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Vandals have taken down the Parkside Drive speed camera in Toronto for the third time in recent weeks

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This camera camera gets tons of speeders. They dragged it across the park to dump it in the pond.


Vandals have taken down the Parkside Drive speed camera in Toronto for the third time in recent weeks before dumping it into a nearby duck pond.

The speed camera, which garners some of the most speeding tickets in the city, was cut down twice in November — the second time coming a day after it had been reinstalled.
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Faraz Gholizadeh, a local resident and co-chair of community advocacy group Safe Parkside, said the camera was taken down for a third time sometime in the last week. This time, whoever cut it down has "taken it to another level."

Track marks through High Park show it was dragged from Parkside Drive through the park before being thrown into the duck pond, where it currently remains.

"This time they decided to make it more difficult, more challenging, send more of a message that they don't approve of this speed camera," Gholizadeh said.

Some Parkside residents were baffled by the intensity of this latest vandalism.

"The will to have to climb up and cut it off and not just tear it down but then bring it to the pond and throw it onto the ice, it's like a mob hit on a traffic camera. It's insane," said Chris Smets.

A spokesperson for the City of Toronto said the speed enforcement cameras in the city are a vendor-provided service and aren't owned by the municipality, so the vendor would be responsible for replacing and fixing the Parkside Drive camera.

However, the city is looking into ways to prevent vandalism to the cameras, such as installing remote monitoring, the spokesperson said.

CBC News reached out to the vendor that owns the camera Monday.

Despite the repeated vandalism, the speed enforcement cameras aren't going anywhere, said Barbara Gray, Toronto's general manager of transportation services.

In fact, the city plans to have an additional 75 installed throughout Toronto, 25 of which will be permanent, she said Monday.

"We know they're effective, we know they have an impact on safety and speed, and that's why we have them in the first place."

Safety concerns remain
The Parkside Drive camera netted 1,759 tickets in October, with only two other speed cameras catching more drivers speeding over the limit in Toronto that month, according to city data.

It was installed in April 2022 to address residents' safety concerns about the high-traffic street following a collision a year earlier that killed an older couple.

Gholizadeh said it's frustrating to see the camera being targeted over and over again since it's meant to help make the area safer. However, he said the speed camera alone won't fix the street's safety issues and wants the city to make physical changes to the road.

"It's unfortunate that this keeps happening, but the most unfortunate thing is that our city isn't doing more to make the streets safe because a camera that keeps getting chopped down isn't helping," he said.

"Even when it's up, it's not helping that much. We need much more safety and we need it now."

In November, Toronto city council voted to endorse a plan to add new bike lanes to Parkside Drive as part of a larger plan to make the street safer.

The plan also includes adding intersection safety improvements at Lake Shore Boulevard W. and Bloor Street W., new and updated bus stops, and designated turning lanes at intersections.

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That's funny.

Now, do I think this camera would've prevented the collision that killed the elderly couple? No, not for a second. Do I think the cameras are doing what the city intended them to, rake in million of dollars? Definitely. That's why they want to install 75 more, all in the name of "safety."
 

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This camera camera gets tons of speeders. They dragged it across the park to dump it in the pond.


Vandals have taken down the Parkside Drive speed camera in Toronto for the third time in recent weeks before dumping it into a nearby duck pond.

The speed camera, which garners some of the most speeding tickets in the city, was cut down twice in November — the second time coming a day after it had been reinstalled.
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Faraz Gholizadeh, a local resident and co-chair of community advocacy group Safe Parkside, said the camera was taken down for a third time sometime in the last week. This time, whoever cut it down has "taken it to another level."

Track marks through High Park show it was dragged from Parkside Drive through the park before being thrown into the duck pond, where it currently remains.

"This time they decided to make it more difficult, more challenging, send more of a message that they don't approve of this speed camera," Gholizadeh said.

Some Parkside residents were baffled by the intensity of this latest vandalism.

"The will to have to climb up and cut it off and not just tear it down but then bring it to the pond and throw it onto the ice, it's like a mob hit on a traffic camera. It's insane," said Chris Smets.

A spokesperson for the City of Toronto said the speed enforcement cameras in the city are a vendor-provided service and aren't owned by the municipality, so the vendor would be responsible for replacing and fixing the Parkside Drive camera.

However, the city is looking into ways to prevent vandalism to the cameras, such as installing remote monitoring, the spokesperson said.

CBC News reached out to the vendor that owns the camera Monday.

Despite the repeated vandalism, the speed enforcement cameras aren't going anywhere, said Barbara Gray, Toronto's general manager of transportation services.

In fact, the city plans to have an additional 75 installed throughout Toronto, 25 of which will be permanent, she said Monday.

"We know they're effective, we know they have an impact on safety and speed, and that's why we have them in the first place."

Safety concerns remain
The Parkside Drive camera netted 1,759 tickets in October, with only two other speed cameras catching more drivers speeding over the limit in Toronto that month, according to city data.

It was installed in April 2022 to address residents' safety concerns about the high-traffic street following a collision a year earlier that killed an older couple.

Gholizadeh said it's frustrating to see the camera being targeted over and over again since it's meant to help make the area safer. However, he said the speed camera alone won't fix the street's safety issues and wants the city to make physical changes to the road.

"It's unfortunate that this keeps happening, but the most unfortunate thing is that our city isn't doing more to make the streets safe because a camera that keeps getting chopped down isn't helping," he said.

"Even when it's up, it's not helping that much. We need much more safety and we need it now."

In November, Toronto city council voted to endorse a plan to add new bike lanes to Parkside Drive as part of a larger plan to make the street safer.

The plan also includes adding intersection safety improvements at Lake Shore Boulevard W. and Bloor Street W., new and updated bus stops, and designated turning lanes at intersections.

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Too bad this approach doesn't work with useless politicians....
 
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That's funny.

Now, do I think this camera would've prevented the collision that killed the elderly couple? No, not for a second. Do I think the cameras are doing what the city intended them to, rake in million of dollars? Definitely. That's why they want to install 75 more, all in the name of "safety."
Motorists have been sending a "F*ck You, We Don't Care" middle finger to residents of the High Park neighborhood and High Park users for decades:

That is the message motorists have been sending to the community with their behavior all along, anyway. From what I’ve read, across North America and across Toronto, speed enforcement cameras, accompanied by signs that display the speed of cars approaching them, are among the most effective ways of getting drivers to slow down. But not on Parkside Drive.

On Parkside Drive, people just keep on speeding, and keep on getting tickets, and then go on speeding again. Most of Toronto’s traffic cameras get shifted around from location to location every few months — like traffic-calming superheroes, they do their job and then move on to help people somewhere else. But the one on Parkside has been there continuously since 2021, specifically because drivers there are not getting the message and slowing down. That location has issued more tickets than any other in the city — more than 63,000 — and raised almost $7 million in revenue.

To be clear, from the city’s perspective, and the neighborhood’s, this is bad news. The job of the camera isn’t to raise cash. It’s to dissuade people from speeding. And it has not been doing that.

That stretch of street represents a particular problem in Toronto’s traffic network in trying to balance the goals of moving vehicles quickly and keeping people safe. It is a residential street, with houses lining one side of the road, and it has a lot of pedestrian traffic because High Park is on the other side of the road. But it is also the main route up from Lake Shore and the Gardiner for people in the vast stretch of central-west Toronto. People are using it as a thoroughfare to get to and from much higher-speed, higher-capacity roads.

The result is lots of collisions over the years. In the past decade, there have been almost 1,500 on that tiny two-kilometre stretch of road; 21 pedestrians and 30 cyclists were hit in that time. The camera was installed after two seniors in a car were killed there in 2021. It was meant to send a message: slow down.

Motorists haven’t been accepting that message. Instead, at least one of them is using vandalism to send their own message.

In response, it may be time for the city to speed up implementing alternative safety measures. Bike lanes and other design changes to the road designed to slow traffic are already in the works, and they can’t come fast enough if they’ll actually force people to drive slower. Sometimes it takes a sign to tell people how fast to go. Sometimes fines are needed to do that job. But if those don’t work, making it physically harder to go fast can be even more effective.

And, incidentally, much harder for a vandal to undo.


C'mon, bike lane monitor, keep on keeping on defending virtuous, law abiding, good neighbor motorists as u always do!
 

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That's funny.

Now, do I think this camera would've prevented the collision that killed the elderly couple? No, not for a second. Do I think the cameras are doing what the city intended them to, rake in million of dollars? Definitely. That's why they want to install 75 more, all in the name of "safety."
Maybe speed bumps?
 
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Motorists have been sending a "F*ck You, We Don't Care" middle finger to residents of the High Park neighborhood and High Park users for decades:

That is the message motorists have been sending to the community with their behavior all along, anyway. From what I’ve read, across North America and across Toronto, speed enforcement cameras, accompanied by signs that display the speed of cars approaching them, are among the most effective ways of getting drivers to slow down. But not on Parkside Drive.

On Parkside Drive, people just keep on speeding, and keep on getting tickets, and then go on speeding again. Most of Toronto’s traffic cameras get shifted around from location to location every few months — like traffic-calming superheroes, they do their job and then move on to help people somewhere else. But the one on Parkside has been there continuously since 2021, specifically because drivers there are not getting the message and slowing down. That location has issued more tickets than any other in the city — more than 63,000 — and raised almost $7 million in revenue.

To be clear, from the city’s perspective, and the neighborhood’s, this is bad news. The job of the camera isn’t to raise cash. It’s to dissuade people from speeding. And it has not been doing that.

That stretch of street represents a particular problem in Toronto’s traffic network in trying to balance the goals of moving vehicles quickly and keeping people safe. It is a residential street, with houses lining one side of the road, and it has a lot of pedestrian traffic because High Park is on the other side of the road. But it is also the main route up from Lake Shore and the Gardiner for people in the vast stretch of central-west Toronto. People are using it as a thoroughfare to get to and from much higher-speed, higher-capacity roads.

The result is lots of collisions over the years. In the past decade, there have been almost 1,500 on that tiny two-kilometre stretch of road; 21 pedestrians and 30 cyclists were hit in that time. The camera was installed after two seniors in a car were killed there in 2021. It was meant to send a message: slow down.

Motorists haven’t been accepting that message. Instead, at least one of them is using vandalism to send their own message.

In response, it may be time for the city to speed up implementing alternative safety measures. Bike lanes and other design changes to the road designed to slow traffic are already in the works, and they can’t come fast enough if they’ll actually force people to drive slower. Sometimes it takes a sign to tell people how fast to go. Sometimes fines are needed to do that job. But if those don’t work, making it physically harder to go fast can be even more effective.

And, incidentally, much harder for a vandal to undo.


C'mon, bike lane monitor, keep on keeping on defending virtuous, law abiding, good neighbor motorists as u always do!
Roadways have their own natural speed limit. It's the speed at which most drivers feel comfortable based on the roadway, surroundings and the conditions. That stretch of southbound Parkside is two lanes wide, is downhill, for the most part has no sidewalk and no houses on the west side. In 2021 they reduced the speed limit from 50 to 40 km/h and then installed a speed camera. So now anyone going 1 km/h over the old posted limit will receive a ticket. I'm not surprised it has the record for handing out the most tickets. Notice there isn't a speed camera on northbound Parkside? Hmmmmm, now why could that be?

I'm not defending drivers for "speeding" rather, I'm explaining why the camera in that location issues so many tickets. It's the same reason you'll see cops set up radar in known "fishing holes" which tend to be on downhill roads where people are more likely to exceed the posted limit.

Simply reducing the speed limit on a roadway isn't enough to slow everyone down. It is however, a good way for the city to generate revenue. But it's really just a speed tax. It does nothing to slow speeding drivers down. You get a fine in the mail months later, which has no effect on your licence or insurance. It's no different than a parking ticket. It also does nothing to prevent reckless drivers who behave like they do, no matter what the limit is.
 

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Roadways have their own natural speed limit. It's the speed at which most drivers feel comfortable based on the roadway, surroundings and the conditions. That stretch of southbound Parkside is two lanes wide, is downhill, for the most part has no sidewalk and no houses on the west side. In 2021 they reduced the speed limit from 50 to 40 km/h and then installed a speed camera. So now anyone going 1 km/h over the old posted limit will receive a ticket. I'm not surprised it has the record for handing out the most tickets. Notice there isn't a speed camera on northbound Parkside? Hmmmmm, now why could that be?

I'm not defending drivers for "speeding" rather, I'm explaining why the camera in that location issues so many tickets. It's the same reason you'll see cops set up radar in known "fishing holes" which tend to be on downhill roads where people are more likely to exceed the posted limit.

Simply reducing the speed limit on a roadway isn't enough to slow everyone down. It is however, a good way for the city to generate revenue. But it's really just a speed tax. It does nothing to slow speeding drivers down. You get a fine in the mail months later, which has no effect on your licence or insurance. It's no different than a parking ticket. It also does nothing to prevent reckless drivers who behave like they do, no matter what the limit is.
Sounds like you're game, primed and all pumped up for other traffic calming measures on Parkside Dr.!

This following link: Traffic Calming Measures - Institute of Transportation Engineers (ite.org) provides a list of 18 different types of traffic calming measures from professionals in road transportation:

You can pick and choose, mix and match, BOGO traffic calming measures to your hearts content!

This is what it is going to come down to when motorists repeatedly and unceasingly scoff and trample on the rights of others, especially those who reside in the afflicted neighborhood.

Congratulations, BikeLaneMonitorBoy and choose wisely!




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This is what it is going to come down to when motorists repeatedly and unceasingly scoff and trample on the rights of others, especially those who reside in the afflicted neighborhood.
OMG, you're such a drama queen. You deserve an award.
 
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Motorists have been sending a "F*ck You, We Don't Care" middle finger to residents of the High Park neighborhood and High Park users for decades:

That is the message motorists have been sending to the community with their behavior all along, anyway. From what I’ve read, across North America and across Toronto, speed enforcement cameras, accompanied by signs that display the speed of cars approaching them, are among the most effective ways of getting drivers to slow down. But not on Parkside Drive.

On Parkside Drive, people just keep on speeding, and keep on getting tickets, and then go on speeding again. Most of Toronto’s traffic cameras get shifted around from location to location every few months — like traffic-calming superheroes, they do their job and then move on to help people somewhere else. But the one on Parkside has been there continuously since 2021, specifically because drivers there are not getting the message and slowing down. That location has issued more tickets than any other in the city — more than 63,000 — and raised almost $7 million in revenue.

To be clear, from the city’s perspective, and the neighborhood’s, this is bad news. The job of the camera isn’t to raise cash. It’s to dissuade people from speeding. And it has not been doing that.

That stretch of street represents a particular problem in Toronto’s traffic network in trying to balance the goals of moving vehicles quickly and keeping people safe. It is a residential street, with houses lining one side of the road, and it has a lot of pedestrian traffic because High Park is on the other side of the road. But it is also the main route up from Lake Shore and the Gardiner for people in the vast stretch of central-west Toronto. People are using it as a thoroughfare to get to and from much higher-speed, higher-capacity roads.

The result is lots of collisions over the years. In the past decade, there have been almost 1,500 on that tiny two-kilometre stretch of road; 21 pedestrians and 30 cyclists were hit in that time. The camera was installed after two seniors in a car were killed there in 2021. It was meant to send a message: slow down.

Motorists haven’t been accepting that message. Instead, at least one of them is using vandalism to send their own message.

In response, it may be time for the city to speed up implementing alternative safety measures. Bike lanes and other design changes to the road designed to slow traffic are already in the works, and they can’t come fast enough if they’ll actually force people to drive slower. Sometimes it takes a sign to tell people how fast to go. Sometimes fines are needed to do that job. But if those don’t work, making it physically harder to go fast can be even more effective.

And, incidentally, much harder for a vandal to undo.


C'mon, bike lane monitor, keep on keeping on defending virtuous, law abiding, good neighbor motorists as u always do!
10 years = 3650 day
1500 collisions / 3650 days = 0.41 collisions per day or 2 every 5 days. More nonsense from Anbarandy.
 

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10 years = 3650 day
1500 collisions / 3650 days = 0.41 collisions per day or 2 every 5 days. More nonsense from Anbarandy.
Hahahahaha.

It's only a 2km stretch of residential road.

Doubt there are any other 2km stretches of residential urban roads in North America that have endured 3 motor vehicle collisions every week for 520 consecutive weeks and counting!

As I said, stop embarrassing yourself.
 
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