Vote liberal

[fmahovalich]

No one would have thought ol Franky would say that.


There is a lot of 'Anyone but Harper" mentality in here.... For no particular reason ..maybe other than he changed slightly how you get your wiener sucked ( I've noticed no change)

I'm an "anyone but Mulcair" guy. Yes, I have voted Liberal In years gone by.

But if you can't bring yourself to vote Harper, do yourself and Canadians a favour and vote for the lad with the nice hair.

 

[nottyboi]

No one would have thought ol Franky would say that.


There is a lot of 'Anyone but Harper" mentality in here.... For no particular reason ..maybe other than he changed slightly how you get your wiener sucked ( I've noticed no change)

I'm an "anyone but Mulcair" guy. Yes, I have voted Liberal In years gone by.

But if you can't bring yourself to vote Harper, do yourself and Canadians a favour and vote for the lad with the nice hair.

Well if you have noticed no change then you are under rock. But I agree with you that Trudeau is more interesting then Mulclair. I will vote for the side most likely to defeat Harper hoping that is Trudeau. I am hoping for a Trudeau minority govt.

 

[Dawgger]

For what it is worth, I feel the same way. Trudeau will get my vote.

 

[Garrett]

Trudeau only has one qualification for prime minister: his last name.

His policies are a guaranteed nightmare, and will simply repeat what the Ontario Liberals have done at the federal level.
He will deliver massive deficits with nothing to show for it a decade later, similar to the Ontario Liberals.

Harper is still the best leader, and has brought us through some very tough times. Sadly, not a lot of voters respect fiscal responsibility these days.
They just want their piece of the pie, and will let the future generations deal with the debt.

 

[HenrySenior]

Trudeau only has one qualification for prime minister: his last name.

His policies are a guaranteed nightmare, and will simply repeat what the Ontario Liberals have done at the federal level.
He will deliver massive deficits with nothing to show for it a decade later, similar to the Ontario Liberals.

Harper is still the best leader, and has brought us through some very tough times. Sadly, not a lot of voters respect fiscal responsibility these days.
They just want their piece of the pie, and will let the future generations deal with the debt.

Can't say it better myself.

 

[IM469]

Harper is still the best leader, and has brought us through some very tough times. Sadly, not a lot of voters respect fiscal responsibility these days.

Yes ... fiscal responsibility - only Harper understands it .. yet ... he inherited an economy running a surplus under the Liberals and every year he has been in power since - Harper has been running a deficit ! Harper is such a financial genius that he is surprised by an unexpected $1.9 Billion budget cash flow. How does a brilliant financial genius lose track of $1.9 billion ?? How do you justify classing someone who does not see $1.9 Billion dollars in a budget as a fiscal responsible leader ????

I also don't see abandoning our armed forces veterans and closing down facilities as a wise choice of budgetary restraint after passing a tax code that puts billions into the hands of the rich. That is why he is followed by veterans with an 'anybody but Harper' campaign.

Am I the only one that thought it crazy to have Wayne Gretzky endorsing Harper ? This is a guy who Harper took his vote making him a less significant Canadian because supposedly he doesn't understand or appreciate the issues of an election. Maybe Harper was right - Wayne Gretzky supports him so taking away his vote is a good thing.

I also really loath Harper's attack ads. Trudeau's main policy is legalizing marijuana ??? I realize it is targeted to the 'old class' (i.e. old farts) but they are annoying.

He has surrounded himself in convicted felons - the guy is slime through and through.

My problem is Harper is a disaster start too finish but I'm at odds who I should vote for. I'm guessing it will be the party most likely to get rid of him. Once again I'm having to vote against a disaster rather than for a platform I believe in. :frown:

 

[oldjones]

No one would have thought ol Franky would say that.


There is a lot of 'Anyone but Harper" mentality in here.... For no particular reason ..maybe other than he changed slightly how you get your wiener sucked ( I've noticed no change)

I'm an "anyone but Mulcair" guy. Yes, I have voted Liberal In years gone by.

But if you can't bring yourself to vote Harper, do yourself and Canadians a favour and vote for the lad with the nice hair.

He is the one promising three more years of Harper-style deficit budgets, so it's easy to see why you'd prefer Trudeau over Mulcair. Like the damnable ex-Liberal he is, Mulcair's planning to continue budgetting like Harper and keep the books balanced. Can't have that.

Thanks be fm that we have your sort to inspire us to vote, not for the best of the folks whose names we can actually put an X beside, but to imagine we're 'saving' something by pretending we're really voting for a Deficit Harper or a Balanced Harper to avoid getting stuck with the Real Harper yet again.

Clearly we should be looking into the mental health consequences of using FPTP so long after its Best Before date.

 

[bluecolt]

Trudeau only has one qualification for prime minister: his last name.

His policies are a guaranteed nightmare, and will simply repeat what the Ontario Liberals have done at the federal level.
He will deliver massive deficits with nothing to show for it a decade later, similar to the Ontario Liberals.

Harper is still the best leader, and has brought us through some very tough times. Sadly, not a lot of voters respect fiscal responsibility these days.
They just want their piece of the pie, and will let the future generations deal with the debt.

Amen, my friend. I cannot believe that anyone with even a partial brain could vote NDP, and furthermore, voting for the Liberal alternative will certainly drop all of Canada into the hole that the McGinty and Wynne governments have already.

 

[bluecolt]

I have to wonder. Who of the leftists on this thread actually vote? I have been voting for over 40 years and missed only one municipal vote due solely to being laid up and unable to walk.
My take is that the young and impressionable, like most to those on this site, don't vote at all. They squawk and talk a lot and spew Marxist platitudes inherited from teachers and professors, but that's all they do. I have been to many electoral venues. Young leftists have never been the staple there. Most voters are immigrants and older persons such as myself.

 

[Insidious Von]

Trudeau is the only one that understands that something has to be done about corporate welfare. It is destroying our economy, undermining our democratic institutions. They brought the global economy to its knees in 2007 - 09, then made out like thieves. President Obama is a wimp by not proscecuting any of the manipulators of the crisis, James Cayne, Dick Gregory and Joseph Cassano should all be in jail.

Maybe I'm wrong. I just finished reading Joseph Stiglitz's The Price of Inequality and am half way into Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations, I'm beginning to realize just how badly fucked up the capitalist system is.

 

[oldjones]

Trudeau is the only one that understands that something has to be done about corporate welfare. It is destroying our economy, undermining our democratic institutions. They brought the global economy to its knees in 2007 - 09, then made out like thieves. President Obama is a wimp by not proscecuting any of the manipulators of the crisis, James Cayne, Dick Gregory and Joseph Cassano should all be in jail.

Maybe I'm wrong. I just finished reading Joseph Stiglitz's The Price of Inequality and am half way into Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations, I'm beginning to realize just how badly fucked up the capitalist system is.

Government handouts/allowances/privileged treatment to the wealthy and powerful have been an essential part of the system since long before 'welfare' had anything to do with the state, and long before there were corporations. We may be past the days when the King had to make nice to Dukes and such with armies of their own, but there's a reason it's little guys and whistleblowers that wind up in jail when corporate malfeasance comes to light, while the execs who steer the corporate ship parlay settlements with the authorities. Money will always be power, and if there's no compelling values opposing, greed will rule. Eventually, as we've seen before, and see daily, the masses who aren't benefiting from the mutual back-scratching will lose patience with those who forget they're the ones who actually turn the wheels and grease the machinery of society that produces that money. That free-market Smith postulated only existed within a moral and ethical framework that all could support, with only the most recalcitrant having to be be coerced to stay within it by regulation and authority.

But there's always someone's bit of tinkering that someone else feels takes things too far, and if it's the powerful and the tinkering's significant, then the framework unbalances and collapses. When 1% own half the wealth and earning opportunities — jobs we call them — disappear, it's certainly time to do something down where 99% of the folks are. His reasoning may be convoluted but even a guy like fmahovalich is onside.

 

[red]

I voted harper last two elections but he has not lived up to his promises, he has cut military spending to its lowest level since the boer war, and fucks our veterans. This time I vote liberal

 

[rhuarc29]

Yes ... fiscal responsibility - only Harper understands it .. yet ... he inherited an economy running a surplus under the Liberals and every year he has been in power since - Harper has been running a deficit ! Harper is such a financial genius that he is surprised by an unexpected $1.9 Billion budget cash flow. How does a brilliant financial genius lose track of $1.9 billion ?? How do you justify classing someone who does not see $1.9 Billion dollars in a budget as a fiscal responsible leader ????

It's called relativity. Losing track of $1.9 billion in a $290 billion dollar budget is like a person making $30,000 a year losing track of $200 over the course of the entire year. Except that a country has many more moving parts than a single person's life does.

Even with this current recession, I believe Harper is the best choice for Canada's economy. It's everywhere else that I take issue with. Considering the Cons are supposed to be the party that stays out of people's lives, he sure has a way of dictating what people are allowed to do. I also disagree with his foreign policy decisions and his special interests.

Harper will not be getting my vote come election day. I just think it's hilarious when people attack his fiscal record when the other candidates would have been far, far worse.

 

[Insidious Von]

I agree with most of what you say Sage Jones but when the system is overtly unbalanced violent problems arise. The French Revolution is proof of that. French peasants saved Louis XIV from total defeat at the Battle of Malpaquet. They bore the full brunt of taxation while the French nobility lived in decadent luxury. The ancien regime never got around to reforming the system and they paid for it with their heads.

 

[oldjones]

I agree with most of what you say Sage Jones but when the system is overtly unbalanced violent problems arise. The French Revolution is proof of that. French peasants saved Louis XIV from total defeat at the Battle of Malpaquet. They bore the full brunt of taxation while the French nobility lived in decadent luxury. The ancien regime never got around to reforming the system and they paid for it with their heads.

Yeah, that's why democracy is the inevitable form of government; it's just to difficult and uses too many much energy and resources keeping those masses huddled, tired and poor, by armed might. Easier and more effective to give them at least the illusion they have a role to play and some power to exercise, if they behave. Of course if you can convince the blinkered 1% that a bit of actual sharing ins in their interests producing contented, passive underlings who have enough money temporarily to be customers so much the better for a comfortable way of life.

Those castles the 1% used to live in weren't very comfy, and were hugely expensive and time-consuming to construct, although reasonably effective against the revolting poor. Eventually our 1% will learn as they did — which is why Count Bismarks' Prussia led the world in state socialism, not France. But so far the selfish grasping ideology our Cons so clearly exemplify seems to be winning, and I'd suspect we've got more gated, armed 'communities' in our futures before our so-called leading citizens recognize Jesus was trying to communicate a harsh reality, nos a charitable platitude when he said, "The poor ye shall always have with you".

Better the 1% realize that a few taxed-bucks spent ensuring they're contented is the best investment in protecting your wealth that money can ever buy. Castles are only good for making ruins.

 

[jcpro]

Yeah, I'll vote Liberal or maybe NDP. Just not sure if I can schedule that lobotomy surgery in time for the election.

 

[IM469]

Considering the Cons are supposed to be the party that stays out of people's lives, he sure has a way of dictating what people are allowed to do. ......I just think it's hilarious when people attack his fiscal record when the other candidates would have been far, far worse.

I'm not sure where you got the impression that conservatives stay out of peoples lives. I think you have them confused with Libertarians who are fiscally conservative but believe in minimal government in peoples lives. Conservatives oppose change and are by nature wasps drawn off course by people's will. Harper is anti-gay rights and as all conservatives - feel a moral and religious obligation to limit your rights to those outlined in the Christian bible.

I think it's hilarious that people believe that a government that has run deficits every year after taking power from from a government that was running consecutive surpluses is some how a better choice or even suggest that a liberal surplus government would have run higher deficits during the same period... really ??

When I was younger Conservatives were the balanced /surplus party. In the last twenty years the roles were reversed. The liberals (federal) ran surplus budgets and the Conservatives ran up deficit budgets. The only difference I see is that Trudeau said he will run a deficit whereas Harper says he won't but still does.

 

[oldjones]

Yeah, I'll vote Liberal or maybe NDP. Just not sure if I can schedule that lobotomy surgery in time for the election.

We take it then, that you intend to continue supporting Our Dear Leader's candidate in your riding. But on the lobotomy question you raised, memory loss is well known side-effect. Don't ignore the possibility you've already had yours, and forgotten.

Favouring your choice, your guy has already flip-flopped for both NDP-promised balanced budgets and Liberal-promised deficits, though he did lie shamelessly about those. So whichever way the economic winds wind blow him next, it'll be one of their playbooks he'll be reading if he wins. At least he'll be your chosen liar. And extremely well-practised by then.

 

[bluecolt]

I voted harper last two elections but he has not lived up to his promises, he has cut military spending to its lowest level since the boer war, and fucks our veterans. This time I vote liberal

Do you think that the traditionally anti-military Liberals or NDP will do anything for the military. During the Afghanistan crisis, then-PM Chretien refused to acknowledge that the troops actually killed Taliban militants. Furthermore, Chretien and the Liberals cut off the helicopter contract, costing Canada hundreds of millions in penalties and defense jobs. Also, Trudeau's old man hated the military so much that he eviscerated it by his "unifying the armed forces" and reducing it to the pitiful force we have today. Yes, under the Liberals, the military had Aurora airplanes that were older than those flying them, used tanks left over from the fifties, old trucks with the seats missing and the bodies held together with spit and FN rifles from just after WWII.

The Liberals hate the military and would without a doubt, marginalize the men who give their lives at the behest of crooked politicians. They deserve much better than the Liberals.

 

[jcpro]

We take it then, that you intend to continue supporting Our Dear Leader's candidate in your riding. But on the lobotomy question you raised, memory loss is well known side-effect. Don't ignore the possibility you've already had yours, and forgotten.

Favouring your choice, your guy has already flip-flopped for both NDP-promised balanced budgets and Liberal-promised deficits, though he did lie shamelessly about those. So whichever way the economic winds wind blow him next, it'll be one of their playbooks he'll be reading if he wins. At least he'll be your chosen liar. And extremely well-practised by then.

I vote with my wallet. Harper will rob me the least.