Wait 'til Chris Rock notices this.
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Would that be "conforming" like say:
Ray Charles?
Michael Jordan?
Richard Pryor?
Clay/Ali?
Russell Simmons?
Denzel Washington?
Tyra Banks?
Jarome Iginla?
Shaq?
or is it just that you find it funny that white people could be massively entertained by a black person with serious talent?
Who is "conforming"?
What really is your point?
Ray Charles?
Michael Jordan?
Richard Pryor?
Clay/Ali?
Russell Simmons?
Denzel Washington?
Tyra Banks?
Jarome Iginla?
Shaq?
or is it just that you find it funny that white people could be massively entertained by a black person with serious talent?
Who is "conforming"?
What really is your point?
I don't understand your point either...
Stang, I am also not sure what you're getting at here.
Are you suggesting that some of these black entertainers, like Will Smith have "conformed" to some "white" standard in order to be successful. I would think that in Smith's case, he has done nothing of the sort but, rather, has popularised music and humour that was previously not in the American mainstream.
As for your later example of Sammy Davis Jr., I happen to know that he fought hard for the acceptance of black entertainers and he suffered many hardships from the discrimination of the day. He also took the non-conforming route of converting to Judaism - a decision which, especially in his day, would not be a means to getting easier acceptance.
I also don't understand your statement that "it has nothing to do with talent". Both individuals mentioned in this post, as well as many of the examples listed above, are extremely talented in their fields.
What is it that you are trying to say in this thread?
Stang, I am also not sure what you're getting at here.
Are you suggesting that some of these black entertainers, like Will Smith have "conformed" to some "white" standard in order to be successful. I would think that in Smith's case, he has done nothing of the sort but, rather, has popularised music and humour that was previously not in the American mainstream.
As for your later example of Sammy Davis Jr., I happen to know that he fought hard for the acceptance of black entertainers and he suffered many hardships from the discrimination of the day. He also took the non-conforming route of converting to Judaism - a decision which, especially in his day, would not be a means to getting easier acceptance.
I also don't understand your statement that "it has nothing to do with talent". Both individuals mentioned in this post, as well as many of the examples listed above, are extremely talented in their fields.
What is it that you are trying to say in this thread?
You're misunderstanding it, read what is written. When I said it was "nothing to do with their talent", that means that their talents are not the point. Of coarse they are all talented, some of them immensely so. More so than most of us could ever aspire to. The original critique is directed at main-stream audience members who prefer their entertainers to be articulate, smiley, well dressed and non-threatening, and those who succeed mostly conform to that description. And again I don't necessarily believe it is right.
Now you tell us...
I don't see anything wrong with all people, including entertainers, aspiring to be well-dressed and non-threatening; though, of course, one's definitions of those terms would vary greatly by taste and culture, as comparison of (for example) Sammy and Will would quickly demonstrate.
I don't agree with your implication that all of the black personalities listed in this thread are "smiley". I'm not even sure what that means to you but, if you mean good-humoured, I see nothing wrong with that.
Finally, being articulate is not a quality that belongs to any particular culture or ethnic group and it is certainly not something of which one should be ashamed. You might want to try it sometime.
At any rate, the key to being a successful entertainer includes the ability to entertain your audience. If the audience likes their entertainers to be clean, non-abusive, and able to compose a sentence then that's what it takes to be successful. If you, personally, would prefer to be "entertained" by a smelly and scowling individual who threatens your safety while being unable to string together a sentence, I might be able to help you find some drugged-out homeless pimps of various races and cultures. Personally, I prefer the talented individuals mentioned earlier in this thread.
Well Stang, if you had actually written that, perhaps I would have read it.stang said:
I don't see anything wrong with all people, including entertainers, aspiring to be well-dressed and non-threatening; though, of course, one's definitions of those terms would vary greatly by taste and culture, as comparison of (for example) Sammy and Will would quickly demonstrate.
I don't agree with your implication that all of the black personalities listed in this thread are "smiley". I'm not even sure what that means to you but, if you mean good-humoured, I see nothing wrong with that.
Finally, being articulate is not a quality that belongs to any particular culture or ethnic group and it is certainly not something of which one should be ashamed. You might want to try it sometime.
At any rate, the key to being a successful entertainer includes the ability to entertain your audience. If the audience likes their entertainers to be clean, non-abusive, and able to compose a sentence then that's what it takes to be successful. If you, personally, would prefer to be "entertained" by a smelly and scowling individual who threatens your safety while being unable to string together a sentence, I might be able to help you find some drugged-out homeless pimps of various races and cultures. Personally, I prefer the talented individuals mentioned earlier in this thread.
Hate to burst your bubble dude but Ludacris, Snoop and Em are all VERY articulate one on one.Don said:
50 may be a bit rough around the edges but the man is a poet.
Hip Hop has been for a while and will continue to be the new rock.
Nothing effects culture; fashion, music, movies, slang and tech needs like Hip Hop has the last several years. Just like rock in the 50's-80's.
Deal with it.
I believe that this thread start to finish has had some seriously incorrect racial
undertones and I have found it to be offensive.
Peace.
Perception would deem them as not articulate. Obviously perception is not always truth. Eminem is considered even by is detractors as a very skilled wordsmith.blitz said:
btw - I don't consider those artists to be hip-hop artists. Chuck D. of once PE (now that was a Hip Hop group!) made a comment that what is considered hip-hop these days is not really hip-hop but more really dance/pop. Hip-Hop was a form of political statement while you hit the dance floor and get down w/50 cents
But I agree, this thread is a bit ridiculous.
