRO must be exploding.

Leninists? Gee, truncy, sorry for all those times that I called you Stalinist.

BTW, trunc, did you know that Grover Norquist keeps a picture of Lenin on his desk? Google it.

 

[Mcluhan]

TOV i read Buckey's piece yesterday, and was expecting you to be all over it with glee. For those of us who don't have time to read all the GOP slant, is it fair to say there is a watershed moment going on? What do you think is about to happen? Give me a three month crystal ball. Bombing Iran looks like its off the table.

 

[Truncador]

Shouldn't Fukuyama be committing harakiri right about now or something ?

Nah, he won't be doing that. It's much more agreeable for him to just sit around collecting royalties and a fat, prestigious paycheck from some super-elite endowed academic position (that probably doesn't require him to teach any classes or carry out any administrative duties at all) while letting men of action take the blame for what he goaded them into doing in the first place.

In short, this guy really does deserve the apellation, "chickenhawk".

I guess this is why Lenin and Stalin always insisted that most intellectuals are to be trusted as far as they can be thrown...

 

[TOVisitor]

Goddamn! Now the troops are Bush bashing. What next?

The soldiers speak. Will the President listen?
By NICHOLAS D. KRISTOF
Published: February 28, 2006

When President Bush held a public meeting with troops by satellite last fall, they were miraculously upbeat. And all along, unrepentant hawks (most of whom have never been to Iraq) have insisted that journalists are misreporting Iraq and that most soldiers are gung-ho about their mission.

Hogwash! A new poll to be released today shows that U.S. soldiers overwhelmingly want out of Iraq — and soon.

The poll is the first of U.S. troops currently serving in Iraq, according to John Zogby, the pollster. Conducted by Zogby International and LeMoyne College, it asked 944 service members, "How long should U.S. troops stay in Iraq?"

Only 23 percent backed Mr. Bush's position that they should stay as long as necessary. In contrast, 72 percent said that U.S. troops should be pulled out within one year. Of those, 29 percent said they should withdraw "immediately."

That's one more bit of evidence that our grim stay-the-course policy in Iraq has failed. Even the American troops on the ground don't buy into it — and having administration officials pontificate from the safety of Washington about the need for ordinary soldiers to stay the course further erodes military morale.

While the White House emphasizes the threat from non-Iraqi terrorists, only 26 percent of the U.S. troops say that the insurgency would end if those foreign fighters could be kept out. A plurality believes that the insurgency is made up overwhelmingly of discontented Iraqi Sunnis.

So what would it take to win in Iraq? Maybe that was the single most depressing finding in this poll.

By a two-to-one ratio, the troops said that "to control the insurgency we need to double the level of ground troops and bombing missions." And since there is zero chance of that happening, a majority of troops seemed to be saying that they believe this war to be unwinnable.

TOV channels roger: "RIFT-loving traitors!"

 

[TOVisitor]

Shouldn't Fukuyama be committing harakiri right about now or something ?

Nah, he won't be doing that. It's much more agreeable for him to just sit around collecting royalties and a fat, prestigious paycheck from some super-elite endowed academic position (that probably doesn't require him to teach any classes or carry out any administrative duties at all) while letting men of action take the blame for what he goaded them into doing in the first place.

In short, this guy really does deserve the apellation, "chickenhawk".

I guess this is why Lenin and Stalin always insisted that most intellectuals are to be trusted as far as they can be thrown...

Sigh. How quickly they turn and eat their own.

 

[TOVisitor]

TOV i read Buckey's piece yesterday, and was expecting you to be all over it with glee. For those of us who don't have time to read all the GOP slant, is it fair to say there is a watershed moment going on? What do you think is about to happen? Give me a three month crystal ball. Bombing Iran looks like its off the table.

The NRO has already published a screed that "disagrees" with Sir William. I guess the Kool-aid has just frozen their brains silly.

The low ratings are going lower. That 45 day review period for the ports deal is only going to make things worse. 45 days from now, people's taxes are due, and the thought of some fat-cat Arab friends of the Shrub getting a sweet deal that is anithethical to the security-conscious will make people go against him even more.

I think, as always, that the American people will be out front of their elected leaders on this one. The Republicans have been marching in goose-step, er, lock-step behind the Shrub, Cheney, and Rove for too long for them to throw off their shackles right away. The feeding trough of pork is too deep to walk away from.

While there is a lot that can happen between now and the fall, the Democrats have a good shot at 50 seats in the Senate and a potential to take over the House. Were that to happen, all hell will break loose.

As to the Shrub, he's always been bailed out of whatever jam he has been in -- all his life. He's never had to admit a mistake or say, "I'm sorry." I don't expect him to do so now.

I also think that South Dakota outlawing abortions for any reason will come back and shoot the Rethugs in the foot. The majority of Americans want a reasonable soluton to abortions, one that is not ideologically rigid. The rigidity of the Soutrh Dakota law will, once and for all, expose the right wing for all of its biases, prejudices, and authoritarian impulses.

And waiting in the wings with more indictments is Pat Fitzgerald. He's still out there and Rove is still shitting bricks.

Iran? I think that's a dead deal. Short of an attack of major proportions, the American people will not sanction another crazy escape of trumped-up charges.

It will be an interesting few months.

 

[Truncador]

Sigh. How quickly they turn and eat their own.

It was patently evident right from the start that Fukuyama was nothing but a shallow carnival-barker and charlatan. It's one of those things you just recognize the second you see a title like The End of History ( ) on a book.

 

[TOVisitor]

It was patently evident right from the start that Fukuyama was nothing but a shallow carnival-barker and charlatan. It's one of those things you just recognize the second you see a title like The End of History ( ) on a book.

While you are probably correct, the fact is that Fukuyama provided much philosophical cover for the neocons.

His apostasy is raising eybrows in many circles -- among both the right and the left.

 

[langeweile]

http://www.nationalreview.com/script/printpage.p?ref=/buckley/buckley.asp

Another great article from Buckley.
The reality of defeat should be part of any strategy, are we there yet? It sure looks that way.

The sad part is, that an opportunity for freedom has been squashed by criminals.
That fact will not be good for anybody.

 

[TOVisitor]

http://www.nationalreview.com/script/printpage.p?ref=/buckley/buckley.asp

Another great article from Buckley.
The reality of defeat should be part of any strategy, are we there yet? It sure looks that way.

The sad part is, that an opportunity for freedom has been squashed by criminals.
That fact will not be good for anybody.

I already linked to this article in the first post, lange. Get with the program.

Now that Buckley has admitted defeat, when will you do so?

 

[langeweile]

I already linked to this article in the first post, lange. Get with the program.

Now that Buckley has admitted defeat, when will you do so?

Go sit down have some coffee and read my post again.... if you don't understand what I've said.please feel free to contact me.

I singled out the article from all your posts, becuase it was one of the few legit ones...90% are just links to sites with an agenda.

 

[TOVisitor]

Go sit down have some coffee and read my post again.... if you don't understand what I've said.please feel free to contact me.

I singled out the article from all your posts, becuase it was one of the few legit ones...90% are just links to sites with an agenda.

So does this mean that you are also admitting defeat?

Sorry that I posted articles from Yahoo and the NY Times that reported the news, or that I posted links to VIDEOS of Bill Kristol or Trent Lott saying things that were anti-Bush. I guess that videos are too biased for you. /sarcasm

 

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Conceding defeat

The admittedly naive, but at least benevolent and dispassionate, ivory-tower neo-con theories of what to do about the Arab problem are being replaced by brutal popular incitements to all-out war between Islam and the West (see the threads here from about a week ago, as the tip of a vast and ugly iceberg of mass sentiment). The mob in Europe is already in kind of a pogrom mood; its socialist Pharisees are in full accord, and Pilate, exasperated, stands ready to wash his hands.

After Iraq, Plan B